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ways_back_room2009-02-04 07:53 am
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The Mists of Avalon substitute edition!
Historical or Legendary pups and their multiple canon!
Many of us are aware that in early history and legendary canon, multiple versions of a tale cropped up, some even contradictory, and modern writers made things even more fun by writing their own interpretations. That does not happen only to specific figures, but also for general concepts of mythological creatures.
There is also the case of minor legendary figures, who receive just enough stage time to be interesting then are pushed away into obscurity.
Now, pair of questions go!
If you play an historical, mythological or legendary pup, why you decided on this incarnation/aspect?
How did your pup(s) react when meeting an unusual 'take' on said historical, mythological or legendary pup(s)?
Historical or Legendary pups and their multiple canon!
Many of us are aware that in early history and legendary canon, multiple versions of a tale cropped up, some even contradictory, and modern writers made things even more fun by writing their own interpretations. That does not happen only to specific figures, but also for general concepts of mythological creatures.
There is also the case of minor legendary figures, who receive just enough stage time to be interesting then are pushed away into obscurity.
Now, pair of questions go!
If you play an historical, mythological or legendary pup, why you decided on this incarnation/aspect?
How did your pup(s) react when meeting an unusual 'take' on said historical, mythological or legendary pup(s)?
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I fell fascinating in love with her early on because
- she's bitter that Robin left her five years ago
- she's unswervingly loyal to her father (even when he isn't)
- she's a lady on the outside, even though she was kicked from court
- she's the people's savior in a mask, who doesn't ever reveal herself because she doesn't want the credit, just the ability to make their lives easier
Later we can add that i loved her more for
- the fact she doesn't back down, but she will lie convincingly
- that she chooses to have faith in a man who is broken and beaten and evil, because she can see where he doesn't want to
Given where she's been in canon before and where she is now? She usually dismiss them as people being really uninformed about the true state of Nottingham or her relationship with Robin of Locksley.
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I might end having to tag her someday, if that's not a problem.
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For Cywyllog and Melou, who are both extremely minor characters in canon and more or less have one mention each in the sense that yeah, they might have been a part of a story at one point, I attempted to actually mix in what the general idea of the myths are with actual history. For example, Cywyllog's father and brother really existed. Cywyllog herself may have as well. They dealt with hearing other versions by assuming historians got it Wrong, though Cywyllog was often secretly disappointed she seemed to get forgotten about completely.
For Erzsébet Bathory, I chose the version from the Tales of the Slayer books because she fit how I had envisioned her in my head the best. There are other fictionalizations of her, but I didn't like their portrayals. I loved her in this one. She never found out that she became "famous", so she never had to deal with that.
As for Vanth and Celaeno, I haven't found any other versions of who they are than how I play them, but they're fairly minor characters. If they do find out they've been written about, they'd probably expect it, so it wouldn't matter much to them.
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Vanth would be a good boss. She'd also be annoyingly cheerful about it, too. I've had the chance to play her off of a Charon in another comm and their dynamic is pretty fun.
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The only mythological pup that she's met was Mr. Jaquel, and while she learned that he's a god she hasn't realized yet that he's a version of Anubis.
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So, I could search for a PB for Annabelle, if you would like? Give me some directions and I will scour the internets!
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And hey, this is just DE. Who cares if I finagle around a bit?
There are many different origins of Vane, which could all be considered canon legends. Some say it was born when Althena brought the people of the Blue Star to Lunar and was washed up by the goddess's tears of sorrow. The magic from those tears stayed and Vane took flight while the tears became the Meribian Sea. Another legend, and the one that actually happened according to the novels, is that Vane is the spaceship that the people of the Blue Star took to get to Lunar. In the novel, this becomes part of Ghaleon's master plan to change the world and, when he fails, he actually implores Alex for help. Since that didn't happen in Lunar: Silver Star Story Complete, the particular version I take Mia from, our Guildmaster mostly just talks about the first legend or claims that her family did it, both being equally likely.
Some events change throughout all the versions of the game, including the translations from Japanese to English. Lunar Net has pages on all of the different games and does provide Japanese to English differences as well.
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I played the very first english language port of Lunar: the Silver Star way back in time... it was the old Sega CD I think? I enjoyed the game greatly, so Mia sparked my interest early on.
*whaps The Devil for being mean and throwing a wrench into the Mia-Draco romance*
Oh, I had a very evil idea a few days ago, what the Devil could do if Mia used a patronus... but it is very evil.
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Hektor only met two of the Greek deities, so far as I know- Hephaistos and Artemis. One does wisely in any of the cultures in Renault's book to be very careful of the Moon Maid, because she's not a tame girly-goddess. Hektor was extremely careful to be respectful of her when he met her, and mentioned his sacrifices in her honor just to make sure she remembered he wasn't the sort of man who mocked her or took her lightly. He practically hyperventilated when he met Hephaistos, because the smith-god had one of his centers of worship on one of the isles that Hektor's people regularly visited, and, well, actual physical major god RIGHT THERE.
He also met Epimetheus, I think, but was told he was the son of a sea nymph, so that wasn't as big of an issue.
I pulled him out largely because I don't think I can play someone with the Renault world view in the constant presence of physically real deities. Even the people acclaimed as the children of deities in the Renault setting, like Theseus (the main character of The King Must Die and The Bull From The Sea) have mundane origins and are never entirely sure about just how the gods were involved in their conception; Theseus, for example, was conceived by King Aigeus on Aithra of Troizen, who mistook him for Poseidon at first sight, and whose nurse and grandfather spread the rumor that the sea god had been physically present and let people's assumptions do the rest. Being constantly confronted by god after god after god would just not work with the way Hektor's world view worked, and I couldn't figure out how to assimilate it without losing the feel I wanted, so I sent Hektor back to his Troy and closed the door.
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Shulkie's partied with Thor and slept with Hercules. Ares runs around the Marvelverse and is a member of one of the Avengers teams. It goes on and on and on.
I think both of my human pups, given their origins and what verses they originated in, don't really do more than blink when confronted with the stuff of legends. Kendra would certainly be awed and deferential to Egyptian deities if she met them. Shulkie's met so many gods/legendary figures at this point that she'd probably question their authenticity and, if they prove to be genuine, privately expect them to join a superhero team. :-)
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Whether the Fenris wolf or Jormungander are Loki's offspring in the MU, I don't know.
Then there's the fact that Loki is THor's foster brother (or is it half brother) instead of being Odin's blood brother.
And all this is even before the recent sex change. ;-p
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So I've improvised a lot.
In bar he's had to explain himself to most people, though when he's met people with canons that contain the green man it's not been too traumatic for either. And bringing out Herne has always been fun.
I dunno, it's been a good time for him most of the way. And if mythology can't decide who or what he is, I'm certainly not going to limit him.
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I first fell in love with Robin Hood through Paul Creswick's book and the accompanying N. C. Wyeth illustrations. In that version there is Will Scarlett, the sort of older cousin of Robin and Will Stutelely, Robin's squire and a young man that he met at a fair.
My Will is mainly this younger version who to me is so fascinating because here's a young man who when he meets Robin has no real connection to him but ends up becoming his most loyal man of them all even facing torture and the gallows for Robin and not breaking.
Also this version captured the Little John and Will relationship so well, where they both have varying senses of how Robin should be treated which keeps them bouncing off each other. John sees Robin as a good leader but nothing amazing while to Will, Robin is just something a bit more. Its not until John sees Will ready to die for Robin that he gets it and their friendship born of differences and teasing begins.
Will has had a rather mixed time with the various BBC Robin Hoodie cast members in Bar along with the Disney Robin Hood. I think he really had the hardest time with Marian without a doubt, because in her all the major differences between the two worlds are found. Little John and Sir Guy actually presented fewer problems because the heart of the interaction remains the same in the two tellings. Disney Robin Hood was fun once Will got over wtf a fox.
Demeter is much less complicated because she doesn't play a major role in a lot of myths and most of the details of the story have to do more with Persephone than Demeter. So in that way, I've followed
I really do need to write a post or essay or such about Robin Hood and Will.
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With Momiji and Yuki, I guess they technically have both manga and anime canon, and there are some pretty significant differences between the two - but both are specifically manga-canon. (And the differences really don't affect either of them, either.)
Aschenbach has movie and opera canon, I guess? But, despite his Dirk Bogarde PB, I haven't seen either, and I'm relatively certain neither could compete with Mann-canon. (And I'm probably going to delete Aschenbach, at some point, anyway. He's an awesome character, but his story wraps up too well at the end of canon for me to feel comfortable doing anything with him.)
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Marlowe's easy enough - I took him from his canon, which I adore.
Melehan came from the same 'verse as Steph's Cywyllog and Melou, so I based him off that.
Mordred and Morgan (although she split off into her own verse) are the same one originally, and with that I read a hell of a lot of stuff on Mordred, and the legends and the times, and fiddled and melded until I got something I felt suited. To be honest, he was younger than I would have played him if I was doing him again, but that was to fit in Galahad and that dynamic, as 'Ala's player and I have our own story versions. Then again, I have about five versions of the Arthurian legends in my head, so...
Mordred did not always take well to other versions of the Arthurian legends, but he did gain a brother out of it.
Medusa and Kore-Seph came from a similar process, of my reading essays as well as legends. Medusa also comes from research into her time and place. It's...hard to explain it more than that. I just read and read, and then fiddle until things fall into place.
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There's a Fruits Basket manga and anime for Hatsuharu, although the differences are not huge where his interaction is concerned as he's a supporting character in it. Right now I'm drawing him from anime canon as there's some things I'm iffy on whether or not I like were done with him in the later parts of the manga, which the anime stopped before.
Demyx and Zexion have ongoing canon. The rest of us itwith mus are waiting for the new game to come out before we all make a decision as a whole on whether or not we want to include it into our canon, as it's a freaking prequel specifically dealing with the Organization. Damn you, squeenix.