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616 Ben accepts that killing is sometimes called for but he holds a firm line that he will not be the one to do it. With how easy it would be for him to kill most folks on the planet, he believes not killing is one of the few things that keeps him from being a monster. Same with maiming.

Ult. Ben is similar but his canon is a bit more "realistic" so super heroes killing happens. He still needs a very good reason to do so. He has maimed once, tearing off the wing of an alien that was trying to kill him and Reed.

Val von Doom is against killing and maiming, period.

Jessica Drew isn't against either per se but needs good reasons other wise she feels like the brainwashed assassin from HYRDA.

Julie Finster is against both.

Thalia Grace is fine with both when they happen to monsters but very against them if they happen to friends.

Artemus Gordon feels that if you draw a gun you'd better be okay with killing and being killed. Simple rule of his time.

Rincewind is very against killing and maiming in regards to himself. He's okay with them if they keep it from happening to him.

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Mine are a complete mix in terms of killing.

Will doesn't like killing but he knows it needs to be done at times to survive. Of mine I think he's probably killed the most in battle.

Sameth has a fear of Death and along with that killing isn't easy for him. He has been in battle and has killed, but those he fought were also Dead so its complicated. Also due to his Death sense, he can feel when someone dies, which messes with him.

Moist doesn't kill, when you just do scams people are perhaps not forgiving but as soon as there are bodies, there's lots of trouble.

William has yet to shoot to kill, but he has been in gunfights and I think if there was no other choice he would. At the end of his canon, he almost shoots Ben Wade.

Demeter doesn't kill that easily but she's all about transforming someone. Its a family tradition, not that much nicer a tradition but that's the Greek gods for you.

Jane can't imagine killing at all.

Tumnus isn't a fighter and I can't see him killing but he does understand the need for it.

The Pirate King is a pirate but he's also a Gilbert and Sullivan pirate so my feeling is that he hasn't killed as many people as he's said.

Dinah cannot and will not endorse or support it, no matter how 'evil' your enemies. It's just a line that she will not cross. Her martial arts training has created a young woman who abhors violence and will only use it to prevent further violence & suffering. And then, she prefers to use only enough to keep her opponent down. She has a thing about it.

Probably because when she is angry, and she does let loose, she knows just what kind of damage ahe can do. This applies to her superpower as well as her training.

Renee accepts that sometimes killing happens in the line of duty. She'll do it if she has to. She doesn't like it.

She still regrets not killing the man who murdered her partner.

Melaka will and has killed when she's figured it's the Right Thing to Do - either the person deserves to die or it'll end their suffering. She doesn't, as it happens, distinguish between humans and non-humans in that way, it's just that non-humans are what she kills.

That's because she thinks she has to walk that line. Because no one else should have to.

Will Turner has killed when he's had to - and by 'has to', we mean in protection of his life, the life of his father, wife and son. Probably also Jack, maybe. As to where he got those dead bodies in AWE, I'm chalking that up to insanity from separation form Elizabeth.

Death would like humanity to maybe calm down about it. Being killed by someone else can sometimes upset the corpse, and that makes his job harder.

Floyd Lawton doesn't see what all the fuss is about. But it makes him money, so.

Otherwise, death and maiming is just a side effect of shooting stuff.

For Amascut, killing is much much preferable to maiming, but given how bad she maimed the goddess Apmeken, she probably knows that maiming is inevitable, and sometimes it is the best you can do when it comes to something immortal.

Oh, yes, all that crazy talk implies that she is pro-kill.

I doubt Evil Chicken has any moral problems killing or maiming.

Teja has no problems with killing when the one he kills is an enemy; he can maim and torture as well when he sees the point. Urquhart has no problem with killing and maiming, full stop.

Tamara kills for food.

The others don't kill or maim, really.

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Bobby is against killing...maiming isn't really something he'd do on purpose.

KK has no problem killing and/or maiming at her own discretion, but isn't unnecessarily cruel to your average person.

Rapunzel knows that sometimes there are no other alternatives, but doesn't like thinking about it.

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Actually, to be more serious about it, Rachel sees a pretty big difference between killing in the middle of a battle in the middle of a war where you're outnumbered 6 to several-billion. That's one thing. And even then, she and all her teammates made something of an effort not to kill their own people.

(which is really not all that great when you remember that the alien invaders were not the creatures attacking them but the creatures inside the heads of the creatures attacking them. hooray for not killing humans but they mowed down a lot of very innocent Hork-Bajir and Tax-- well, no, not so much Taxxons.)

Anyway.

There's only been a few times where Rachel's been in a situation to mindfully kill/maim someone, outside of battle, outside of life-and-death situation. She has a lot of Feelings about this that have yet to be addressed, though.

Maiming as a general rule, however, is pretty okay.

Atton Rand really has no problem with killing. The dude has been in wars since he was sixteen - in one of those wars, he was an assassin. Killing is kind of second nature to him, and he doesn't give it much thought at all.

Dalek ... look, let's not go there, man.

Inui Takumi has a very strict 'no killing humans' rule, but he'll kill his own species left, right and centre. Towards the end of the series, his definition of human gets a little weird in that it expands to include any Orphenoch that is essentially a good person, though.

Teddy Lupin is, in theory, okay with killing if it's strictly necessary. We'll see how well that philosophy holds up if it ever becomes strictly necessary.

Victor Mancha is against killing. Full stop. He's not only totally against killing anyone, but he's naturally suspicious of anybody who isn't.

The Prince - huh, we never actually see him kill anyone in canon, Corrupted (who aren't really alive) notwithstanding. He probably has no problem with killing people trying to kill him, though.

Sparrow Crane is fueled by sweet, delicious vengeance, and so takes the viewpoint that anybody who dies in his quest to take down Lucien is an entirely necessary casualty. That doesn't stop him from having the occasional breakdown over it.

Seamus Finnigan is totally against killing. Completely. But inevitably, the Battle of Hogwarts is going to come along sooner or later, and the chances of him not killing someone and then breaking would be considerably less slim if I wasn't me.

Thanks to Matrix, Enzo knows for a fact that he's capable of killing. I think he finds that worrying at times, but, unlike Bob, he does feel that in the case of some bad guys it's necessary. He also feels that it ought to be the last resort.

Karkat is more mixed than people might think at first glance! And it kind of depends on what you mean by the question.

He is more or less inured to killing and maiming of all kinds; he passes out when he sees Tavros cut in half in front of him, but he hadn't slept properly in weeks, it was completely unexpected, even more extreme than usual, and "friendly fire." He's seen it done before, and he shrugs most of it off. He has to or he'd go crazy by now. You have to keep your empathy ducts squeezed tight to survive on Alternia.

But he doesn't like it, the way some trolls do; his ideal of romantic hatred and "normal" aggression doesn't include the out-of-control levels of it death and destruction that obtain on Alternia, and an adult life of just killing and maiming aliens isn't very attractive. That's all part of the wellspring of his bottomless rage at his own existence.

He is less willing to kill or maim another troll (humans also) than he probably "should" be, culturally (Vriska says so), but more willing than the average human would be. It isn't a jar to his mental universe, certainly. He has killed and maimed imps, ogres, basilisks, giclopses, liches and other grist constructs, as well as the cloned soldiers of Derse, in their... thousands, probably, and could not give less of a shit. This applies to the monstrous animals of Alternia, too, although a lusus is different.

...also, given the troll instincts and bottomless rage, when he does actually cut loose with the sickle he has been known to get pretty ~~adora~~bloodthirsty. Hacking limbs off can be pretty therapeutic.

The rules, as always, are different when it's his friends.

X-23 believes killing is very often the most efficient and effective way of protecting people. She has no qualms about it. She thinks it is important not to enjoy it, though. She is also perfectly willing not to kill, either because her opponents need to be alive to give information (and/or be interrogated), or because she has been given specific instructions to refrain from killing. Those instructions have to come from someone she trusts to give her commands, however. Random passerby need not apply. She's got nothing against maiming, either, because sometimes it is the most effective way to get things done.

Raven has no qualms about killing. Or maiming. Sometimes maiming teaches useful life lessons! So does killing, though generally not to the people who get dead. So it goes.

Dean Winchester has no issues with killing all of the monsters all of the time. He started off with more issues about killing people -- particularly possesssed people -- but circumstances have made that last part a lot more difficult than it used to be. And saving Sam wins out over everything. Maiming is . . .also on the table. Sometimes. Judiciously. Not very often.

Flemeth likes to eat people. *solemn*

Michael prefers not to kill when it is avoidable, especially when it is humans. They are her charges, not her opponents. Other people would be wiser not to challenge her.

Nynaeve al'Meara is a healer, not a killer. She's been in battle, though, and she does not judge people who do kill, as long as it is not sating an urge, and rather is a means of defending the people they consider 'theirs'. Murder = bad, killing in battle = as close to okay as she will get with that kind of thing. Death is not something she enjoys.

Galadan sees killing and maiming as tools and weapons in his arsenal, most of the time. He also gets a vicious sense of pleasure from battle and hunting -- particularly successful battles and hunts. There are reasons his other car is a wolf. I mean form. His other form is a wolf.

Sam Tyler does not really like killing people. Or maiming people. Or even punching people (or even walls or tables) in the course of interrogation. He is very much against it, in fact. He is also pants at shooting people in general. He prefers to talk his way out of things, or talk people down. He believes very firmly in the power of rational man. Sometimes this is good! Sometimes it gets him in boatloads of trouble. Oh Sam.

Wonder Woman is not opposed to killing people (human or non-human) and monsters when necessary. Sometimes the people are the monsters. The reverse is also true. But for her it is always a deliberate choice, no 'heat of the moment' impulses there, nor is death always a foregone conclusion when someone goes up against her. But striking to kill his not her last-ditch panic response, either. It's too important a kind of choice for that. Deliberate or nothing, I think, even with Maxwell Lord.

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Steph is ... not innately unwilling to kill, but has worked to change her opinions about this for a very long time because all she has ever wanted is to be a Bat and the Not Killing is a big part of that. Then she was recently killed herself because she didn't kill him when she had the chance, though. So ... things are complicated there.

Jason will kill, maim, or both, if he believes it's right to do it. He is particularly merciless on people who sell drugs to kids. But he doesn't mind blowing up a building or two either and doesn't pay much attention to bystanders in the slightest. He is the anti-Batman and he likes it that way.

Felix doesn't like killing. One of his major mantras is that "there is always choice", and if you kill someone they don't have any choices left. There are circumstances in which he'd be willing to kill, but so far it hasn't actually come to that. Maiming... I have no idea. Yes, he uses an edged weapon, but he's from a JRPG, so it's all hitpoint-based

Kain, at least in theory, has no qualms about killing enemies, even enemy civilians. However, since Baron hasn't been in a war since he was quite young, he's never actually had enemies to kill. He says he'd prefer not to maim, since a person you injure is more likely to seek revenge.

Karis doesn't want to kill. Usually, at least; once she gets to know Arcanus, she'll be willing to have him dead, although she'd prefer not to do the deed herself. (Tyrell thinks he's willing, but then he's a fire Adept. Karis isn't quite as hot-blooded.)

Fluttershy's against it. (I know, huge surprise.) She's the Element of Kindness, and from a kids' show, and fond of animals. That said, the last point complicates things a little; she's very much aware of carnivores, and appears to make a habit of bringing fish to ferrets. So it might be more accurate to say that she's understanding about killing-to-eat. I'm convinced, though, that her greatest wish would be for no one - pony or not - to be hurt.

Alex is, um. There's actually some discussion about that, because Alex is theoretically not allowed weapons and things. Which means that, in practice, he often finds very creative ways of being lethal, and it results in some very... skewed views on the kind of damage he causes. On the one hand, basically all of the people he kills/gets killed were either actively threatening or had been threatening him, so where it's not self-defence, it tends to be him snapping after some kind of serious trauma (like when he killed Dr. Grief in Point Blanc). ...I'm not really sure what to say about the whole thing during his RTI training where he, um, rolled the unit conducting their training off a cliff (they lived! they... were not uninjured, but they lived!), except that he had been informed they had a lot of leeway regarding how much they could do to Alex's unit and had been known to step beyond even that, so.

Yeah.

But in Scorpia, Alex is considered by a psychologist to not have the correct mindset to become an assassin (there was this whole thing about how, in his training, he was getting really high marks with a gun, but when they put pictures on the targets, he was nowhere near as good). Basically, Alex has killed, but somewhere in his head he's filed it all away as some cross between self-defence and 'it doesn't count because all I did was set things into motion'. Which. Whatever lets him sleep at night, honestly.

Kirk is not big on killing, but will do it. Gibbs has no compunctions. Cyborg is not one for killing but will hurt as needed. Knox accepts the need for violence, but is glad there is a civilian review board for cops kill. And Charlie is ever more a pacifist.

Ellen doesn't like killing, but she doesn't have a non-lethal setting. Even when she's in hand to hand fighting the automatic assumption is that she's going to die if she doesn't kill the other person first, because that's what happens in the Capital Wasteland. On the other hand, she has major issues with pre-emptive killing and killing people who can't fight back.

Gordon... does not like killing humans. Combine don't count. There isn't anything human left there. Stalkers, he feels, are more human than any Combine soldier. Killing them is an act of mercy, and he can do that- he doesn't like it, but he'll do it.

I don't think he's ever said it in-game, but Adrian has said in my head that "I kill shit so folks don't die. That's my job, that's what I do. That's what I'm for. Killin' shit so folks don't die." He's had some time to think about this; the umbrella of 'killin' shit' includes edible wildlife and creatures that can/do prey on humans as much as it does hostile humans, hostile former humans, and hostile nonhuman sapients. For a twenty-two-year-old he's done a lot of thinking about his place in life.

Ray's only act of violence against a human was punching Walter Peck in the face, and he's gone out of his way to prevent attempts on the lives of Elder Things and other sapient nonhumans. He's killed some demons and such in his time, but only because trapping them and removing them was completely out of the question. He doesn't really have it in him to get comfortable with actual killing.

Varric is the kind of dwarf who would answer a HYDRA trooper's cry of "HYDRA is immortal! Cut off one head and two more arise!" with a massive volley of crossbow bolts and a cheerful "Let's go find two more!"

Arcade really, really, really doesn't like killing. Human, animal or otherwise. It's something you do in self defense and maybe to get food if you haven't got a better option. That being said, he's good at it, because he feels that it should be done quickly and put aside equally quickly, like any other shameful but necessary act.

Fawkes spent close to two hundred years in an isolation cell where he was periodically tormented and generally treated horribly by the other supermutants of Vault 87. When philosophy in his computer database didn't console him, the prospect of vengeance did. He's quite happy to indulge his more primal side in the interest of eradicating evil and the occasional bout of massive but justified retaliation.

Medic: Oooh! Spare parts!

Mordin... allow me to quote his canon. ""He's not a normal doctor! Doctors don't shoot people and display the corpses out front as a warning!" Also, "Lots of ways to help people. Sometimes heal patients; sometimes execute dangerous people. Either way helps." That being said, he is firmly convinced that if you're going to kill someone, do so only if it's genuinely necessary. Life exists for a reason and shouldn't be taken lightly.

And Belar is the bear-god of a race of screaming berserkers who invented piracy. Among other things. So, yeah.

You're askin' like there's somethin' wrong with 'em.

Alyx has no qualms about killing if the situation calls for it. As far as she's concerned, some things--and some people--just need to die. Oddly enough, though, she finds mercy-killing something she's just not capable of. She considers this to be a significant character flaw, given how many ways there are to not quite die in her world.

D0G is a robot. He kills when someone tells him to kill, or when something's threatening somebody he likes. He isn't fussed about it one way or the other.

Artie is... ambivalent. He believes himself capable of killing if it were absolutely necessary, but it hasn't been, yet, and he hopes to God it never is.

Twilight is, frankly, appalled that anyone would even ask how she feels about such a thing. Ah, Y-rated canons, so charmingly naive...

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Ace: Is almost literally of two minds about this. On one hand, you've got the rational being who, while being an incurable pyromaniac and general adventurer by trade doesn't actually like killing people. She'd rather they just all behaved themselves, and she could get on with hanging out at the beach and ogling cabana boys (and/or her husband). This, however, does not go for Daleks. Kill and maim them, please. On the other hand, there's the irrational, bloodthirsty cheetah, who just wants to know if it'll be a good hunt. If the answer is 'yes', by all means, go ahead. *facepalm*

Katya: Will, with great efficiency, kill and maim Dark Others given half a chance. It's what she's been brought up and trained to do since she was a very little girl, which was a long while ago. She doesn't particularly take joy in it, it's just what is. Humans, on the other hand, are off-limits. Even the annoying ones.

Romana: Does not approve of killing and/or maiming. She's much more the 'talk at them until they see reason' type. Or the 'if they won't see reason, sabotague the hell out of their equipment' type. >.> She had a bad influence in her first incarnation.

Laranth: Also does not, in general, approve of killing and/or maiming. She is damned good at it, however. After Order 66, these skills become rather overused - she isn't just about to surrender and get slaughtered.

Cal: Has very set rules about killing/maiming. He is, actually, good at the maiming, and not half bad at killing. Comes from his background - he's been a not-nice person for a fair bit of it. However, these days he tends to be on the side of the angels. However, if someone's going after his daughter (and to a slightly lesser degree Foster, or anyone else on his team) he gets ruthless in a hurry.

Shaz: Is anti-killing/maiming. She's actually somewhat horrible at it in general. Yet another reason she hero-worships DI Drake - Drake actually hit the Guv. And made it stick. That's amazing. Also, considering the time frame she lives in, this whole not wanting to kill/maim/hurt in general is not exactly helping her career.

Balthazar: Won't hesitate for a New York minute if it is to protect either innocent humans or one of his own. Would rather die than kill/maim indiscriminately, or for reasons not otherwise stated.

Glorfindel: Is rather the same as Balthazar, though he'll also quite happily go after anyone his lord tells him to - because he trusts his lord to not abuse that power. He's also very, very, very good at killing and/or maiming, and if he's doing it, he doesn't waste time about it. See: Balrog.

McCoy: Is deeply anti-killing/maiming, and will rant at length about how that is how it should be. He is very pro-sedating. With or without permission. :D

So I was just lookign at my RSS feed, saw this () and immediately thought of Katya. = D

Edited 2011-08-07 21:57 (UTC)

Okay, I don't know my my link isn't working. I'll look closer when I'm on my desktop.

So let's try and give a link to this animated gif of a tiger (http://animalblog.me/post/8606026231) again shall we?

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Heee! Katya approves.

I really should answer this with Mia since it's come back to her in Milliways.

She has stated before that she doesn't enjoy the thought of taking someone's life. She has fought to defend herself and the world and, as a result, some have died. This is my diplomatic way of putting things while Mia no longer shies away from the fact that she is a killer. She didn't want to do it but she has accepted that there are people who need to be stopped and if other means do not work, that is what she must do.

Ghaleon, being the one person she's killed that has come to Milliways, doesn't seem to hold this against her. If anything, he's admitted that it was the only way to stop him and, having quite a bit of time to think about his actions, he's recognized that he needed to be stopped. This validation doesn't comfort Mia, though.

Strong Bad has attempted to kill and/or maim several of his Free Country cohorts in cartoon-violence ways, and once accidentally commissioned the Heavy to whack the King of Town. The Cheat has threatened to gnaw off some faces.

Hiro and Obi-Wan don't enjoy killing or maiming, but they canonically recognize that it sometimes becomes necessary. (Remember, Obi-Wan was the first person we ever saw induct someone into the Severed Limbs of Star Wars Club.)

For Rukia, sending souls on to the next life is not just an adventure, it's her duty as a shinigami. Ryûk considers killing fun, whether done by Note, as a result of Note writing, or just as a natural consequence of humans being so much fun. Their views on maiming are more debatable.

Mun: *asks pups* Maiming and killing?

Yrael: "Ooh, when shall we start?"
Zelgadiss: "If we must, then sure."
Sunshine: "Plz no."

Clementine: See icon. She sort of relishes it, too, especially if the perp is an asshole.

Dixie: Will kill if she has to, if it's morally correct. Originally, she would kill if it were in her best interests.

It's all good fun so long as the prey can fight back.

Spike certainly has killed those who can't, but there's no sport in it -- he only does so as a last resort, like when Dru was sick and needed breakfast in bed, or when that prat Angelus had a hard on for one of his oh-so-artistic scenarios.

Maiming is never something he does on purpose, though he doesn't shy away from it either -- it's an occasional inevitable side effect of fighting, which is the main thing.

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