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Um, I am overwhelmingly disinterested in getting involved in any kind of war or wank, and will retreat immediately if this starts to smack of that, but I did want to point out that Crowley's mun is not a "more popular character," but is, in fact, one of the mods of the community, and thus does have the right to exercise mod powers. Even if you believe her issues to be unfair, you agreed to respect her authority when you joined this community and thus must address them.

That's all.

It's not crowley, it's 'door'.

I should elaborate: Door-mun wanted to bring in Destruction, and crowly-mun approved it. THEN someone bothered to mention ANYTHING to me, THEN was all surprised when I didnt go along, THEN told me I couldn't do what i wanted w/my character.

Door-mun pinged me, pointed out that a) your character was not, in fact, a real one, and that b) it wasn't the original Destruction, and as such, could she play that one? 'Righto, fair enough,' thinks I, and approve her, deciding to let the OC bit slide, so as not to cause a fuss. Then you decide to underhandedly change your character without a legitimate second application. I fail to see where anybody else is at fault.

horseshit. Where is the courtesy of mentioning it to me before the fact?

'Righto', thinks you. ACTUALLY: 'My buddy could do this better than this dumbass, but I don't have the stones to actually say that. Instead I'll do some 101010101 assassination, and tweak things a bit, because I can. And if the other poor sod has a thing to say about it, I'll just throw up my virtual hands and RP that it's not actually in my control. Meanwhile, the joik will flee, leaving me and my mates to continue however the fuck we please. It's his/her fault for coming here in the first place.'
And, because explanations are tedious, I'll just delete the offending posts."

The points:
1. COWARDLY done. You RP honor cos you have none.
2. Who's next. Everyone is Shylock, now, unless you're Under The Wing.

You know, I wasn't going to rise to this, but you are acquitting yourself gravely poorly, sir or madam, and you are attacking because you backed yourself into a corner. We are all writers, here. Some of my co-players are damn brilliant writers. We all have OC's we could bring in and might love to bring in, given a change in the rules. If we were allowed it, the bar would change.

And 'Everyone is Shylock'? Oh, wah. Please, just wah. If you prick me, do I not get damn annoyed? If you poison my game, does my enthusiasm for it not die?

Please quit it.

You're right. and with no sarcasm. You are absolutely right.

I bow to the mod.

Game on, macDuff!

Now I want a button that says "I'm Not Shylock."

This is possibly because it's quarter to two in the morning.

*seconds meekly*

Also, *is indignant on behalf of Shylock, and not sure how he got dragged into this, as he's not really terribly relevant to the situation at hand*.

Please. I love this game. If someone came to me and told me people were having issues with my character (and I admit freely that I've taken some liberties with interpreting character & canon) I would be glad to address those issues because I love the game, and would never want others to be uncomfortable with my presence. It's not about adhering to others' opinions; it's about respecting them as fellow players.

That's really all I have to say.

EXACTLY MY POINT. No one fucking said a fucking thing until the locks had been changed. I was never even given the chance to address it.

That statement seems somewhat inconsistent with the link you posted above. But you know what? I wasn't involved, and I don't have all the information, so I am now bowing out.

*is also mildly indignant on Shylock's behalf, though not with much vehemence, as by now he must be used to getting dragged into any discussion on persecution*

I prefer to remain a wanka as opposed to a wanker. I dislike getting splashed with spooge. It makes me unhappy. Therefore, I am limiting myself to this comment only. Unless I inadvertently state something incorrectly in this, and need to correct myself, I will not make another comment to this thread. I would rather spend my time RPing, than sifting through mountains of wank in my inbox.

I've been privy to the various communications concerning this, and I have to say that your timeline isn't exactly accurate. This is how it went, as I understand it:

- In an IM conversation earlier today, Door-mun and I were discussing my own incoming Endless character, and the effects the characters were having on the game. Somehow from there, the topic arose that the current Destruction was not in fact the one from canon, but was intended to be an "apprentice" of sorts to the true Destruction. Door-mun mentioned that she thought it would be fun to bring in the original Destruction, to see the interactions between master and apprentice. I agreed that it would be interesting to see, and encouraged her to check about the feasibility.

- Door-mun emailed Aziraphale-mun to inquire about modly restrictions governing such matters. Aziraphale-mun replied that there was no restriction against the concept, as the two Destruction were of different backgrounds, comparable to Daniel and Morpheus as respective Dreams. She said, however, that the idea needed to be run by you to make sure that there wouldn't be friction, before the character could be approved.

- Door-mun posted to the Back Room, asking you to IM or email her when you had the chance, so she could run this idea by you. The two of you spoke, and your original response to her was, as I recall, "Please do." She believed this meant you were expressing agreement with her idea.

- Because she believed she had your stamp of approval, she submitted an app for the canonical Destruction to the mods, and was approved.

- She continued to speak to you over IM regarding how to best to introduce the character, and how your characters could interact and mesh together. At this point, it became clear to her that there was confusion regarding your initial consent.

- This was confirmed when you made your post to the main community making your Destruction not the apprentice any longer, but the canonical Destruction resuming the reins of his position from the younger version.

- Door-mun contacted the mods at this point, asking them how she should proceed, given that her character had been approved previously, but was now ostensibly being absorbed by your own. She did NOT do it maliciously. It was a legitimate question, as it affected gameplay.

- Crowley-mun commented in a modly capacity to your post on the main community, trying to work out the snafu.

- You offered to redo your character as the canonical Destruction. This would have been fine under the game rules, if you had submitted under a different journal (as the existing one was for the apprentice Destruction). Unfortunately, however, Door-mun had already had an application approved for the canonical Destruction. If anyone is going to play that character as opposed to the apprentice, she does have first dibs. It's not malicious. It's just the rules.

- And here we are.

No one was trying to usurp your position. A fan of the series simply saw an opportunity for interesting RP, and when she attempted to follow up on it, major misunderstandings ensued. That's all. We're all just here to have fun and explore our characters.

I've said my piece. I just thought it was unfortunate that a series of misunderstandings could cause such rancor in what is normally a very easy-going and friendly game, and wanted to try to set the record straight. I hope this can just get sorted out, and we can all get back to playing and enjoying ourselves. Really, that's what Milliways is all about.

my original response of 'please do' was to hearing what she had to say. i was, believe it or not, being polite.

I was unable to respond to her post asking me to contact her in a timely manner b/c i was involved in RL.

I applied as DESTRUCTION. My plans for the game were of THAT OFFICE. The temporary, younger Destruction was part of the deal. Had ANYONE, anyone asked, or approached me on the matter, i could GLADLY have mentioned it, and, as such, nothing further would have happened.

No. One. Fucking. Asked. Me.

It was
door: ooh, i wanna be destruction
me: well, no
door : but you're not the REAL destruction.
me: (advances plotline, dammit) There we go.
door: oh, boo. i'm gonna tell. i wanna be destruction, and my friend already said i could cos you didnt do it right!
me: do what right? Destruction. YOU said yourself: Its an office.

in the meantime, it's ALREADY IN THE WORKS, IT HAD ALREADY BEEN APPROVED and I'm fucking gobsmacked that anyone has the eggs to ask why i'm perturbed!

wait, let's do it like this:

me: i'm eating an omlette for breakfast tomorrow.
that night, door sells the eggs to buy poprocks
morning. NO EGGS?
me: where are the eggs?
door: i used them
me: but i was going to eat an omlette!
door: you didnt say you were soing to eat eggs

see? semantics.

but it's moot. She wins, and i know i can't. That's the way it is when you play in someone else's yard.

o m e l e t t e

And one wonders, idly, what your in-game reception will be after this. I've never had cause or occasion to RP with you, but many of these people did, and you struck out crankily at a mutual friend. That amounts to stealing the whole box of popsicles while you're a guest in aforementioned yard.

I wish you luck.
But I didn't say I was going to wish you a certain kind of luck.

Signed,
Selkie
Quite Possibly Immature, But Will Stand Up When Goaded

"When three separate people tell you you're drunk..."

All right, all right, I'll go lie down. ;)

No, silly, not you.

Or, well, not OOC anyway.

I agree with Hob-mun, I am here to play a game, not get caught in a backwash of spooge, but may I ask why it is so important to you, why you must absolutely and unbendingly stick to these guns? We're all here for the same reason you are -- to get our geek on, to have fun, to play -- and this seems too much like work.

Yeah, really. Seems to me we get enough angst in the front room without adding RPer-drama.

Stick to my guns? Because it's my character! Wouldn't you? Besides, the point is more the Nepotism, than the character.

...it's a game. If the mod asked me to bow from the game, I would do so. It's called at-will participation. Yes, I do enjoy my character greatly. But if she started acting like, say, the Little Mermaid, she wouldn't be Kassandra anymore, and Kassandra is whom I applied to play. So it's about fitting in with the rules. The comm does have rules.

And as far as nepotism, Door-mun didn't know Crowley-mun from a hole in a tree when this all started. Any more than I did. So, um. Two weeks of nepotism.... not so much.

look, I'm kinda new here and all, but it looks pretty straightforward to me. You've got an OC, which you oughtn't to have here but they're making an exception for you, and now someone else wants to play the canon character from your OC's source fandom, and the problem seems to be that you want to change your OC into that same canon character.

Friend of mine has something he likes to say in situations like this:
"When three separate people tell you you're drunk, go lie down."

It's not a/b the OC. Its about HOW it was done.

"How" being that they didn't consult you first? Or what?

yes. it's just 'that's not your character. and now my pal's gonna play it. you can stay, tho.'
Shitty.

i know i cant win tho. so fuck it.

...please stop.

...'kay.

Not you.

All of you Endless-types are the same to meeeeeeeeeee...

Already Did. Neener.

And frankly, I don't mind being told to butt out by an actual player.

But.

While I can understand the confusion, I think I can see exactly where it comes from-- Destruction as an office, as opposed to a character.

The way Milliways is set up... I'm sorry, but you appear to be in the wrong here.

I've read the rules and considered applying myself, so I shouldn't be too off base here, but here's what I understand, using Death as an example.

You can apply to be Death. There can be a whole hell of a lot of Deaths, too-- Greek Thanatos, Endless-Death, Discworld-Death, Good Omens-Death, Bill and Ted's Bogus Journey-Death, Buffy's Der Kindestaad, even Discworld's Mort or Susan Sto Helit. Anyone, essentially, who has filled the office of The Grim Reaper.

You can't apply with one journal and play every Death, saying that since you applied first as Death, you've got the market cornered.

You applied for Destruction, the office. There must have been some confusion, because someone would have corrected you-- you can't play an office. Just a character who has held that office.

It's in the rules-- if it's not explicit, it's implied by the fact that variations are accepted but not duplications.

Feel free to tell me to go to hell now, if you like.

Nice points, Total Outsider ;) Glad to have you with us.

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