Having Alice, who can see the future, as a wife has made Jasper much more accepting of the fact that decisions and making them play a huge part in life. Part of him, however, as evident by his last conversation with Kate (http://community.livejournal.com/milliways_bar/22521731.html?thread=996196995#t996196995), still thinks that things just happen, whether by good luck or bad luck or just plain nasty luck.
In some ways, it is easier for him to believe that things just happen when something goes wrong or times are bad. Or, I should say, especially when something goes wrong or when times are bad. He often prefers the denial than having to put the blame on someone for this-or-that happening, which he is often, very much, aware that he does so.
I play Gibbs. Gibbs has a lot to say on the subject. Far more than all my others combined.
The others believe to a degree that there are moments when you have good luck or bad luck, though Kirk would probably quote baseball executive Branch Rickey: Luck is the residue of design. Kirk might also agree with Will Riker, who would say "Luck...protects fools, small children and ships named Enterprise."
Elle doesn't really believe in some kind of force that will determine the "good" and "bad" in her life. She can understand fortune and misfortune, and that a lot of these things are left up to circumstance, but... ultimately it kind of comes down to shit happens and you deal. Getting into concepts of luck gets a little superstitious for her, and she doesn't have things like "lucky" objects or things like that.
Caprica doesn't believe in luck, but more particularly because she's very religious, and believes in a God that has a plan for everyone. Whatever happens, it's a part of that plan - and as badly as things ever turn out, she never really questions this. There isn't any room for luck in that mindset.
Sharon... sort of believes in luck, but to the extent that applies to relatively mundane things. When it comes to winning a Triad game or trapping a landing, that can be about luck, and she'll carry out little superstitious rituals around those kinds of things. But she can't apply luck to anything more major than that.
Carla doesn't have a lot of patience for the concept of luck herself, but Turk is totally into it and she doesn't have a problem accommodating him. Usually this means that while she'll help him find his lucky [whatever object here], it's a little difficult for her to understand the significance of those kinds of things to him. Her experience has been mostly about making your own luck, and tends to be her approach to her own life, and the reason she'll do a lot to help others when they need it.
Emerson thinks luck is something people invent to have something to blame their problems on. And also, that he has all kinds of bad luck when it comes to things turning out in such a way that makes his life Not Complicated.
If it makes you feel better, if it's Sharon, her feelings on luck have a lot to do with being programmed to remember believing herself to be human and spending a lot of time around humans. It's kind of a combination of habit and way of thinking she can't just get rid of, and doesn't really want to, since she tends to embrace any kind of humanity she's afforded.
-__- Lots of humans think like Caprica! They just aren't in BSG. I haven't thought too much on how their Greco-Roman-like-polytheism would affect that kind of thinking.
Greco-Roman-polytheism usually more heavily emphasises luck! From what I recall...? It's been a decade since I was deeply entrenched in that :/. Well, not luck so much as currying the favor of the gods. Make the right sacrifices, don't insult anyone, try not to flirt with Zeus or Hera will kill you. That sort o' thing.
That would be my inclination. Though the BSG-human-polytheism is really vague and has some sort of predetermination-ish sounding language, even that comes off more like prophecy than divine will, while the mostly monotheistic Cylons do talk a lot about "God's plan" and terms like that. But someone who actually plays a BSG!human might see it differently! >__>
OH WELL PROPHECIES. Those are basically "greek gods hate everyone and want to ruin their lives" *solemn*. Seriously, greek mythology is so dramatic it makes me laaaaaugh (there's a reason that I was into it before I picked up terry pratchett).
It must be interesting playing Sharon, theologically speaking--in that I guess from what I can tell (with the whole implanted memories issue) she was kind of raised/acclimated to one religion but actually believes the other? It's kinda twisty!
(also, some day I will log out of my m_m journal. This day is not that day! *giggling* Which is to say, I'm just going to use Quatre's icons as I am lazy.)
I don't really play Sharon as that religious either way, as... well, this is kind of difficult to get into without making it a huge canon info dump, so as succinctly as possible - mostly Cylons have a "model" number, and there's multiple, identical copies of those of the same model, and in Sharon's case in particular, there were two copies programmed with this "Sharon" personality and memories, with one of them believing she was human and one being aware she was a Cylon. The one I play is the latter, so she's aware that pretty much all the time she remembers spending with humans is fabricated, but it's still not something she can entirely disassociate with her own experience.
But neither Sharon has ever been shown as having much in the way of religious leanings, and my Sharon has talked about human religion in a very disconnected way, saying that Cylons know all about "your religion" and that "we don't worship idols." But she doesn't show much reverence for the Cylon religion, either. I've sort of taken it as that she doesn't feel particularly connected with either belief system.
Of course, she and her human husband also name their daughter 'Hera,' though there's not much reason given for that other than that it's cool for the story, so.
Felix understands chance, at least at some level, but he's also very big on choice. Things happen, yes, and much of it's out of your control, but according to Felix you have more influence than you think.
Kain, frankly, sometimes feels like the world is conspiring against him. Especially once his canon starts - being mind-controlled, having the girl he loves choose someone else, being mind-controlled again... I suspect Kain and Felix wouldn't get along very well.
Susannah believes in luck, as part of ka. God puts targets on some people. The important thing is what you do with your life in the margin that you can control.
Harry Truman is superstitious. I don't think he thinks too much about luck, but he wouldn't walk under a ladder.
Doctor Girlfriend is very much a "Our fate is what we make it!" kind of girl.
Monkey knows the answer to these things. So, probably, does D'Hoffryn.
Outwardly, Ben believes that yeah, there's the Force and it's got a destiny for you but it's not fixed. You can still change things. But it's up to you, not some random factor called "luck". This is pretty much what Jacen's taught him up until now. Choose, and act.
Sam doesn't believe in it, because he knows full well that (in his world, at least) it doesn't exist. THANKS, DADDY. Things happen because you make them, because Time is manipulating them, or because of chance. One day, maybe he'll learn to remember that his world's rules don't apply everywhere.
Molly kind of does, but she's never really thought about it.
Minerva believes very firmly that luck is what you make it.
OMG SO BORED AND DOING BORING WORK. TALK TO ME, PEOPLE, DON'T MAKE ME WHINE AT MY FLIST AGAIN.
Mia firmly believes that people are free to make their lives whatever they want. That is ultimately why she fought against Ghaleon, after all.
Personally, I'm not sure where I stand on luck, but I've noticed that my last two Friday the 13ths have been bad enough for me to remember. But then, I also met my doppelganger on Friday the 13th, so it can't be all that bad.
John is slowly drifting towards thinking all of the events in his life are perpetuated by a deeply buried multi-time line conspiracy theory made by robots. He is honestly kind of freaked out about this!!! Also, um, he doesn't know about luck. It's either good luck that he knows about the coming apocalypse and is preparing for it/trying to avert it or HORRIBLE LUCK. Who knows!
Finn is a personification of chaos. He makes everyone's luck for his world. So, yeah, he believes in it.
If Helen believed in luck that would undermine her own awesomeness.It would also undermine her ability to call other people stupid! So it doesn't meet her qualifications for existing.
Mitt believes in luck, to whit: everyone else is hoarding the good kind. Bastards.
Cathy--is kind of superstitious. Less superstitious than a theatre person stereotypically is, but she's known people to die in her line of work and seen serious injuries. And she does high wire and trapeze without safety nets. So, um. She...kind of believes in luck? More she expects some day chance will align against her and she'll injure herself badly. And she's okay with that; this is her life.
Gordon believes that he is simply not that lucky of a man, and that if things in his life go very very well for any length of time, something terrible is going to happen. Given that he lives in the Valve universe, he's right. He doesn't believe in rituals or behaviors that change one's luck, though. Just in bracing for impact of the bad stuff and taking massive advantage of the good whenever possible.
Ray has probably met a few entities who were probability manipulators or personifications of luck along the way in the course of his work. It's just one more part of being a Ghostbuster. He may have a few studies tucked away somewhere regarding the efficacy of various sigils and invocations.
Ellen... may have believed in luck once, I don't know. These days the overwhelming reality of crazy overwrites anything luck-related she might come up with.
Enzo, when he's in a mood, is inclined to think that his biggest strokes of good fortune have occurred because the universe owes him for the massive ill fortune earlier in his life. Otherwise, it's fairly evident that his and his family's luck is so all over the place that they're basically destiny magnets.
The Revenant believes in chance, not luck, in the normal run of things. However, superpowers take all kinds of forms; if he should happen to run up against a luck-based metahuman, he'll simply consider that as another factor to take into account.
Addendum to Tucker: There was that episode where he was having a ridiculous run of bad luck (with plenty of fallout for everyone around him), but that was the fault of a ghost. It was simply his bad luck (ha) that he was usually instrumental in the manifestations of the ghost's power. He was temporarily nicknamed Bad Luck Tuck as a result.
Anyhow, that was bad luck with a specific cause, rather than a generality; see my comment on the Revenant, above.
Wellard quite believes in luck! (See, Sailor.) However, while he'll hope for good luck, he does his best not to ever make plans that depend on it. If he ever gets a round of bad luck, well- he'll stop and fix it. Somehow. (He'll figure it out.)
Laini tends to be good or bad luck to other people. >_> Depending on her mood and how she feels towards them. Other than that, she doesn't believe in 'luck'- excepting she comes from a canon with magic, so it is entirely possible to be cursed. (And that's when you return the favor with a Murphy's Random Entropy generator.)
Joris would say he doesn't believe in luck (Konstam doesn't!), but he does a bit. He's mostly growing out of it, but you won't catch him doing anything that's supposed to be unlucky.
Tower is a tarot card, he doesn't have good or bad luck, he makes it for other people.
Teja thinks that being too hopeful will surely invite bad luck, because the world sucks and loves to screw you over (my words, not his!).
Donovan thinks he's simply unlucky in his life, and can't do much about it.
Sirona is a goddess; she hands out luck to her people as she pleases. And messes with them when necessary. And when she has messed with them and likes the result, she hands them their hearts' desires on a silver platter, so being messed with by Sirona is really lucky, you might say.
Annabelle is a Daredevil. This means that in her area of expertise she has all of her luck and everyone else's too. She's also a big believer in bad luck, thanks to her lifelong relationship fail.
Possibly, although Canon suggests that Daredevils subconsciously manipulate probability. It would certainly explain the amount of tragedy that seems to get piled on all of Æon's founders.
This is an interesting one and I'm so excited, I get to go talk to someone doing the job I want to do today.
Will does believe in luck especially because he knows how just a few small things would have changed his life completely. Also he's from a rather superstitious time and I haven't defined it exactly but he has things that are sort of talismans that he feels like they protect him.
Sameth doesn't really believe in luck so much as destiny and fate because the Charter defines so many things for him and his family. Not that he actually likes this but its not so much luck as something else.
Demeter knows about luck and puts it up there with Destiny since as a goddess even she can have bad luck if the Fates are frowning at her.
Tumnus believes a bit in luck though I'm not too clear on it.
The Pirate King certainly does since he's a sailor though its not terribly serious, I could see him scaring the sailors with stories to make them scared of bad luck as a way to go ha but I'm not.
Huh, interesting. I just had a look up on Tyche [Τύχη], the Greek goddess of luck, and according to Wikipedia, she specifically governed the fortunes of cities, rather than of individuals.
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In some ways, it is easier for him to believe that things just happen when something goes wrong or times are bad. Or, I should say, especially when something goes wrong or when times are bad. He often prefers the denial than having to put the blame on someone for this-or-that happening, which he is often, very much, aware that he does so.
He just likes happy thoughts?
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The others believe to a degree that there are moments when you have good luck or bad luck, though Kirk would probably quote baseball executive Branch Rickey: Luck is the residue of design. Kirk might also agree with Will Riker, who would say "Luck...protects fools, small children and ships named Enterprise."
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Caprica doesn't believe in luck, but more particularly because she's very religious, and believes in a God that has a plan for everyone. Whatever happens, it's a part of that plan - and as badly as things ever turn out, she never really questions this. There isn't any room for luck in that mindset.
Sharon... sort of believes in luck, but to the extent that applies to relatively mundane things. When it comes to winning a Triad game or trapping a landing, that can be about luck, and she'll carry out little superstitious rituals around those kinds of things. But she can't apply luck to anything more major than that.
Carla doesn't have a lot of patience for the concept of luck herself, but Turk is totally into it and she doesn't have a problem accommodating him. Usually this means that while she'll help him find his lucky [whatever object here], it's a little difficult for her to understand the significance of those kinds of things to him. Her experience has been mostly about making your own luck, and tends to be her approach to her own life, and the reason she'll do a lot to help others when they need it.
Emerson thinks luck is something people invent to have something to blame their problems on. And also, that he has all kinds of bad luck when it comes to things turning out in such a way that makes his life Not Complicated.
Laaast Civ Pro class >_>
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I... have nothing if it's Caprica :o
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(As long as I don't blow up the planet I think we're good??)
I also didn't realize Sharon was a cylon. I...do not watch BSG. *states the obvious, sheepishly*
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It must be interesting playing Sharon, theologically speaking--in that I guess from what I can tell (with the whole implanted memories issue) she was kind of raised/acclimated to one religion but actually believes the other? It's kinda twisty!
(also, some day I will log out of my m_m journal. This day is not that day! *giggling* Which is to say, I'm just going to use Quatre's icons as I am lazy.)
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But neither Sharon has ever been shown as having much in the way of religious leanings, and my Sharon has talked about human religion in a very disconnected way, saying that Cylons know all about "your religion" and that "we don't worship idols." But she doesn't show much reverence for the Cylon religion, either. I've sort of taken it as that she doesn't feel particularly connected with either belief system.
Of course, she and her human husband also name their daughter 'Hera,' though there's not much reason given for that other than that it's cool for the story, so.
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Kain, frankly, sometimes feels like the world is conspiring against him. Especially once his canon starts - being mind-controlled, having the girl he loves choose someone else, being mind-controlled again... I suspect Kain and Felix wouldn't get along very well.
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Harry Truman is superstitious. I don't think he thinks too much about luck, but he wouldn't walk under a ladder.
Doctor Girlfriend is very much a "Our fate is what we make it!" kind of girl.
Monkey knows the answer to these things. So, probably, does D'Hoffryn.
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lol wrong ben.
Outwardly, Ben believes that yeah, there's the Force and it's got a destiny for you but it's not fixed. You can still change things. But it's up to you, not some random factor called "luck". This is pretty much what Jacen's taught him up until now. Choose, and act.
Inwardly, well, his uncle is Han Solo. :|
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Molly kind of does, but she's never really thought about it.
Minerva believes very firmly that luck is what you make it.
OMG SO BORED AND DOING BORING WORK. TALK TO ME, PEOPLE, DON'T MAKE ME WHINE AT MY FLIST
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[Only not really. Wish I could even juggle oranges.]
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*four hours late!!
ALSO totally thinks answering cryptic questions counts as entertaining...?*
*glomps*
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Personally, I'm not sure where I stand on luck, but I've noticed that my last two Friday the 13ths have been bad enough for me to remember. But then, I also met my doppelganger on Friday the 13th, so it can't be all that bad.
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Finn is a personification of chaos. He makes everyone's luck for his world. So, yeah, he believes in it.
If Helen believed in luck that would undermine her own awesomeness.It would also undermine her ability to call other people stupid! So it doesn't meet her qualifications for existing.
Mitt believes in luck, to whit: everyone else is hoarding the good kind. Bastards.
Cathy--is kind of superstitious. Less superstitious than a theatre person stereotypically is, but she's known people to die in her line of work and seen serious injuries. And she does high wire and trapeze without safety nets. So, um. She...kind of believes in luck? More she expects some day chance will align against her and she'll injure herself badly. And she's okay with that; this is her life.
uuum yes, that is all for now
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Ray has probably met a few entities who were probability manipulators or personifications of luck along the way in the course of his work. It's just one more part of being a Ghostbuster. He may have a few studies tucked away somewhere regarding the efficacy of various sigils and invocations.
Ellen... may have believed in luck once, I don't know. These days the overwhelming reality of crazy overwrites anything luck-related she might come up with.
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The Revenant believes in chance, not luck, in the normal run of things. However, superpowers take all kinds of forms; if he should happen to run up against a luck-based metahuman, he'll simply consider that as another factor to take into account.
Tucker just likes to complain.
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Anyhow, that was bad luck with a specific cause, rather than a generality; see my comment on the Revenant, above.
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Mike will believe in just about anything that makes a good story.
Ida knows that luck is just another word MeatSacks use in place of probability.
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Laini tends to be good or bad luck to other people. >_> Depending on her mood and how she feels towards them. Other than that, she doesn't believe in 'luck'- excepting she comes from a canon with magic, so it is entirely possible to be cursed. (And that's when you return the favor with a Murphy's Random Entropy generator.)
Joris would say he doesn't believe in luck (Konstam doesn't!), but he does a bit. He's mostly growing out of it, but you won't catch him doing anything that's supposed to be unlucky.
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Teja thinks that being too hopeful will surely invite bad luck, because the world sucks and loves to screw you over (my words, not his!).
Donovan thinks he's simply unlucky in his life, and can't do much about it.
Sirona is a goddess; she hands out luck to her people as she pleases. And messes with them when necessary. And when she has messed with them and likes the result, she hands them their hearts' desires on a silver platter, so being messed with by Sirona is really lucky, you might say.
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Will does believe in luck especially because he knows how just a few small things would have changed his life completely. Also he's from a rather superstitious time and I haven't defined it exactly but he has things that are sort of talismans that he feels like they protect him.
Sameth doesn't really believe in luck so much as destiny and fate because the Charter defines so many things for him and his family. Not that he actually likes this but its not so much luck as something else.
Demeter knows about luck and puts it up there with Destiny since as a goddess even she can have bad luck if the Fates are frowning at her.
Tumnus believes a bit in luck though I'm not too clear on it.
The Pirate King certainly does since he's a sailor though its not terribly serious, I could see him scaring the sailors with stories to make them scared of bad luck as a way to go ha but I'm not.
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