http://pjpettigrew.livejournal.com/ ([identity profile] pjpettigrew.livejournal.com) wrote in [community profile] ways_back_room2004-07-20 09:28 pm

Analyses of Crowley

As per my promise to [livejournal.com profile] copingoggles, an analysis of Crowley--well, three analyses, but there isn't enough room for all of them in one post. Here's the first one.

[livejournal.com profile] daegaer: Actually, I have a theory that Crowley isn't as fallen as he thinks. This ties in to my reading of Adam as not the anti-Christ at all.

I would agree with Daegaer. Crowley has several defining moments, above and beyond his conversion, that indicate that he isn't nearly as damned as he thinks.

We know from the beginning that Crowley is anything but enthusiastic about the end of the world, and that, once he delivers the infant Antichrist to the hospital to be switched, he immediately contacts Aziraphale. Even so, this could be passed off as cowardice and fear of Hell on the one hand and a desire for company on the other. (After all, Aziraphale is the only other permanent field agent of a supernatural realm on Earth, though there appear to be a fair number of temporary agents.)

The first less-than-hopelessly-damned moment occurs at St. James Park when he and Aziraphale are feeding the ducks. Crowley, out of mischief, makes one of the ducks sink. Aziraphale reproves him:

"Really, my dear," he murmured.

"Sorry," said Crowley. "I was forgetting myself." The duck bobbed angrily to the surface.


This is the first indication we have that Crowley can choose, deliberately, NOT to do evil. Choosing, moreover, not to do evil at the instigation of an angel. Finally, choosing to apologize to that angel for doing something wrong in the first place. And Crowley doesn't even seem conscious that he is doing anything even vaguely un-demonic.

On the heels of that follows Crowley's first spoken avowal of commitment to the mortal world. Aziraphale tells him that "his people" are very keen on the idea of Armageddon: "Flaming swords, the Four Horsemen, seas of blood, the whole tedious business." He shrugged.

And what does Crowley say? "I like the seas as they are."

It's easy to miss that kind of statement, for it's tossed off so casually. It's particularly easy to miss because we've already learned that Crowley likes humans.

But Crowley's liking for humans could have been interpreted as being ambiguous; there is evil in human nature, as well as good. And yet note what Crowley is saying; he likes the seas as they are. That is, as they were created. He's actually praising part of God's creation--something completely unthinkable for a demon. Granted, he doesn't go so far as to praise God in the process, but that one sentence says so much about how far his loyalties have been compromised that I honestly expected infernal fire to appear after that remark.

It's also Crowley's idea to try to interfere with Armageddon. Aziraphale doesn't like the idea, but initially, at any rate, he considers going along with it. Crowley is at the top of his form here, debating, convincing, persuading and otherwise tempting Aziraphale...and yet what is he tempting Aziraphale to do? To thwart a diabolic plan. To do the right thing. (Aziraphale doesn't mind being convinced that much, either.)

The third defining moment comes post-conversion, as he is driving in his Bentley and loathing himself deeply for his part in helping to bring about Armageddon. He knows that the world is about to end. He knows there is no hope for him, whether Heaven wins or Hell does. The only light at the end of the tunnel, as he puts it, is an onrushing train.

And Crowley--demon and resident of a realm where it is always Too Late--refuses to accept it. He tries for a long shot to save the world. Not himself--he's in Hell's bad books, and he knows what that means. But he's not thinking about saving himself. He's trying to save mortals.

As far as I remember, doing good when there is no hope of reward, simply because it's the right thing to do, ranks VERY high morally.

And finally--after Adam flat-out refuses to end the world and Lucifer gets rather shirty about his son's refusal--Aziraphale asks Crowley to fight Lucifer by Aziraphale's side. Crowley, after a bit of an argument, agrees. Only the interference of Adam prevents Aziraphale and Crowley from death and destruction in a hopeless, if noble, battle. It's a parallel, if Crowley would bother to think about it, of the War in Heaven at the beginning of time. The end of the world has just been averted...and here's Crowley, marching to battle against the Devil on the side of the angels.

(It's also interesting that, while Aziraphale arms himself with his flaming sword--an angelic weapon--Crowley arms himself with a tire iron from his beloved Bentley. Symbolically, the weapons of angels and men against ultimate evil.)

Crowley doesn't seem to realize at the end of the book just how many important choices he has made in favor of goodness, though he is definitely thinking about the ineffable plan and its meaning. You might say that he is "sauntering vaguely upward." But he can't saunter back into Heaven; he would have to recognize what he was doing, and the choices he had already made. It would have to be a conscious and deliberate choice without any reservations. And Crowley isn't ready to make that kind of commitment yet.

The potential is there, though.

And I'm sure that Aziraphale would pray for his friend...and keep his fingers crossed as well.
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Re: Analysis 3: Crowley--Avoiding Demonhood, Seeking Humanity

[personal profile] aj_crawley 2004-07-20 06:44 pm (UTC)(link)
*lost for words to express love and adoration OH MY GOD LIEK WO*

*forever indebted*

Ask anything of me, and it is yours. Anything.
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[personal profile] locks_it_up 2004-07-20 06:50 pm (UTC)(link)
*gapes*
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Re: Analysis 3: Crowley--Avoiding Demonhood, Seeking Humanity

[personal profile] aj_crawley 2004-07-20 06:54 pm (UTC)(link)
Back again, more blubbering necessary.

It's...

It's like Christmas has come early.

Re: Analysis 3: Crowley--Avoiding Demonhood, Seeking Humanity

[identity profile] a-fell.livejournal.com 2004-07-20 06:57 pm (UTC)(link)
I have no words for how amazingly perceptive and on-the-ball this seems to me. Your character analyses go far beyond anything I've read in the same vein, and fascinate me with how accurate they seem. It's like opening a window into the writers' heads... only not, because although they knew the character and understood his motives I don't know that they'd have thought in the same terms. They knew him the way that someone knows themself- you seem to understand him as a psychologist, almost- from the outside.

I'm rambling. Again. I'm going to have to come in at a normal time of day at some point, merely so people know that I don't always talk rubbish. Just...

*awe*

Thanks for that. *g*

[identity profile] lord-of-dreams.livejournal.com 2004-07-20 06:59 pm (UTC)(link)
*seconds the gapeing*
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Re: Analysis 3: Crowley--Avoiding Demonhood, Seeking Humanity

[personal profile] aj_crawley 2004-07-20 07:05 pm (UTC)(link)
...what she said.

[identity profile] gypsyjr.livejournal.com 2004-07-20 07:29 pm (UTC)(link)
Dude...

I'm in the middle of explaining character backstory over at the bar, but still - *worships*

[identity profile] the-woodpecker.livejournal.com 2004-07-20 09:05 pm (UTC)(link)
This is excellent. Wonderful close reading. :-*

[identity profile] bloodandsouls.livejournal.com 2004-07-21 12:50 am (UTC)(link)
Liek woa.

Excellent analysis! Thanks for sharing.

*worships*
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Re: Analysis 2: Why Crowley Can't Apologise

[personal profile] veryvorkosigan 2004-07-21 10:10 am (UTC)(link)
Nice tight analysis. Well done.

Did Crowley fight on the wrong side? I'd got the impression that he'd sort of avoided the battle entirely. (Not sure where I got that impression, though. I need to reread Good Omens. *adds it to the list*)

While I'm not sure I agree with your assessment of how forgiveness can't wipe out sin -- after all, that's kinda how Divine forgiveness is supposed to work -- I will buy in a second that Crowley believes forgiveness doesn't work that way. Believes on an emotional level, that is. Even if he's told that Divine forgiveness will wash away his sins completely, he won't really believe it possible. He'll still know what he did.

And the idea that Crowley thinks God is the one who should apologize is spot-on. Which is another thing that Aziraphale, being unFallen, will never quite understand.
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[personal profile] true_desire 2004-07-24 10:21 am (UTC)(link)
*thirds it, not having seen this 'til now*

O_O