http://garcon-dor.livejournal.com/ ([identity profile] garcon-dor.livejournal.com) wrote in [community profile] ways_back_room2004-09-21 09:02 pm

notes!

Right, for those who are wondering about our incredibly synchronised entrance and incredibly bizarre take on Mordred and Galahad... *coughs*



There are, obviously, a million and one versions of the Arthurian legends. We’re not taking these particular characters directly from any of them, just taking the basic identities and building up our own fictional personalities. With added backstory, so we had something to do on our first night. NB – don’t mind us merrily being angsty and narrative-full in the middle of the bar. We’re just finding our feet and sorting out continuity issues. Once we’re done, the characters will be free to interact with anyone else who wants to play with them.

Backstory, the short version – the two had a twisted, possessive and frequently abusive (on Mordred’s side) relationship when alive, and Mordred died in battle a day or so after telling Galahad that he loved him. Hardly being the virtuous sort, he haunted the earth for the next one and a half millennia. He found Milliways by accident.

Galahad, however, committed passive suicide after he heard the news of Mordred’s death, and went straight to Milliways. Due to the handy-dandy warped time continuum, they arrived at almost the same time.

Character notes:

Galahad is unbalanced, to put it mildly. Issues a mile high about the fact that his mother died and his father didn’t want him at court. An incredibly low sense of self-worth that manifested itself in the violent relationship with Mordred.

He’s quiet and polite around most people, though it takes a bit of effort to get him talking. If you mention books, though, he’ll probably like you immediately. If he has to, he can fight. He’s very, very good at it, but he doesn’t do it too often (and at the moment he hasn’t got a sword, so he’s not much use anyway...)

Mordred is pretty much as he has been described in most of the more historical canons: soft-spoken, charming, and manipulative, with a deep running resentment against his father. He isn’t actively ‘evil’, being more amoral then immoral, but he is ruthless and can be very nasty to those he dislikes.

He holds most people at arms-length, treating them almost with bemusement. Despite this, he is usually fairly charming and likeable. Unless someone flirts with or hurts Galahad; then he tends to snap. He is also quite bitter about the fact that he wasn’t allowed to sleep in Avalon, and had to wander the earth for so long.

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Questions or screams of "WHAT HAVE YOU DONE TO THE ARTHURIAN LEGENDS YOU PERVERTED LITTLE GIRLS" can be directed at us :)

(By the by, I've seen Elaine around - Elaine-mun, how do you want to play this? Galahad probably wouldn't be too pleased to find his dead mother wandering around as her younger self. But it could be interesting. Up to you!)

[identity profile] ulfin-kingsman.livejournal.com 2004-09-21 04:26 am (UTC)(link)
*bounce*

Okay - my character Ulfin (as logged in here) is a supporting character from Mary Stewart's set of Arthurian novels. I've only read the Merlin trilogy so far because Amazon is being a bastard and refusing to let me have the Mordred book, but I will get it someday.

The last time he appears in the Merlin trilogy, Mordred is approximately fifteen/sixteen and has just been brought to court with his half-brothers. There was a whole plotline about some scheme his mother Morgause was involved in, which resulted in her being disgraced and basically put under house arrest at Camelot, while her sons - including Mordred - are taken into Arthur's care to be trained as knights.

Ulfin is Arthur's steward, and servant to Uther Pendragon before that. He was one of the group who went with Uther to Tintagel the night Arthur was conceived, and he was also conveniently with Merlin in Lot's city (Lot being Mordred's... well, stepfather, I suppose. Morgause's husband) the night Lot came home in a blazing temper, having heard the rumors that "his" son was in fact Arthur's, and had every baby of a certain age in the town killed.

Ulfin was not entirely innocent in this. Thinking he was carrying out Arthur's wishes, he deliberately misled Merlin as to which way the soldiers had taken the babies, in order to try and ensure that Mordred would die among them. Of course, Morgause being who she is, Mordred was never among the babies at all. It's up to you how much Morgause knew about Ulfin's part in it (she had magic, which in the book means the Sight and some other power) and how much she told Mordred.

And also, Ulfin is loyal to Arthur to the death, but will give Mordred the respect owed by a commoner to a prince of the blood. Whatever his personal feelings on the matter may be, that stands.

[identity profile] maydaybrat.livejournal.com 2004-09-21 04:35 am (UTC)(link)
Ah, so your cannon is going with Morgause being Mordred's mother, and giving the blame to Lot for the May Day massucare...*back-peddles in mind*

I can work with this, though.

[identity profile] ulfin-kingsman.livejournal.com 2004-09-21 04:40 am (UTC)(link)
Yep. :) Oh, and one other detail from canon - the way she kept Mordred safe from Lot killing him personally was to switch him with a baby in the town (who just happened to be Lot's illegitimate child). Lot killed that baby, thinking it was Mordred, and Morgause or one of her agents murdered its mother (there's a heavy implication in the book that it was in large part out of jealousy) and took baby Mordred to safety.

[identity profile] maydaybrat.livejournal.com 2004-09-21 04:43 am (UTC)(link)
*rubs head* I'm curious now, might have to read these books if I can find them.

Well, this Mordred is 19, so three or so years on from when Ulfin's cannon is, and the battle of Camlann has been and gone. We could fit Galahad in, cause he wouldn't have come to court until Mordred was at least eighteen or so.

[identity profile] ulfin-kingsman.livejournal.com 2004-09-21 04:48 am (UTC)(link)
The battle of Camlann is the one where Arthur and Mordred die/kill each other, right?

That works - um, except one small problem - there's a Lancelot figure (right down to the forbidden love with Guinevere) in Ulfin's canon, but his name isn't Lancelot, it's Bedwyr as per the older versions of the story. Might still be able to work around it, though - have your Galahad as the son of Bedwyr (ICly using a different name, if necessary) and Elaine...

[identity profile] maydaybrat.livejournal.com 2004-09-21 04:53 am (UTC)(link)
Indeed it is. Somewhere in Cornwall, I think.

Bedwyr was turned into Bedivere, and Mordred's relationship with Guinevere was moved to Lancelot...*coughs* Don't mind me, did far too much research a couple months back and it's all stuck.

[identity profile] spectral-skin.livejournal.com 2004-09-21 05:17 am (UTC)(link)
Heh, yeah. The story changed a hell of a lot over the centuries. So Milliways!Galahad is still the son of Lancelot/Bedwyr and Elaine, right?

[identity profile] spectral-skin.livejournal.com 2004-09-21 05:30 am (UTC)(link)
Okay. *thinks* In Ulfin's canon, Mordred was conceived when Arthur was fourteen, as he lost his virginity to a conniving Morgause. He married a girl called Guenever (not the Guinevere of the legends) not more than a year later, but she died in childbirth along with the child, and after a suitable period of mourning, he married another woman with a similar name, and the rest is more or less faithful to the legends.

Guinevere-the-second and Bedwyr are in love after a certain point of the books, Merlin and Arthur both know about this, but neither of them has betrayed the king in any real way, so Merlin and Arthur are pretending it's not happening for everybody's sake. Could easily have it that Bedwyr left court in order to avoid the temptation, which is when the Elaine story takes place.

Or, you know, we could say Mordred looks like the one Ulfin knows, but comes from a slightly different world. ;)

[identity profile] maydaybrat.livejournal.com 2004-09-21 05:32 am (UTC)(link)
We could do that. And I would love you for ever because now we are getting to the stage where the cannons are utterly different- this Galahad is older then Mordred by about two years.

[identity profile] spectral-skin.livejournal.com 2004-09-21 05:36 am (UTC)(link)
It would make things a whole lot simpler all round than trying to make conflicting canons fit together. Let's do that, then. :)

[identity profile] maydaybrat.livejournal.com 2004-09-21 05:38 am (UTC)(link)
Excellent! *grins* Now I can have Mordred looking all confused at Ulfin.

[identity profile] spectral-skin.livejournal.com 2004-09-21 05:40 am (UTC)(link)
Hee, sounds like fun!

[identity profile] maydaybrat.livejournal.com 2004-09-21 04:44 am (UTC)(link)
I forgot to put this into my section of the notes, but Mordred has inherited some of the Sight from his mother.

[identity profile] maid-of-astolat.livejournal.com 2004-09-21 12:50 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm so sorry, but that's the wrong Elaine. I'm Elaine, the girl who floats down to Camelot in a barge after she's dead for love of Lancelot after he rejects her. "The Fair Maid of Astolat".

Galahad's Mum is the Lady Elaine from "Lancelot and Elaine".

Meh, couldn't Malory come up with different names? ;-)

[identity profile] sign-seeker.livejournal.com 2004-09-21 11:40 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't know if you know Susan Cooper's The Dark Is Rising, but it's a series set mostly in 1970s England which borrows very heavily from Arthurian legend and Celtic myth.

Will's mentor/comrade, Merriman Lyon, was once Merlion -- aka Merlin. (He, like Will, is immortal and ageless -- there are some more details on that in my userinfo.) Arthur is, in this universe, a lord of the High Magic, and a Very Good Guy. Will's best friend, a boy named Bran, is the Pendragon -- Arthur and Guinevere's son, brought forward through time by Merriman's arts and raised without knowing his heritage. He gained awareness and power later, and in a way Will is Bran's Merlin. Bran later renounced his heritage and his memory of it, in order to stay in this world as a human rather than travelling beyond it with Arthur, but Will still remembers.

I'm assuming, of course, that Will's universe is different from Mordred's. Nevertheless, he's not going to react very well to hearing the name "Mordred Pendragon." :)

[identity profile] sign-seeker.livejournal.com 2004-09-22 02:03 am (UTC)(link)
Dooo it. *grin*

Oh, and by the way, Will's freak-out (http://www.livejournal.com/community/milliways_bar/912279.html?thread=32044951#t32076695) over Mordred has happened. Or begun. Either one.

[identity profile] sign-seeker.livejournal.com 2004-09-22 01:19 pm (UTC)(link)
*grin* That sounds quite promising. Will will like Galahad a lot, probably.