ATTN: MOD POST

[sophistry]

Hello, Milliwaysers! I meant to get this post up yesterday, but then I accidentally a house full of cousins for twelve hours. Twelve! Relatives, I love you, but don't you know that I have the internet to attend to? Anyway.

Per Cam's last post on the subject, and given the fact that Dreamwidth staff will soon be lifting the final restrictions (official and unofficial) on community imports, we figured it was finally time to pop the question:

Milliways, will you move to Dreamwidth with us?

Most of you have probably heard the arguments for moving by now - or if you haven't, you can probably pretty well imagine them on your own. But this is a hell of a big decision, and we'd be doing both the game and all of you a disservice if we didn't go thoroughly into our reasoning, and allow you to do the same.

Probably the biggest argument in favour of staying (aside from the hassle of having to get set up and figure your way around a new platform, or of having to divide your attention between LJ and DW), is that LJ has promised to provide, at some point in the future, an S2 style that mimics the old look of the site and restores functionality such as subject lines.

Our counter-point to this is twofold: firstly, to be perfectly frank, we no longer trust LJ as far as we can throw them. They have consistently demonstrated a policy of disregard and dishonesty towards a large part of their userbase, and as far as we are concerned, the promise of an individual user style, to be delivered at some unknown date and that will theoretically make the site usable again, is no longer enough to go on.

Secondly, Ilya Dronov has also stated that LJ's new comment 'innovations' will eventually be applied to S2 styles as well, removing subject lines and thus well and truly breaking LJ for anyone who wants to use it for anything involving long threads. This may or may not affect the 'old look' S2 style; you'd think that it wouldn't, but we wouldn't bet money on it. This also may or may not include such current highlights from the new default as: no longer displaying any comments, anywhere, made by now-deleted journals, busted icon selection, etc.

If you're not convinced by the nebulous spectre of further redesign flustercucks, we submit to you the full list of LiveJournal redesign prototypes, courtesy of Art Lebedev, the design company responsible for the new comment pages. One way or another, these changes are coming, and if the response to Release 88 wasn't proof positive that LJ does not and will not listen to user protests, then we don't know what is.

LiveJournal is no longer a friendly home for fandom. Whether or not you believe that LJ is embarrassed by us, or actively wants us gone from the service, the truth is this: for several years now, LJ has been moving further and further in a direction that is fundamentally oppositional to fannish usages of the site, and is likely to continue to do so. (See also: this translation of an interview with Ilya Dronov, about LiveJournal usage models.)

Will people continue to try and find hacks and tweaks and workarounds to solve the problems that LiveJournal creates, and fix the things that LiveJournal breaks? Undoubtedly. Will they be effective in the long term? Who knows. What's more important is that we shouldn't have to be treading water, here. We shouldn't have to be fighting LiveJournal at every step just to make the site usable again.

We'd love to be able to stay. LiveJournal has been our home since Milliways first opened its doors, and the prospect of leaving it behind is causing no small amount of heartache. If we thought that staying put was a viable option, or in the best interests of the game, you wouldn't be reading this post. But if not now, we believe that the situation will soon become untenable; that LJ are liable to end up removing more and more functionality that is absolutely key to communities such as this, without regard for the users who rely on it. Given the choice, we as mods would rather make sure the game is safe and its continued existence secured, than wake up one morning to find that LJ has irretrievably broken or deleted some part of it.

At the end of the day, Milliways itself, its amazing history and the incredible community of players surrounding it, are more important to us than the platform supporting it, and we want to preserve that as best we can.

But that's where you guys come in. Without players, there's no game, and although we fervently believe that moving to Dreamwidth is the right choice for Milliways, it's important to us that you all get the chance to have your say, and to be a part of this decision. This poll will remain open until midnight EST on Tuesday. Without a majority vote in favour of the move, Milliways will be staying put.

[Poll #1809230]

If you're uncertain about the move, or have any concerns you'd like to discuss with us before casting your vote, please, please do speak up. This is a crucial decision and you guys are the lifeblood of the game, and we want to do everything we can to assuage your worries about any aspect of the move.

Some final notes:

• Dreamwidth can be a little complex to get to grips with. While much of it has grown from the LiveJournal source code, both its greatest asset and (sometimes) its greatest weakness is the abundance of choice it provides. So many options! For everything! Fortunately, they have a wealth of resources to help LiveJournal refugees find their way around the new site - and if you're ever lost, simply speaking up in the comments of a news post is usually enough to guarantee you an avalanche of helpful replies.
  
  
• Seriously, if you're ever in any doubt about how much Dreamwidth values their userbase, or how well they grok the needs of fandom, just check out the comments to any news post. Or their Diversity Statement. Or their Guiding Principles. Without getting sanctimonious, it's not hard to see why we think Dreamwidth is the best possible home for Milliways.
  
  


• Yes, we have had a number of people come out of the woodwork when Milliways has been mentioned in DW news posts, saying that they'd love to join (or re-join) if Milliways were to make the move. But while that is a pretty damn sweet thing to hear, we do not value courting new players over making sure that the players we do have are as happy as possible with whatever the eventual decision is.
  
  


• Given the massive and continuing influx of users from LJ, DW has decided to let account creation remain open indefinitely. This means that if you have not yet created or mirrored any accounts that you might wish to, you can still do so for free without an invite code.
  
  


• Before you ask, we have been thinking about the specific mechanics of moving the game to Dreamwidth, and we have also been considering ways in which a move might be used as an opportunity to (optionally) free up retired characters. However, to avoid complicating the issue and trying to have conversations about too many things at once, these topics will be up for discussion separately, at a later date. This post is purely for deciding whether or not the move should happen, and for us to address your concerns regarding the issue.

ETA: The comments are starting to get a bit lengthy, so to save you having to wade through all of them to see if we've addressed your concerns already, here's a quick list of the issues that have already come up:

• Is this decision being made in haste? (2)


• Can Dreamwidth even handle the increased load in traffic? / Can they handle an import of our size?


• How can I track activity in the game if it moves? Can I keep up with it via LJ?


• Couldn't we just keep crossposting?


• What about broken links/OOMs/deleted journals?


• How is Milliways going to handle the need for invite codes? (2)


• What if people can't get the same username on DW?


• Shouldn't we just wait and see if LJ fixes/find workarounds that fix the problem?


• What if DW sells out and puts ads on its site?


• What if we lose players who don't move with us?


• Isn't DW more expensive than LJ?

And remember, if at any point you wish to change your vote, you can do so here.

Comments

[sdelmonte]

I want to state that while I am not in favor of moving the game, I will follow it to wherever it goes.

[sdelmonte]

Also, if the Bar is moving, there should be some sort of plot involving the Bar moving or otherwise being disrupted. Anyone got any ideas?

[spiderine.livejournal.com]

I will follow or stay as is decided by the community at large. I know I'm not often very active these days, but I consider Milliways one of my online homes and read it every day.

Frankly, LJ just pisses me off. Before my financial situation tanked, I've had up to four paid accounts at once but I'll be damned if I give them one more cent of the money I don't have (LOL).

In short, I'm with y'all no matter what. Excelsior!

[dynastessa]

This, exactly.

Milliways is definitely one of my online homes, and certainly my dearest, so I'm fine to move wherever the game is going.

[the_croupier]

I'm sure this has probably come up in discussions already, but it's worth pointing out that this isn't so much 'moving' Milliways as 'copying' Milliways,' given the possibility of crossposting from DW to LJ.

I've been bothered by a lack of a backup for Milliways ever since I started in 2005, and one of the bonuses of trying this is that it might end up being a proof of concept that we could create a *real* backup for the community. Just copying it to DW isn't that, but it's a step in that direction. And it will offer the opportunity to learn first-hand what kind of challenges would be involved in creating that genuine backup. (For example, just how big a problem will broken links be? Dropped icons? Old and deleted pup accounts? Etc.)

Given how much time and thought and care so many people have put into this game since 2004, I definitely approve of not leaving its sole survival in the hands of a single site, no matter what it's done or how it's behaved.

[sophistry]

Unfortunately, while individual accounts can crosspost from DW to LJ, at the moment there isn't anything in place that allows for automatic crossposting to communities on either of the two sites, nor do I think that functionality is planned (though I could always be wrong). Plus, even if community crossposting were possible, that wouldn't address the issue of separate comment threads on LJ vs. DW, or how those could be reconciled or... man, I don't even know what, it makes me dizzy just thinking about it. @_@

The long and short of it is, while we would have a copy of Milliways as it was up until the move, continuing to duplicate the game across platforms on an ongoing basis would be an almighty headache. If we move, the archives of milliways_bar here will remain intact (LJ permitting, anyway), but active playing here would cease. Meanwhile, all of said archives would also be imported to milliways_bar, which is where the game would continue.

Regarding the issue of old accounts, icons, etc., Dreamwidth is actually planning some features which will help ameliorate the effects of a move. As I'm sure you're aware, all comments and community posts are imported to DW attached to the LJ OpenID of the original author. However, DW are working on a feature whereby a Dreamwidth account can 'claim' an OpenID - so all imported posts/comments attributed to that OpenID will be attributed to the linked DW account instead. And, if the DW account has its icons keyworded the same as the old LJ account, the correct icon will then show up on said posts/comments. It won't fix everything, but it's a big step.

Re: broken links, presumably all imported posts with hand-coded links will leave those links pointing to the same place. So, for example, all imported OOM posts will still link to the original locations of the OOMs here on LJ. As long as the journals are still there, the content should remain accessible. Alternatively, if players were planning to delete their LJ-side journals (or just wanted to be sure their links wouldn't fall prey to any LJ hijinks), they could always use the imported tags and go back to switch their OOM links to point to mirrored DW versions of the originals. Hasslesome, but then, I don't think there's ever going to be a perfect solution.

[tauntingdragons.livejournal.com]

While I think the majority does want to move and this might not be an issue anyway, I'm afraid that if we do stay we'll lose players and/or activity will decline greatly because people are so fed up with LJ as is, so, as I'm seeing it, the only thing to do is vote in favor of the move?

Honestly though, I don't have any particularly strong feelings about what's happened regarding all of these LJ changes and whether Milliways stays or goes; I'll just follow the game.

[vivien]

I think moving is a smart decision. LJ is no longer my fandom home. I think if a community as big as Milliways moved to DW, then we'd be bringing even more fandom there to make it our home.

[vivien]

More thoughts:

I think, as we make decisions, we have to consider the the fact that there are at least two people who cannot play easily at Milliways because their accessibility programs can't work thanks to the fuckery. That number could be three if my RSS issues come back. That alone is not cool.

I always got annoyed with the DW evangelists back in the day, but dude, it's time. We'll figure out invite codes, and we won't break DW - I mean, if it was 2005, maybe I'd be worried, but I don't think the traffic we have is going to be daunting in the least.

We will lose people if we move. That will be sad. We may gain people if we move. That will be cool. But when we move, we will be in a place where anyone can play in the way they've been accustomed to playing.

I will not be RPing at LJ anymore. I've used DW as my primary place for well over a year now, and I am not interested in coming back.

[batyatoon]

I am definitely in favor of moving, but if the game does not move I intend to stay here with it.

Also I agree with Alex that there should be a plot of some kind regarding the move. :D But that's for later discussion, I think.

[mnt_raph]

*grins*

I've a couple of ideas...

[ceitfianna]

I'm not sure at this moment I have a clear yes or no answer, because I will follow the game wherever it goes.

The thing that's been worrying me about the idea of the move as how it seems to have been pulled into happening by the current problems. Reading this I know that isn't the truth and that this has been considered for a while, which reassures me a lot.

I think maybe I do have an answer then, but thank you for laying this all out so clearly.

[stillbecoming]

I couldn't read parts of this post from my unpaid account because of the ads floating right over the text, so...

I definitely sympathize with people who don't want to move, but at least right now, DW is significantly easier for me to use, so I'd be in favor.

[death_gone_mad]

Adblock will fix that. I don't know what LJ was thinking with those silly ads. Possibly it was a mistake in the code for the new comment style, but it should have been fixed by now.

It's a shame other sites won't get their ad money now because of LJ's silliness and my laziness.

[spooky-lemur.livejournal.com]

I'm for moving but will stay and play if the bar stays here. The game is more important to me than who hosts it. I do feel the learning curve of DW is pretty minor but YMMV! = D

And if we do decide to have a bar plot regarding the move, I'd happily volunteer Rincewind as a chicken little type persona to "announce" that something is wrong or happening. ;p

[magneticxman]

I've been waiting for Milliways to move since the strikeouts. I'm glad the discussion is happening now, when a total move is feasible. Dw will be a learning curve, but I think it will be worth it.

[alas-a-llama.livejournal.com]

I support a move over to DW, although if we decide to stick around on LJ, I'm not going to drop the game.

I understand some people's problems with it, and I'd hope that there'd be ways we can figure out workarounds for those, but LJ does seem to be crumbling a little - I can't even view all of this page because of floating ads - and it seems like it'll only get worse.

[death_gone_mad]

Adblock!

[cameoflage.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I don't trust LJ to hold my weight when I step on it anymore, and hardly anyone else wants to deal with it either. I don't play any characters at Milliways proper so far, but LJ being crap is the foremost factor stopping me from apping any characters right now. Partly because I'm not happy with LJ, but mostly because so many other people want to move to Dreamwidth (and are already having fun with our sandboxes over there). I don't want to swell LJ's ranks when everyone else is jumping ship.

[rushin-doll.livejournal.com]

While I don't have a problem with the idea of moving the game in general (I mean, clearly LJ can be aggravating at times), I do have one major concern.

Have we got any idea how we're going to handle invite code requirements? If I remember my timelines correctly, Milliways has never had to deal with the things since the game started after LJ dropped them.

I'm sure there are solutions we can come up with, but have we come up with them yet?

Because my biggest worry is that a move to a space where invite codes are required will end up creating an extra barrier to entry (one more step) that people have to deal with to app new characters. And, what's more, this will be more likely to block a totally new player from apping than an existing player from picking up a new character.

I don't think that I can, in good conscience, vote to move the game until/unless we've got that particular issue nailed down with some sort of really slick solution.

Perhaps overly worried,
Ana

[mnt_raph]

Perhaps we could form a Ways_Invite comm where those with many/lots of invite codes could offer them to those wot need them.

I took advantage of the holiday invite code amnesty to move most, if not all, of my rpg characters to DW, so I have a good chunk of invite codes that could easily be given up to good homes.

[mnt_raph]

Dear Milliways,

I'm sad to report that you're stuck with me for the foreseeable future. If you go to DW, which I hope you do because this LJ commenting thing is CRAP, I'll be there. If you stay on LJ...I'll still be here.

Lurking.
Waiting.
Rewriting popular songs to befit the evil that is The Oompa Loompas.

Reasons for No (ATM) and, Should the Move Happen, A Way To Save Money with Icons

[fire-and-a-rose.livejournal.com]

Reasons for No (ATM) and, Should the Move Happen, A Way To Save Money with Icons:

The following reasons are why I say no, or at least, let us not decide this now nor in the near future.

Some reasons are much smaller and less important than others. I realize this, but, after all, in the end, this is about a game. One dear to many of us, one that many of us are invested in to one level or another--but it is, still, just a game. While it is important to many, I think that needs to be kept in mind.

The following are why I say Not At This Time:

1) The heat of the moment is not the best time, generally, to make decisions.
2) Some people will not be able to get the same username they have here.
3) I understand people feeling betrayed, in a way, by LJ: this as a big-time LJ screw-up. But I'd also say that 85-95% of the time they've made such screw-ups in the past, they have eventually fixed them. I'd like to give them time to do so now.
4) Money. I think this is a very large one, which should be given a great deal of thought. Paid accounts and icons both are MUCH more expensive at DW than at LJ.
5) DW has no ads, true. Once upon a time, LJ said it would never have ads--then a new owner arrived, and things changed. Same could happen with DW. I'd love to believe it won't, but we can't know that.
6) The problems wrt posting a new comment: there are ways to get around it. It may take time, but it can be done.
7) I think some people we value as both good players and friends won't move to DW with Milliways; I'd rather not lose them.

I voted "no" in the poll, but I mean, "No, to be reconsidered in 6-8 weeks," so:
- we can see how things have gone.
- decisions aren't made in the heat of the moment.
- LJ has a chance to make it right.

---

SHOULD THE DECISION TO MOVE BE MADE NOW, HOWEVER: I would like to share the following tutorial.

DW icons @ free accounts are very limited in number. As said, DW costs more.

I posted a...rather long time ago, I realize, about a way to have as many icons as you want for free and to fit them into a comment so they look nice, as long as you have no default icon, and I'm including that info here again. I personally have all of my icons for prydeful uploaded on one page on my server, so I can copy the url and insert it with the coding to make it look nice. I will create pages and FTP accounts for anyone who would like them--be it for LJ or DW use--to have all the icons for all the pups they want on one page. You can host them anyway, though, that allows you to link and embed images. I simply find it easiest to have all of the icons on one single html page, especially when I want to add a new one. It's also very easy, access-wise.

The tutorial can be found on LJ here (http://fire-and-a-rose.livejournal.com/1447625.html) and on DW here (http://fire-and-a-rose.dreamwidth.org/5374.html)

---

As said, my opinion is less, "No," and more, "Let us wait a while, calm down, see what happens, and then vote over what to do." I listed the reasons I did only so they could be considered by anyone who wants to.

However it works out, I hope as many people as possibly find a way to continue to play, even if they are not thrilled with the results. :)

Re: Reasons for No (ATM) and, Should the Move Happen, A Way To Save Money with Icons

[sophistry]

Actually, assuming that RPers are overall more inclined to opt for accounts with greater numbers of icon slots and/or pay for extra icon packages, LJ and DW overall work out much of a muchness.

More details can be found in the cost analysis part of this post, but in summary:

Paid account with 100 icons on DW: $17.50 (6 months) // $35 (12 months)
Paid account + 70-icon package on LJ: $21 (6 months) // $29.95 (12 months)

Premium account with 250 icons on DW: $25 (6 months) // $50 (12 months)
Paid account with 240 icon slots on LJ: $33 (6 months) // $49.95 (12 months)

The above does not include LJ's free loyalty userpics, but also assumes you are using LJ's automatic payments. If you have automatic payments turned off, LJ actually gets more expensive.

[weaverandom.livejournal.com]

I'm very much in favour of moving.

[death_gone_mad]

I am with fire_and_a_rose in that I believe people should take the time to calm down before making a decision like this, but... I will vote yes. It has been two weeks. And yes, it might be unfair to the people who have been away on holiday but we can't wait around forever to make the decision.

I only fear that if we do move that people will delete their LJ pup journals instead of just downgrading them, either because they are DW fanatics and hate LJ or are LJ fanatics and will hate Milliways for moving to DW.

Fanaticism on either side will be bad. There are some new things to adjust to at DW, but it will be less complex of an adjustment than the future Art Lebedev has in mind. I can adjust either way, though.

[oxfordtweed]

I can't speak for anyone else, but even though I'm super flippin' annoyed with LJ, I've no plans on deleting pup journals.

Whether or not LJ does so due to inactivity or whatever, because who knows what their plans are, is another reason entirely. And honestly, the way they're going, I wouldn't be surprised if they declared this sort of thing suddenly against the TOS anyway and deleted RP accounts on principle. I really wouldn't be surprised to see a second wave of strikethrough within the next year.

[have_no_mercy]

I realize I am not the majority and if the game does move over to DW, which I am expecting, I will not be following. This is a decision I made pretty much when the whole kerfuffle started and not one I made lightly.

[sophistry]

I'm sorry to hear that. Is there anything we could do that might alleviate any issues you have with a move, or is it simply a 'not my thing', uh... thing?

[lunamystic]

I love this game. It has been a part of my life for seven years. This amazing community of people has seen me through some of the hardest times of my life. Most of my friends play or have played in the bar. That's pretty neat. I will stay with the game wherever it exists, one way or another.

That said, I am very much in favor of moving because LJ has made it all but impossible for me to play here. It's an accessibility issue. I have nerve problems in my arms that aren't going to go away. I have to (or should, though I'm not able to at the moment) use voice recognition software to navigate the internet. The more links on the page, the less the software works. Not being able to zoom in on portions of threads and work from there means I can't navigate threads at all. I select icons by voice, which means I use keywords to do so. There are more problems I could list, but I get angry every time I think about it. I've dealt with a number of changes to LJ over the years by finding ways to switch it back to the former layout/system/whatever, but that's not an option anymore. Frankly, LJ doesn't seem to care about accessibility issues. DW does.

I love this game, and I miss playing. Like I said, I'll stick around no matter what, but most if not all RP I do will be have to be on DW.

[guppy_sandhu]

I voted Yes, but...



... I'm sticking around either way. :)

I second not doing it too fast because it's a huge undertaking, and if there's a long period of down time, we'll lose people.

[silveraspen]

I will stay with the game if it stays, but I voted to move.

The short version is two-part: one, because I do not believe that LJ will be responsive to the concerns of its (fandom and/or gaming-focused in particular) userbase, based on past history and current patterns of behavior, and two, because the functionality and accessibility issues have finally raised the use barrier high enough for me personally that I am having real problems overcoming it, and I am a generally abled person.

(I really don't think they'll be responsive. They by and large haven't been for some years now, especially once the ownership changed, and what I've been able to discover of their funding stream seems to NOT be primarily sourced in paid accounts, but in advertising revenue and international blogshopping. They currently have no need to listen to a group that's not contributing fundamentally to either or both of those.)

That said, if we were to stay, I would volunteer to work with the mods or any other team on developing a mid-range solution of some sort. E.g., doing OOMs in DW accounts and posting them as OOMs to Milliways-on-LJ through normal procedure from LJ-based, approved character journals.

[bcgphoenix]

For me, a move to DW cannot come fast enough.

I am one of those who gets headaches from the new comment pages. When applying S2 styles to alleviate that problem, I run into the custom-comments bug that prevents threads from showing up at all after a certain number of comments have been received. Both of those make RPing an utter bear for me, instead of the fun thing it's supposed to be; I don't want to spend my limited RP time wrestling with a website instead of playing. (And I'm an able-bodied player! The fact that folks like Heater and Chanter can't play at all makes my blood boil.)

I would do my best to stick with Milliways if it stayed on LJ -- I've been here for over seven years, made some of my dearest friends through this game, and love all of you loonies to pieces -- but...it would be very, very difficult to do so. So I'm voting yes, packing all my bags, and waiting with bated breath for the signal.

[oxfordtweed]

(And I'm an able-bodied player! The fact that folks like Heater and Chanter can't play at all makes my blood boil.)

This, turned up to 11.

Seriously, that's the main reason I'm done with LJ, and then they did the automatic payments thing, and that's it. I was still lurking around here for a while, even after their bug in the code allowed people to access other journals, but LJ is no longer a friendly environment.

[sardonicynic]

I voted yes, but I'll remain with the community no matter what.

In the interest of full disclosure, it's probably easier for me to say this on the back end of the paid time for most of my pup journals — one is a plus account, two of them expired today, one expires in March, and the other is paid through September. With all of the headaches LJ has induced as of late, I don't mind giving Dreamwidth — a site that seems to truly listen to its user base, from what I've seen — more money for exemplar customer service.

Basically, I'm on board no matter what, y'all.

[saphyria.livejournal.com]

I'll stick with Milliways, no matter where it is, but yeah - I'd prefer we move to DW. The accountability and openness I've seen just in the short while I've had accounts with them have impressed me. Especially when compared to the route LJ has gone. But yeah, people up-thread have said as much, and said it better.

I'll come with or stay, either way.

[agonistes]

I have been on LJ since May 23, 2001. I have been part of this game since July 2004. I do not say any of this lightly.

There's pretty strong evidence that the current Russian government is into cyberespionage. I'm not convinced that the downtime last July didn't also partially bring down part of Qwest's infrastructure that supports some State of Colorado networks in addition to LJ (as well as the networks at my former place of employment, which are also dependent on Qwest). Given the way that the most recent elections seem to be shaping up, including all the protests against Putin and Putin's party, and given LJ's function in Russia, I think it is time to move.

For a while I was content giving my money to LJ despite unreliable service because I figured my money was going to support free speech in Russia and the site still worked the way I wanted it to work most of the time. That is not the case any longer. I wish Russian bloggers the best in sticking it to the man, but I'm not giving money to support their efforts any longer.

If I am investing money into pretendy funtime games, I expect those pretendy funtime games to be there when I want them. After my experience with Dreamwidth -- including filing a support request and having it answered in under ten minutes, by a real person -- I am happy to give my money to Dreamwidth and I think the game should move there, too. The takeaway I've gotten from the last several outages is this:

If things go bad enough in Russia, we can't trust that the game will still be here.

That in itself is reason enough to move it.

The considerable accessibility issues, however, are the only reason we need. It is unreasonable to ask folks with accessibility concerns to work harder than they already do to find, implement, and maintain workarounds for a service that doesn't respond to the concerns of their userbase and that apparently has plans to make these accessibility concerns worse rather than better. It is especially unreasonable when there is a fandom-friendly alternative that is very responsive to user concerns, including accessibility issues, when that alternative is priced reasonably close, and when that alternative is able to import everything we've done over the last seven and a half years.

We have the momentum. We have the technology. As Mavis Staples says, when the spirit hits you, you've got to move.

[vivien]

Amen.