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[muji]

Before I get sucked into work, a poll. Please vote with your character journals so we know which fandom you're talking about when you answer:

[Poll #1342058]

And a sidenote for all you Kiefer Sutherland fans out there: anyone else spot him in the Honeyhoney music video for 'Little Toy Gun'? Hee.

Comments

[betagainstme]

I say no with Alice based on the probability she wouldn't care. She still gets to be a vampire who tells the future and have an awesome family and husband. She's down. :P

[muji]

Most of my characters who I say no about are more or less this same reasoning too.

(God do I owe you a tag or what. xD)

[slayer_fray]

Fray is in first person format from Mel's PoV, and it's very intimate in terms of her desires, fears, and parts of herself she doesn't want people to see. It's like than reading her diary, except she doesn't keep a diary so doesn't even have the excuse that she ever put these feelings out there.

[campkilkare]

Susannah is pre-punctured by canon, but she loathes meeting people who have read the books for the same reason; I have no ground to stand on to object, if someone wants their character to have read Dark Tower, but I don't recommend it to anyone as a way to make friends!

[raptorcanaria]

Dinah knows that there are Batman movies (she's seen one) which is a bit like being canon punctured, and it's kind of impossible to assume that she'd never find out about the iconic role the DC universe plays in so many other universes.

HOWEVER, I don't particularly want her to know the kind of things she's going to go through in terms of Ollie, Seattle &c, so I'd rather she was never punctured for her comics specifically (similarly, I don't want her future-punctured in detail by the relevant characters in bar).

If Black Canary comics ever come up, I'll probably put in a request that the conversation sticks to Dinah Drake Lance.

[bluespells.livejournal.com]

Mm, Billy's already kind of teetering on the edge of figuring it out himself; at least, he has theories. There are Marvel comics in Ray and Metis's universes but not actual superheroes, some of the people here are fictional to him, it's not a big leap. However he's mostly ignoring and/or keeping quiet about that out of respect to the other Marvel-muns. ;D

And I would certainly never want anyone to know ZOMG EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENS TO HIM IN THE FUTURE to walk up and explain it. That would be irritating.

Steve? That would not even be a blip on Steve's weird radar.

[navyafterone]

Ahaha I imagine someone handing Steve a Captain America comic and him just staring at them like "yeah, and? What is your point?"

[sdelmonte]

I just can't see Kirk being canon-punctured. I am not sure why other than that he has had the least experience with meeting people whose canons he knows.

Knox has been sort of punctured. Charlie would probably ask some questions, ponder its meaning, and move on. And Gibbs wouldn't understand it at all.

[gorgonfondness]

I put down no for Mia. Her husband's already canon punctured and it doesn't seem like such a big deal to him, so why should it be a big deal to her?

[alt-hulk.livejournal.com]

I put down for Teddy: "As long as it would be handled in a graceful manner... then again, Teddy already knows he's in comic books and has his own fandom w/in his world... it's something he and Billy talk about a lot." But while I wouldn't mind, I would prefer it didn't happen, really. He already has a boyfriend that can change reality. We really don't need more of this.

As for Barney... yes. PLEASE, NO. It would break his little heart.

Oh, and then he would also find a way into a universe so he could help Gordon take Marc Laidlaw and the rest of the VALVe crew hostage. And to find out that even his face was taken from someone else and not original... ._. BARNEY STOP MAKING THAT FACE YOU'RE GETTING A PUPPY OKAY. THANK YOU.

As for the rest of my pups... they'd be a no, too. Definitely. Except for maybe the G-man, who'd probably already know. BUT IT DOESN'T MATTER BECAUSE NOW HE CAN WATCH YOU. FROM BEHIND THAT CORNER. YES.

[doihearawaltz.livejournal.com]

Except for maybe the G-man, who'd probably already know. BUT IT DOESN'T MATTER BECAUSE NOW HE CAN WATCH YOU. FROM BEHIND THAT CORNER. YES.

*shrieks*

[jack_inthegreen]

Jack knows he's a story anyway, so it wouldn't matter.

[ever_lovin]

Ben's been to so many different realities, other dimensions and odd time lines, that he wouldn't be too fazed to have some one tell him he is just a fictional character. He would just smile and nod.

Plus as I mentioned before, there is a Fantastic Four comic in his universe and those morons at Marvel keep getting the stories wrong. And they don't do Ben justice when they draw his pretty blues.

He told me to say that. Stop looking at me like that Ben.

I don't have the bandwidth for my other pups this morning.

[candied-rabbit.livejournal.com]

...No for all of mine, actually.

It'd creep Momiji out way too much. A big part of his canon is already sort of focused on him and the other Cursed having a very questionable sense of free will, to begin with, so someone telling him that there's some Japanese lady plotting out all the details of his life? Would not provoke a good reaction.

Ditto for Yuki, and, for different reasons, for Dahlia - she doesn't have their free will issues, but it would definitely make her feel violated.

I'm not entirely sure how Gilbert would react. Part of me thinks that, since it's not on his list of the five or six things he cares about, he wouldn't give a damn. But, either way, it wouldn't be the sort of thing I'd want him to go through.

Really, though, none of my characters come from big enough fandoms that it would even make sense for many other pups to be aware of their canons, to begin with, so it's sort of a tangential question for me.

[evil_koala_626]

While there have been times where I've toyed with the idea, ultimately I'd have to say no thank you as far as Stitch is concerned. I mean, at first, he's probably think the idea that he was "famous" was pretty awesome. And it's not like this strange alternate universe in which the movie exists is the REAL universe. But once he saw it? Um. Similarly to Mel, there are private things depicted in canon that Stitch would likely never talk about. I can't imagine he would be pleased with the knowledge that an entire world of strangers has access to said private things.



Cerberus on the other hand has already been canon punctured. Sort of. He knows people have heard of him, he just doesn't know the context in which he appears.

[navyafterone]

Wes is already canon-punctured for the movies and finds it kinda hilarious. He would be equally amused if he ever read Allston's books (although this would take him a really long time in English and he'd probably get bored).

Ben, however, I would rather he never found out about the movies. But, it's canon that there are bad holofilm versions of his family's adventures (even before Shadows of Mindor made it a plot point), so if anyone recognised his name, he'd put it down to that. And wouldn't think too hard about how someone from Earth saw a holo from his galaxy because, hey, Milliways.

I voted "yes" for James, buuut am sort of waver-y. On one hand, it would sort of negate the whole TOP SECRET aspect of CHERUB, but I'm not sure he'd care much beyond that? The likelihood is that it'll never come up anyway, of course, lol obscure canon.

[slutbamwalla.livejournal.com]

I think people might be getting the answers confused.

I'm seeing people saying "I voted yes because it doesn't matter" and "I voted no because it would freak him/her out".

Remember that the question reads "Would you oppose...", so voting yes actually means 'I would oppose canon puncture' (i.e., NO canon puncture) and voting no actually means 'I would NOT oppose canon puncture' (i.e., canon puncture is OK).

[mogget_cat]

Yrael knows that canon-puncturing happens, has had it happen to friends (he watched Hannibal read Silence of the Lambs and offered to go with him when Hannibal went to go find Thomas Harris, the author, and give him a a very pointed talking-to), but it hasn't happened to him, yet.

He actually has come up with an IC theory about why it happens, too. He's heard about different stories (not... canons, but stories) that cross over into different worlds. Just as an example, he knows of at least four worlds (and not just different versions of earth) that have legends of King Arthur. Different legends, but all with the same themes.

He has come to the conclusion that worlds bleed into each other through stories. It isn't that the people in the stories are fictional, that their world doesn't really exist, it's that their stories, their people (the characters), were strong enough to let their world touch another and be represented in that world through the story, the 'canon' as we would say. The books/movies/video games/shows are not the hard-fact objective view of what actually happened, but are representations of what happened. Like a story told of true events, just... events that happened in a different world.

I don't have any plans on canon-puncturing Yrael. The Old Kingdom canon isn't well-known enough for it to be likely that another patron would know of it or him. But really, it wouldn't bother him too much if he were. He would actually be kind of pleased to find that he had a part in it, just glad that he got mentioned.

It's a side effect of having an ego and having been forgotten by the history books, I suppose.

[mr-v-and-mr-c.livejournal.com]

That first one? Is COOL.

Don't suppose you have a link to that, do you?

[hero_farmboy]

I can't vote, because my answer is different depending on the character. I am not down with Clark being canon punctured. He's aware that other versions of himself exist in other universes, and that's about the only way he's able to deal with knowing what he knows about them. Finding out there are movies/comics/TV shows based on his life is something he's not ready to handle.

The rest? I don't think they'd care. I've had other pups "punctured" in a sense, although it's easy to get around that with mythology/historically based pups.

ETA: Voted yes with Clark. Will vote with other journals momentarily.

[a1enzo]

No for Enzo, because I don't think you could make him think he's genuinely fictional. He already knows several people (the Autobots, Ray Stantz, etc.) who know of other worlds with fictional versions of them. So if anyone told him "hey, there's a cartoon about you in my world," he'd assume it was that and probably be terribly amused. Heck, he's already speculated on the possibility.

[fairytaleknight]

Archibald doesn't think of himself as a character in a story, and I think it would hurt him to find out.

Bran does think of himself as part of the stories on some level, but I think he would be disturbed to know that information on his relationships with his family, his grief for Cafall, etc., is public.

Fakir, on the other hand, knows perfectly well that he's a character inside a story. Canon-puncturing him wouldn't tell him anything he doesn't already know... unless someone makes the mistake of telling him about his future. (DO NOT WANT.)

[minkhollow]

I may vote in a minute, but spelling it out here:

Angel: Not at all! He already knows people think Mark's documentary of the same period of time is fictional; unless told otherwise, he tends to assume people who recognise him know him from that. If told otherwise... well, he could handle it.
Morwen: ...I don't mind as a mun? But she'd be going 'NONE OF THIS NONSENSE PLEASE,' so I'm not sure how I'd vote.
Carl: No. He'd be going 'wtf how did someone GET this story,' but (a) he can admit it's a good story, and (b) he met Valentine Wiggin his first day in, so it's only fair that someone else might recognise him. (Besides, at this point he'd be wondering where Suzi was.)
Larry: ...No. He can admit it's that kind of a story. XD
Cosmo: Yes, while he's pre-canon, since pretty much the entirety of his early appearance is getting arrested. Once I get him post-canon, he'd probably find the whole thing hilarious, but for now I have to object on the grounds of not wanting to deviate from canon. If he had any sort of warning, he'd try to change it.
Cata: ...........I'm gonna say no. Her world acknowledges the existence of other dimensions, she's a very minor character as is, and once she gets the full story she'll certainly see the appeal of sharing it. Might be a different story if Sam ever shows up, but.

[mnt_raph]

I voted "no" because both Mike and Raph have been canon-punctured from year one of Milliways.

Raph didn't handle it well, if memory serves. Nearly killed John Crichton that one time.

[silveraspen]

Moiraine came entirely too near killing (or doing very bad things to) Andrew, as I recall, when she realized what he knew and how he knew it.

It worked out eventually, but at the time, aiee.

[453-died-angry.livejournal.com]

Attila is historical and dead. He knows that he's dead so in response to anything anyone says about him he can say 'ah but you weren't there - you only know what the Romans wrote down and they are all liars'.

Gil would smile politely, nod and agree to being told he's a fictional character because he KNOWS he's real but wants to keep people happy. He'd probably agree if someone told him he was a rutabuga if it kept them sweet.

[moofoot.livejournal.com]

Kiefer being in 'little toy gun' in western gear is the whole reason an older!version of Doc exists. We have a MM storyline and everything. *g*

As for canon puncturing...

Doc knows there are dime novels and nickel books about him - but those are stories about the 'real person'. I don't want him canon punctured, ever.

The same goes for Dan, and Athos (he'd think the idea was ridiculous) and I think...that's it.

I know Han knows there are stories out there but the idea that he *is* a story not so much good. Diego wouldn't understand. I think Bond knows there are different versions. And Uhl I'd rather not either.

Answers here rather than poll since am on crackberry.

[ceitfianna]

I've been thinking about this while I went outside and tried to actually do stuff.

Will was essentially canon punctured fairly early on just because the Robin Hood legend is so common but the way I did it was, he knows people are already telling stories of them in his time so he's rather amazed they're still going.

Demeter is much more aware of how the gods and goddesses are just seen as stories by many in the modern world and it doesn't bother her too much since she knows that there are those who still believe.

Tumnus knows people know about Narnia but that's really about it, canon puncturing would probably be a very bad thing for him.

I honestly have no idea about the Pirate King just because his canon is so weird and almost self aware at points. I think he could manage canon puncture though it would be an incredibly bizarre thread.

[cloakandclaw]

I only answered the poll as Vincent, but I'd say no canon puncturing to all eight of mine (Spike, Gren, Vincent, Reno, Hero, Sun, Howl, and the Marquis). One of the things I've always loved about this place is the no canon-puncturing rule. It's made it possible to actually develop characters and all that good srs stuff and really, they none of mine need to be told they're fictional. I've had characters punctured before and I can almost always think of a good cover story for them in my brain, but really, no. Would much rather not. It kind of defeats the purpose.

[cupenny.livejournal.com]

I'd go with 'yes, I oppose canon-puncturing' for most of mine. (midshipwellard, foxy_l33t, son_of_khans for the most part.)

A couple of them I did try playing- Ariel (Shakespeare) and Odile (Mercedes Lackey's Black Swan), I was fine with non-specific canon puncturing. Shakespeare tends to be common, and I was also fine with people knowing the general story Odile was from, if not the specific take on it.

Making up fake canons is also fun! It would be rather hilarious for char_X to swear that char_y is from suchandsuch movie in his own world...


ETA for clarification

[gone_byebye]

And conversely, it's occasionally fun to eliminate a canon from a given world by simply integrating characters into it as real people. Ray's world's politicians are all fictional unless I find a real-world politician I consider funnier instead- Senator Blutarsky (Animal House), Governor Hundred (Ex Machina), Senator Wright (The Black Condor/House, MD), President Davenport (Doonesbury), Vice President Vinick (The West Wing), Secretary of Defense Keller (Transformers live-action movie).

[loyaltyinmotion.livejournal.com]

I would almost welcome it. It's a good excuse for parts of the book I'd like to ignore, in that it could be construed as wholly Anita's POV.

And no one likes to paint themselves in a bad light!

Though Jason'd go a bit white when he found out what was written in them about him.