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Since it has come up in thread...

Those of you in the Bar who play vampires/other beings who drink blood, does your pup get human blood, animal blood, or synthetic blood from Bar?

I presumed that Bar wouldn't be too keen on handing out ~~soylent green~~ human blood, so I've had Asher existing (but not enjoying) on synthetic blood. Just imagine eating nothing but tofu for the rest of your life, and you'll get an idea of exactly how satisfying that is...

But it seems like Buffyverse canon vamps (or at least, the ones Fray has encountered), are getting human blood. Which poses a quandry - just what did the AB vamps do to piss Bar off? (answers on a postcard, please...).

So...yes. Animal/Human/Fake blood? and any ideas for how to soothe a grumpy Bar, if there is human blood on offer...

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Right now, Ivy's on a blood fast of...like two and a half, maybe three years. But, she'll be breaking it (well, forced to break it), sometime in the semi-near future.

I thhhiiiink that because she can drink other things, she'll only be feeding off willing participants.

But, worse comes to worse, it'll probably be deer blood from Bar. Don't ask me why deer in particular, but that's what Bar'll be serving.

Good to know - similar to the Blake vamps, then; she *can* drink other things, if needs be, but it's not as satisfying? Although, in Blake canon, the vamps rot if they don't drink human blood after a while...

She's not dead yet. Blood...is an addiction for her, canonically. In her world, a living vamp can be forced to feed, and it winds up being akin to rape.

Once she kicks it, she'll live solely on blood.

For now, Ivy enjoys pizza, and various other goodies.

Human if it is on offer, animal if not, never synthetic under any circs -- Spike can't get nourishment from it, and if he's just drinking for flavour, he prefers bourbon. Spike was not looking a gift beverage in the mouth in the case of getting human blood from Bar, but if I had to fanwank it and replicator technology is not an option, I would say Bar is getting donated blood that was about to expire.

OH HEY SPEAKING OF WHICH. Are you likely to be around this evening?

Why yes, as it happens.

*nods* makes sense. AB vamps are similar; not as MUCH nourishment, though for lack-of-rotting-vamp sake, I decided the synth blood would keep Asher alive, if not happy. ;)

WAIT. We have a new Spike again?? :O! *glee*

Heh. I've actually been around a while, but I'm sort of stealth -- I threw my back out so my computer time is limited. But a) that'll go away eventually and b) I can still hoard up some sitting time to play on the weekends. Right now I've been using it up on some slowtimes with

stilljustandrew. Spike's journal is at

bloodndnicotine, BTW. If you go there, please ignore the top thread, it's not done yet.

FWIW, Mel's interacted with more than just the vampires from her canon universe.

There was once, I remember, a very lovely thread between Mina Harker (LXG) and Lady Morgolotta (Discworld) about animal vs human blood, all from Bar.

Though I'd suggest this was a question for the Bar Mod, who should be around later in the day.

And bar mod has indeed answered, below. :)

Ooh, I'm thinking of apping Mina at some point.

...a thing for vampires, moi? *grin*

I played a vampire ages ago, and I honestly don't remember if I ever specified what she drank. Personally, I don't really see why Bar would differentiate between supplying human blood or a steak, for example, as they're both the products of sentient, living beings, but that's just my opinion. :) I think this has come up before, but I'm not sure what the Bar mods' ruling on it was.

Oh, Steph, talking of your vampire who you don't play anymore - I had a horrible idea for a thing involving a pup I'm probably never apping and not until I've finished anyway.

I... have no idea why I'm telling you that, but I can't stop my brain these days.

Horrible ideas are fun!

Are you still planning on doing that other thing with your other pup that you e-mailed me about?

Yes!

There's no hurry, though. I have to get her through Lessons in Blood before she hits that bit of canon, though.

(are you at all familiar with Secret Six?)

Coolio. I'm still up for it when you get there!

(only very, very vaguely)

(*emails you*

Not that THAT idea must ever happen. at all. Nope.)

they're both the products of sentient, living beings

...A very good point, considering the wide variety of people and things in the Bar....

I don't know if I was Bar Mod at the time of the decision of which you speak, but...this is kind of how I've envisioned things.

Everything comes from somewhere. Bar doesn't make anything, she transports it from place to place. Tabs are generated because moving something out of one world leaves a negative balance for it there.

Basically, if there's a market for it somewhere, Bar can get it. If someone knows of a world where human blood is available in containers other than ease of blood bank donation pouches....hook me up with a link and I'm all good for rewriting/re-envisioning it. :D

I'm honestly not even sure if there ever was a decision. I just half sort of recall this discussion possibly being had in the past, but with the way my brain works lately, I can't be certain. It may all be a case of deja vu or that Milliways has crept into my subconscious when I wasn't looking.

But I've always assumed it works that way, too. I was trying to align the idea that human blood is no more different for certain types of vampires than any other food group would be to any other species that visits the bar, and that to me, it wouldn't be Bar-like to discriminate because some people find it unsavoury. Availability is a whole other issue. :)

Heh.
Any bias, if there is indeed any, can totally be blamed on the fact that Bar is bonded with a sort-of Human.

But then again, she has been known to serve up Turtle Soup while Mike was near by....so there is that.

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...now you've got the vampire muses in my head wondering what humanized turtle blood would taste like.

It'd be bad. Trust me when I say it'd be bad. Real Bad.

It tastes like having a humanised turtle's girlfriend dust you so hard you never even got time to swallow.

Now that's an adequate deterrent!

See, if there any reason she can't be all - "OK, I'll take 200ml from that human, and 200ml from that human, and maybe some over there..."?

*is overly helpful *

Because she doesn't work that way, is really the only answer I can give you.

Umm, nobody wants Angel getting a taste for human blood again, most of all Angel. He's been regularly getting the canon-approved mix of pig's blood plus a dash of otter (Harmony would be so pleased) from the time he first came in.

My understanding is, Bar can provide human blood via blood banks throughout the multiverse, but at least as far as the Buffyverse is concerned, even that could pose a problem, unless you're planning on an intimate get-together with the unhappy end of Mr. Pointy.

Otter? Hee, that's random but awesome.

Looks like we'll come up with a reason that Asher and Damian haven't been able to get human blood, then.

Yup, ever since Angel 5.1. The expression on Angel's face when Harmony tells him 'the secret ingredient is otter' still makes me snicker.

Just for some clarification:

Human Blood is available, though in quantities larger than a shot it has the lovely Anti-coagulant aftertaste that comes with being from a blood donor bank. (The shots are from that vile of blood taken at the beginning of donation for testing)

As for what the Blakian vamps did to piss Bar off so?
Well...if you need help with that, just give me a holler.
;-)

Damian-mun and I were thinking that maybe it was Bar meddling; when Asher was in the first time around, he fed from Teja when he needed blood to heal, and that brought them a hell of a lot closer together, what with the orgasmic bite and all....

And this time around, it brought Asher Nathaniel. And Damian's made a few aquiantances, trying to find donors.

So maybe it's Bar's way of ensuring that emo vampires do not close themselves off too much?

If the two of you are happy with that explanation, then it works for me!

Actually, I would have to disagree with the Blake-verse vampires being able to feed off donor blood. We know through our canon that they must subsist on living blood. Animal blood will rot them from the inside out, and synthetic blood doesn't exist.

We've never seen canonically vampires who drink donated blood out of pouches, which has led us to create the explanation that donated blood is dead blood, and Blake-verse vampires can't live off dead blood. This was my understanding of why we're looking for living donors and why Anita even agreed to it -- and why vampires in the Blake world canonically even have pomme de sangs.

Vampires in the Blake-verse are recognized as legal citizens, so it seems very plausible that if it were possible for them to live off of donated blood, we'd have seen it by now somewhere in the past seventeen books. That we haven't seen that, but have seen the existence of clubs where humans can go in and pay for the experience of being fed upon, implies that donor blood won't do for them.

Just putting my two cents in here.

My only problem with the donated blood is dead blood work around is that it's not scientifically sound. I mean, if the blood were dead then it wouldn't really work for transfusions. [edited to add the *facepalm* for talking about sound science and vampires in the same conversation.]

If you guys don't want to have your characters take the type of blood that Bar has available, that's fine. Though...if feeding is truly an orgasmic experience, I'd think transactions and their scheduling should probably happen somewhere that isn't in the main bar.

That's breaking the "no sex" rule. Which...doesn't mean that they can't do it, just...don't be surprised if they're caught and punished for it.

As for synthetic blood. A tap for True Blood, from the Sookie Stackhouse novels, will be making an appearance sometime soon.

I've no problem with you guys playing however you want, my concern was more with clarifying Bar's part.

She does actually dispense human blood.

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My only problem with the donated blood is dead blood work around is that it's not scientifically sound.

No, it isn't, but this is Laurell K Hamilton we're talking about, and she has quite a few crazy ideas about what is and isn't science in her world. Lycanthropy in her world is completely screwy, for instance. The simple fact is that it's never shown in the books, and there is no interview with LKH confirming or denying it. This is what we as the fandom muns have collectively decided is the reason we haven't seen it, and why Asher and Damian were not doing well on the Bar-provided blood.

Though...if feeding is truly an orgasmic experience, I'd think transactions and their scheduling should probably happen somewhere that isn't in the main bar.

Technically, only Asher's bite is truly orgasmic. It's one of his unique abilities. Other vampires have the ability to roll the mind, but that's basically just to turn the pain of the bite into pleasure. Arousing, but not orgasmic. And, to date, no feeding has happened in the bar anyway, so no one's breaking any rules. And it's a personal enough experience that it never will happen in the bar. At this point, all that has happened is people have expressed interest in being a donor, their information is taken down, and they are informed that they'll be contacted in the future when they come up on the rotation. I think most people have just been handwaving that they're getting munched once every week or so.

I'm not really seeing what the problem with asking for willing donors is. It's no worse than when Delicate Flowers was advertising for prostitutes in the main bar. And in this case, there's no money changing hands, and no actual sex taking place -- Anita, ICly, has been very clear with the vamps that sex is NOT to occur with the donors.

I mean, if it's an IC thing where Security's just not real happy with it, then that's drama, and I can roll with it. I would ask to have Jean-Claude have a thread with either Mike or Belar (he's still head of security, right?) to discuss it and try to find a compromise.

OTOH, if it's an OOC issue, then we should probably take it away from the public eye here and you and I talk over IM and see what we can work out.

*blinks*

There isn't an issue at all. At least, not that I'm aware of.
As I've said elsewhere in the thread, I'm merely here to clarify that Bar does indeed serve human blood.

Fair enough, then. I just wanted that clarified.

I felt I needed to ask since I was getting IMs from my canonmates saying that -- because of Mel's thread -- they (both ICly and OOCly) were afraid they were doing something Very Wrong, and as my pup is their pups' "boss", I wanted to make sure there wasn't anything really up that needed to be addressed.

That totally makes sense.

On the off chance that there's a question about something like this in the future? Contact information for me can be found in the User Info/Profile of the main game comm.

Regarding this though? Mel's a vampire slayer with some pretty heavy vampire related damage. It's only to be expected that she'd kind of go...well...nutty, given the circumstances.

...random linguistic nitpick, and I'll even admit my French is pretty shaky, but wouldn't it be pommes de sang?

<____<;; ...butting out now. <___<;;

You're probably right, but it's written the other way in the books themselves, possibly because the main character doesn't speak French, and since it's in first person, we get her screw-ups. Or possibly because the author made the screw-up and either her editors didn't catch it, or she ignored it if they did.

Gleeerrrrrgh. x___x

Alucard gets human blood from bar.

And has been seen in canon drinking from a donor bag.

...like it was a drink box.

The action figure has one.

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