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X has been there! It was quiet.

Raven -- it's something he's never going to get, because I am mean.

Dean -- uh. Is not a fan. He is not ever going to be a fan. Hell sucks. Heaven sucks. Woe.

Galadan -- I don't think it's something that particularly concerns him, though now I can't remember offhand if andain have an afterlife or if killing them causes them to cease to exist anywhere. I feel like that is not the case. He'll probably have to hang out with his Dad after he dies. Galadan: *fate worse than death* Me: You are such a teenager, go away.

Wonder Woman -- She knows what's waiting for her down the pike, or she did before she renounced her gods. Now -- now maybe she'll get a champion's position in the afterlife, in amongst all her dead sisters and whatever, but -- maybe not. I think she tries not to think about it.

Nynaeve al'Meara -- The Wheel of Time turns, though I don't know if she's one that is going to get bound to the Wheel, or if she already is one of those. The weird learning weaves before learning them suggests to me that maybe, but most of those have already been pointed out in the narrative, as it were, so. Who knows!

Jordan -- you get to go to a happy place and spend time with Mommy and Daddy and Grandpa and Grandma and all the angels and Benny will be there too, and -- (you get the picture)

Michael the Archangel -- The afterlife is what you tell yourself it is, each and every time. Surprise!

Sam Tyler -- Um. [spoilers redacted?]

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I loled. Well put.

Darien goes to the Weaver's Halls after death, so presumably Galadan would do similarly...?

POSSIBLY EVEN WORSE. :)

*snickers* Right.

I think I'll just save your headvoice from that.

Elle was pretty much told that almost any religious or supernatural belief was just superstition, so a concept of the afterlife is about as real to her as Santa Claus. She doesn't mind this; the concept of an afterlife also isn't all that appealing to her.

The Cylons are kind of complicated when it comes to the afterlife, because while they certainly believe in one, they also achieved something akin to immortality. But for Cylons, it does sort of seem that to them their ability to resurrect is less a religious act and more a necessity born out of their inability to reproduce. One group of Cylons abandon resurrection technology altogether when able to independently reproduce, and even the most atheistic model is more focused on the survival of his species than his own immortality. So at least the religious Cylons do believe in some sort of afterlife, probably akin to a heaven (I don't think there's really any mention of a hell-type afterlife, but I could be wrong). Caprica definitely does, and I think Sharon is more prone to the Cylon rather than human view of the afterlife, though she wouldn't openly acknowledge that.

Emerson doesn't believe in reincarnation. Or at least, he hopes it doesn't exist. I think that's about as far as canon goes when it comes to his views of the afterlife, though I think he does believe in some kind of heaven-like afterlife, though he'd outwardly deny it.

Salander doesn't believe in an afterlife. That's about all there is to it.

Felix has come to the conclusion that he has no idea. He's gonna wait and find out. It doesn't help that religion is essentially a non-factor on his world. (I mean, yeah, there's a priest in every town, but only one or two seem to be there for any purpose other than reviving/unpoisoning/uncursing your party. Besides, their title seems to be "Healer" rather than anything more overtly religious.)

Kain is firmly of the opinion that the dead watch the living and have opinions about them. There's some canonical indications that this is the case, but then there's also stuff (in the latest remake, at least) that suggests an oversoul into which the dead are subsumed.

In cyberspace, there isn't one, as far as Enzo knows. Presumably (based on what we've seen of deletion), one's energy returns to the ambient field and one's memory is freed up for other use. Not so much reincarnation as recycling.

Of course, his girlfriend's a ghost, so he—and Tucker—know darn well that something can continue after death in the Phantomverse at the very least. Mind you, the Ghost Zone is all that's known, and clearly not everyone remains as a ghost, so we still don't know what the ultimate afterlife is, or if there is one. If the ghosts know, they're not telling.

The Revenant is firmly agnostic. The problem in his world isn't so much a lack of information as, thanks to the wide assortment of metahuman powers, too much information, much of it apparently contradictory. He has thus far been too busy with more immediately urgent cases to investigate properly. (I may append more specific information when I get home this evening and can consult my books.)

The Giant Purple Snorklewacker has plenty to say on the subject of potential afterlives, but only to disturb you.

Sameth's been to Death with its Nine Gates and would rather not go back, thank you very much.

Will honestly isn't sure. He was raised in a time where there was a strong belief in Heaven and Hell, but Milliways has made him slightly unsure.

Jane also was raised with the same sort of solid belief in Heaven and Hell.

Moist hopes none of the gods will pay him attention and that he can have a nice quiet afterlife elsewhere.

Demeter's daughter is Queen of the Underworld so rules the afterlife.

Tumnus believes in the quiet afterlife of Narnia whatever that is.

The Pirate King believes in not thinking about it and not getting there.

Okay, Mondays are complicated as is my internship. I can't seem to make my point clear and so now someone else is doing cataloging. Gah, it makes sense in my head.

Edited 2010-10-25 14:38 (UTC)

Cataloging; is that the project you've been doing letter-by-letter.

Yup, each library book has a catalog record. I just finished all the picture books and I now have a helper who is doing the catalog books. This isn't my first choice for what they should doing, because it worries me to have someone else in the midst of this part.

The only thing is my boss wants things done now so tutors can use them so chapters are sorted and I try to figure out how to catalog phonics' books.

Ah, I see. Makes sense, hope it goes well.

Thanks and I meant she's doing chapter books, its really a Monday morning.

For Ben Grimm, Jessica Drew, and Santo Vaccarro the afterlife is a revolving door dependent on the whims of writers and editorial. Valeria von Doom is still holding onto the hope that this applies to her.

In all seriousness...
Ben knows there is Heaven as he's been there.

Jessica and Val I'm not sure about to be honest and Santo is a lapsed Catholic so I'm sure he imagines Heaven to be waiting.

Thalia either gets the Elysian Fields if she's been heroic enough or the dreary existence of Hades if not.

I honestly don't know if Pixies have an afterlife or if they even think of it. Their lives are short and simple so I think they don't.

The Fields of Asphodel, you mean. (For the dreary part.) Hades is the whole shebang.

Ah thank you! I'm not as up on my understanding of Hades geography as I could be. = D

No problem. It's the Fields of, from best to worst, Elysium, Asphodel, and, um, Punishment. (Funny, the first two always get called by their name names but I've never heard any but Punishment for the last.) The Isles of the Blessed are contained within Elysium. Other than the more interesting custom Punishments, that's the only landmark I know of.

Ace: Didn't actually think about it all that much before Gamestation. She figured it was something she would eventually get around to experiencing anyway, so there wasn't much point obsessing over it.
Now she just hopes it's really nice, since the list of people she knows there is starting to get longer than the list of people she knows who are still alive. And after the amount of time she's going to wait to get there? She'll have words for someone if it doesn't live up to expectations. Also, if she gets stuck at Milliways, she'll be one cranky pyro. Not that she doesn't love Milliways. But seriously.

Bones: Has some vague 'pearly gates and clouds and things' ideas, but he also doesn't think about it much. Other than being damn sure none of his patients are going there. Not today, anyway.

Urahara: Is laughing at this question.

Romana: Is looking at you like you grew a second head, and it is reciting Shakespeare backwards. In Gallifreyan. While also making rude comments about the White Guardian and his possible odor of elderberries.

Mad Hatter: Hasn't a clue what you're talking about. And it might be wise to stop talking about people dying. No. Really. Just. OhdearLordhehasthescissorsrun.

Laranth: Has been taught for years and years and years on end that there really isn't an afterlife, that after a Jedi dies their life force is absorbed into the Force as a whole and that's the end! Except it doesn't explain Force ghosts, which have been written into the EU version of Star Wars long before Yoda and his going on about how Qui-Gon found a way back from the other side, and then there's stories about how yes there is an afterlife but it is mostly ruled by the Sith. So. Um. She doesn't want to go there. Which is unfortunate, 'cause the writers of her canon like to pick on her. Lots.

Shaz: Has vaguely Catholic/vaguely CoE ideas about the afterlife. No, the girl has no idea. Yes, she is going to be (canonically) stunned. Poor chica. (No one said anything about St. Peter having a Quattro)

Glorfindel: Has been there, is technically living his afterlife if you define it as the life after the one he was originally born into... elves are weird. Mostly his view on it right now is that the heirs of his king are ridiculously self-destructive sometimes.

Wedge: Doesn't believe in one. He really doesn't care what the Jedi go on about.

Scaramouche: Also doesn't believe in one. What is the point?

I still love that ficlet you wrote way back when about Ace and the afterlife and her stupid stubborn brother.

FYI.

*tackles*

(I SO need to get Sam back in-bar. GAH. That is my quest once Dean's Bound state wraps up. Yes. Possibly this week!)

Yes! Yes please, more Sam! I mean, ahem. That'd be brilliant.

Trowa doesn't really have a view of the afterlife. I don't think he really believes in one. But he's the kind of relentless pragmatist who's an atheist mostly by dint of not finding it relevant to think about unprovable religious things, so he'd shrug if you asked him.

River believes in the clearing. (Thanks, Roland et al!) That is, the Dark Tower-verse afterlife of the clearing at the end of the path, which is a place of peace where you're reunited with all your friends and so forth.

I'm not sure what she used to believe in before that, except that she's another who tends to ignore unprovable things that don't interest her, and is from a family that slants towards secular humanism. But this is something she saw Milliways evidence of, and heard about from someone who believed in it solidly and whose opinion she valued, and it's also a thought she finds comforting. So.

Regan is part of said secular humanist family, with roots in both Buddhism and Christianity. I think she has some sort of vague idea about reincarnation and karma and all that, but she isn't really certain.

Lan believes in reincarnation. Canon! Canonically supported as accurate to believe in! The Wheel of Time turns, as Lynne said. He also believes in death and the grave as peace; I'm not totally sure how these two fit together, but I'd assume a time of peace before you're reincarnated, or just the oblivion of passing from this current life, or something.

Piotr grew up a good Communist atheist. Then he died, had some sort of nebulously peaceful afterlife, and got brought back to life. It's a common thing among his circle of friends. So, uh, there's that! He doesn't really remember any of the post-death stuff, but I think he has an idea that there's something there. He doesn't think about it too hard, most of the time, but sometimes he broods. (Especially about his dead sister Illyana. Predictably.)

Honey is way too self-centered to dwell on that kind of thing. Edel is a puppet and didn't consider it at all relevant to her, and I'm not sure Uzura even understands the concept of death.

Hawkeye... I will have to ponder this one, actually.

She believes in God. She speaks of hell, but I don't know that that's meant to be an afterlife or just an abstract concept. She seems to be pretty secular, on the whole, and certainly very pragmatic. (It seems to be a theme of my characters.)

I'm pretty sure it's not something she wants to spend a lot of time thinking about, given her attitude towards some damning things she's done in the past. But that doesn't mean she doesn't think about it sometimes anyway.

Edited 2010-10-25 15:06 (UTC)

Yrael's view of Death is right through his door. In the Old Kingdom, the spirits of living things pass into Death, and are carried by the River through the Nine Precincts, until they reach the last, and are carried up to the stars in the Ninth Precinct, from which there is no return.

Strong spirits, or spirits called back by a necromancer before they reach the Ninth Gate, can delay in the River and seek ways of traveling back up the river and into Life, where they'll feed on the living.

The Abhorsen's job is to prevent this, and kick the asses of necromancers to try to facilitate this.

At some point I think I want Fin to see this. He doesn't understand Death as a concept, and this would certainly be interesting. >_>

Both of mine are currently going, "Why would you even ask that?!"

Mia used to think about it like Socrates and/or Plato's version of the afterlife in which it's like being asleep or your spirit got to mingle around with other spirits. And then Ghaleon stepped into the bar and it's become both of those things plus a bit of subtle (on her part; I'm the opposite of subtle about this :D)freaking out because Ghaleon's in the bar.

Lucas, being 10 years old in an extremely innocent place, didn't think too much about death and didn't really have much of a view on it. And then his mom died and that event has managed to completely destroy whatever life he knew in every way. If he allows himself to think too much on the afterlife now, the bulk of his definition will be, "It means Mom isn't here with me anymore," and everything he's doing to keep himself going will grind to a halt for a while. D:

Both Mike and Raph'll be retiring to the Hall of Lost Legends. Think "Temple of Small Gods", because it's something like that. The place in the multiverse where gods and myths go when people don't believe in them anymore.

And yeah, this is Mirage Canon.
*hugs canon tightly*

I haven't really given the Loompas too much of a belief system, save for the fact that the Inside Loompas, the ones locked away under Bar, are as Communists as Communists come.

Though, that doesn't stop them from telling their kids about the Wonka that lives under their beds.

Ida will blue screen, and that'll be about it.

Gordon is an atheist, and doesn't particularly believe in the afterlife. He's been exposed to the Vortigaunts' conceptions of interacting, interlinking being, however, so he's sort of tentatively poking at the idea of a sort of dissipated reincarnation- of the continuance of an individual's energies in a hundred million other places as part of the rest of existence. He doesn't really know.

Adrian, on the other hand, is firmly committed to the idea of Heaven being where the Lord tells you "you done good, son" and then lets you do whatever isn't sinful that makes you the happiest. He's pretty sure hunting's involved. And meeting some of his relatives he hasn't seen in years.

Bumblebee believes the Sparks of dead Cybertronians go back to join with the Allspark, the soul of Primus that sends forth little pieces of itself to become the Sparks of new Cybertronians. The physical manifestation of the Allspark was destroyed, but that energy, that being lives on, and will find another way...

LIFE WILL FIND A WAY BEE.

TRANSFORMER RAPTORS FUCK YEAH.

Re Gordon and Bumblebee: So, approximately the same as what I said for sprites. We really do need a concise term for this.

Hoffman was raised catholic non practicing right until his sister died. He's not a regular churchgoer, but he'd like to think Angie's in a nice place. Physically however he believes in the Church of John. It's like Babylon 5's Church of Joe..without the stupid and a cooler message.

cobb recreated his wife through his memories. God=pointless if one can bring the dead back to life in dreams.

ed...doesn't die really.

Alyx has experienced, firsthand, her world's afterlife. She doesn't remember much about it, and can't really articulate what she does remember, since it's not something the human mind is wired to comprehend. She knows for a fact, though, that there's nothing to fear on the other side.

Amascut actually used to help people reach the afterlife. Canon is silent about what it is, though. But her current thoughts...

"The dead need to stay dead. They need to stop existing completely. None of this shit with ghosts, ghouls, vampires, mummies, and zombies would be going on if I were still in charge. The current grim reaper is such an imbecile they will be begging me to return soon, no doubt."

Evil Chicken has caught glimpses of the afterlife and has decided he doesn't care for it thank you very much.

The Devil knows what afterlife is like, being an administrator of the 'lower half' of eternity. Of course, there will be no afterlife for her, since she is scheduled for destruction when not needed anymore.

Jordan Kennedy does not believe in any religion, and could not care less about afterlife. She hates the idea of having to follow some deity's codes to get a reward or avoid punishment.

Ryu Hayabusa believes in reincarnation and karmic balance, of course.

The Fledgling did not stop to think about it, but when she does, she will decide she's damned to hell when Final Death happens.

Connor is not much of a religious person, at all. Right now he hopes that when he bites it, he ends in Milliways. Later on as he moves through canon, his concepts will be shaken.

Tanya Adams does not believe in afterlife, god, heaven or anything.

Sativa's people have formed the belief that you are reunited with the spirits of your ancestors on another plane which apparently takes the shape of a great Vault in the sky.

She's not to clear on whether that includes just the people n her tribe, or everyone who dies or if it's going to get crowded with the accumulation ancestors, but either way she's in no hurry to find out first hand. It does sound nicer than just nothingness while your bones dry out in the desert sun, though.

Medusa's world's afterlife is part of her job - she guards one of the Gates of the Underworld. So, to her, the afterlife is a real, physical place where the mortals and nymphs go. Gods don't really die, and monsters...well, their spirits can go crowd around one of the lower Gates. Which is why Medusa doesn't really go down there, as she doesn't want to run into family.

Esfir was a good little Communist atheist. Then she died and came to M'ways, and was brought back to (semi-)life by a Viking deity, so now she's just confused. And doesn't think about it.

Kait is pretty much atheist, but spirits of dead people go...somewhere. I need to double-check canon, but pretty sure it's a 'beyond the veil' type deal.

Camille is pretty convinced her family is actually haunting her. Beyond that, she doesn't think about it.

Trudy is, hrm. There is a Heaven and there is a Hell, and she's ignored her conscience enough (and while she regrets having to do so, she knows that given those choices again, she'd go against her conscience again. It's a solider thing, which is why she gets twisted up on the issue of asking God to forgive her) that she's pretty sure she's going to the latter. She has no idea what'll be there, but yeah.

Annabelle Newfield: Is in her afterlife, at the moment. (The Milliways!afterlife is awesome, and she has no plans to trade it in for another model.) Before her death, she believed in Heaven and Hell, but it wasn't something she thought about much.

Kreyu: knows that she will reincarnate in the same form and regain her memories after her death, as she's done it before.

Alice: She doesn't believe in Heaven or Hell, because that would be like believing in the Postman, to paraphrase Terry Pratchett. She works for the Devil now, after all. I think she was something of an atheist in life.

Jake: When you're sleeping with one of the version of the Devil, it's hard not to believe in Hell.

Saturday: is an atheist.

Gus has always sort of been agnostic, leaning toward pantheist. For a while, he thought that the bar was some sort of limbo or purgatory, but that idea was eventually amended. There are days when he's pretty sure he's going to hell, though.

Penn and Teller both think that once you're dead, you're worm food. Nothing will change their opinion on this matter. They've been spending the last week practically defining atheism and scepticism in the bar.

Right now, Nicholas is still very Catholic, and his ideas reflect this. By the time he gets to canon, he's going to be so confused that he won't know what to think. He may fall back into religion at one point, but I've not decided. Probably CoE, if anything, if just because, well... Sandford.

Brock and Rusty both fall pretty close to pantheism as well, Brock more on the sexed-up atheist side of the spectrum, and Rusty closer to the 'not believing in god, but probably still going to hell' side of the spectrum (he often invokes 'god' in instances where it seems as though the entire universe is plotting against him, and never in a positive sense). So, probably worm food for Brock and hell for Rusty (he knows there's no way he's going to heaven by this point).

Oddly, and inexplicably, the boys seems very religious; at least early on. No one seems to know where that comes from.

Harold, perhaps ironically, prefers not to think about it. He doesn't want to get his hopes up.

Tim strikes me as at least an agnostic, if not a full-blown atheist. During his one big time-of-need crisis, he prayed to his Buffy poster, so there ya go. He was probably raised CoE, though. His idea of an afterlife changes to reflect his mood.

Jools was also raised CoE, and still believes in most, if not all of if it. Whether or not he fully understands it is another issue.

And because he's been eating my brain lately,

Travis has picked up a few Catholic beliefs here and there, because he was raised by a Catholic family since he was seven. Previous to that, there wasn't religion at all in his life, and he had problems accepting a lot of what Catholicism has to offer. He might go as far as a heaven and/or hell, but for the most part, I think he just goes on quietly disbelieving.

Alex Summers believes it is a revolving door that often spits out friends and enemies indiscriminately, but enemies more often than friends. He's not sure if he believes in a true afterlife, but he's met demons and gods, so he thinks it's possible.

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