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So let's have a canon/fandom complaining session! How does this work? Simple, in your comments feel free to share with us what really bugs you about your canon or your canon's fandom. Please white text or link any spoilers with clear warnings.
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I hate how often Ben Grimm suffers from the Worf effect. The guy is one of Marvel's oldest heroes and yet gets his rocky posterior handed to him on a pretty regular basis all so we can see that "things are serious".
Kate Kane: Fan drawings of the Bat family always seem to forget her. I mean I love that Cass and Steph are always there but where's Batwoman?
And let's talk about Thalia...Is it so hard to write her that she only is in three books? Spoiler warning for Lost Hero: And why the hell does Jason, her brother, get so many more powers? /End spoiler
Same could be said for Palamedes. He gets a spot light for one book and then is more a red shirt than much else for the rest of the series. I won't go into the last book, even in white text, since it only came out a week ago.
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And yes the irony (or perhaps hypocrisy) of my ultimately using a black actor for my PB of him isn't lost on me. I use Christopher Judge as Palamedes is described as massive, like line backer sized, with rich brown skin and I couldn't find any Persian actors that fit that body type.
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Needs to stop whining about Fi like three years ago. It all comes off as people whining about female characters doing things despite that they aren't to blame for what people hate about them. In Fi's case, everything that people hate about her are flaws in the game's design.
The most perplexing complaint concerns her warning the player that their battery is low. Which, uh? Most Nintendo Wii games do that??? The only Nintendo Wii game that hasn't warned me my batteries are low is Twilight Princess, and that wasn't originally a Wii game. Anyway, how else would they know their battery is low? And don't electronic devices do that in general? Makes me wish for a device built specifically for the people who are always whining "SHUT UP I KNOW MY BATTER IS LOW", where it doesn't warm then at all, and they're busy mowing through a boss when suddenly everything stops working. Gee, wouldn't it have been nice if the device warned you?
(The other complaint I have is purely nit picky and it's barely legit but I wish more fan artists would draw this Link closer to how he is in canon rather than as Default Link Design. His ears aren't that pointy gaise ;_;)
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So it's easily one of my favorites but there are things in the second and final third of the game that drives me up the wall:
1) The escort mission with Scrapper. I can take Scrapper in small doses, but an entire escort mission where I have to put up with him insulting Link for no good reason and whiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiining whenever Link gets too far and WHAT'S TAKING YOU SO LONG and MONSTERS MONSTERS TAKE CARE OF THOSE MONSTERS (they're fucking Lizalfos you jag off!) and just who thought that was a good idea without giving Link the chance for revenge?
2) The spin charge mini game. That is required to advance through the story. Just. Wat? I get that it's supposed to be a tutorial, but if you don't clear ten targets in 2 minutes then it's a tutorial you wind up spending far more time on than the tutorial for flying in general, and that makes no sense. You fly a helluvalot more in Skyward Sword than you do spin charge, which is really only useful for one battle, and a brief half of it at that.
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I will never get over this.
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*sigh*
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Semi-related: Dear show, killing people off in the season finale isn't a twist anymore unless they actually stay dead when the next season starts.
As for OUaT... So. Big purple cloud o' magicky doom. Why, Rumpel? Is it to track down your son?
Because if it's to track down your son, YOU MAY HAVE NOTICED THAT EMMA THE BOUNTY HUNTER OWES YOU A FAVOR, DUMBASS. And if you played this game without bringing magic into the equation you just might beat Regina for good.
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I don't really have any major problems with Villains By Necessity; I'm still not sure what I think of the Roman shenanigans, re: Percyverse, but I also still haven't picked up Son of Neptune, so I'll withhold commentary there.
Disc, particularly relating to Imp: Where'd he disappear to, anyway? I mean, I doubt he and Susan were going to have any sort of long-term thing anyway, but still!
OH HEY POTTER IS MY CANON. I have. Issues. With Deathly Hallows, to put it mildly (most of which I poured into a 17K-word Sneakers crossover). The Trio's overall lack of planning, to say nothing of taking turns wearing the cursed jewelry, the fact that there wasn't a little POV attention paid to Neville and company (I mean, really, JKR, if you can swing it for the Death Eaters...), THE ENTIRE BIT WITH REGULUS CHEERFULLY SACRIFICING HIMSELF TO SPARE THE HOUSE ELF, the fact that I think it would be a better story if Harry had stayed dead... to say nothing of the epilogue.
All is NOT well, and I would have much preferred a little 'well, shit, the war's over, now what?'
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Hargh.
Atton Rand's canon/fandom - Knights of the Old Republic.
Actually, KOTOR fandom is pretty okay, even if it is rife with Mary-Sues (they're usually tolerable Mary-Sues). Nice people!
His canon on the other hand, is a mess. Rushed out for release way too early because LucasArts wanted a Christmas release, the entire last third is unfinished, missing massive chunks of the plot and several entire storylines (there was a GenoHaradan plotline which was just completely cut, and you were supposed to visit each planet again, not just Onderon, Telos and Dantooine).
As a result, literally nothing in the last third makes sense. It's box-ticking - Nihilus dead? Check! Sion dead? Check! Kreia has an evil evil plan? Check! But good luck figuring out what it is! What happened to the rest of the party? Ha! Good luck with that one! You want a proper ending? Screw you!
Not to mention, it's an old game and it - shows, sometimes. Especially during scenes with dialogue: Dialogue will often be punctuated by characters randomly sprinting laps around wherever they happen to be, assuming that the character you're meant to be talking to is not on the other side of the map, running towards you while talking.
Leo Fudou's canon/fandom - Garo: Makai Senki.
Fandom is tiny, and those who are in it tend to be insane misogynistic thirteen year olds. It's a tokusatsu fandom. Whatcha gonna do.
As far as his canon goes, there's so much stuff just left unexplained. Everything that is explained hangs together coherently, but Amemiya seems to take the viewpoint of 'Explain no more than is absolutely necessary and leave everything else to implication.'
Also, occasionally the cinematography takes a turn for the weird. Like when you have the live-action characters on animated backgrounds (usually in flashbacks, the rest of the time it's totally live-action), or when characters inexplicably start spraying red kanji instead of blood.
Amemiya, the creator, is an arthouse film maker by training. I blame that for all of Garo's weirdness.
Seamus Finnigan and Teddy Lupin's canon/fandom - Harry Potter.
Fandom is essentially the solidified essence of everything wrong in every fandom ever.
Canon - well, I don't find Harry massively interesting, tbh. That's my main beef. There are a fair few others, but I suspect other people will be able to articulate the problems with the books better than I can.
Leonardo fandom is miniscule, and the show itself is just too gleeful with its inaccuracies and ridiculousness for me to hold it against it.
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Saph's Non-Spoilery Canon Complaints:
LIRAEL, Y U HAVE TO INTERRUPT. (They hadn't talked in MILLENIA - you couldn't have waited another minute? CLOSURE WAS NEEDED, BUT YOU HAD TO GO AND MAKE SURE IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN)
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ROBIN MCKINLEY, Y NO SEQUEL?
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Likewise with Final Fantasy IV: nothing of note except the early-game/late-game wars, which I mostly manage to avoid.
As for Pony... let's take this to its own comment.
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Apart from that, Pinkie seems to be going out of her way lately to act outrageous. Eating the entire
dark mattercake at the cake competition at the end of "MMMystery on the Friendship Express", for instance, or relentlessly pursuing Cranky in "A Friend In Deed". I'm not saying it's out of character for her to do those sorts of things, but I don't think she would have to the same extent in Season 1, and those aren't sides of her personality that I like.And de fandom...: Where do I even start? Perhaps with the memes... It seems like anything that involves Rainbow Dash, and half the things that don't, has to have something about "20% cooler" (said exactly once throughout the show so far, in "Suited for Success") and/or "ten seconds flat" (said exactly twice, in the same scene of "Friendship is Magic Part 1: The Mare in the Moon"). Every chicken is Scootaloo (inspired, if that's the term, by Apple Bloom's taunt in "The Stare Master"), every tree is Fluttershy (from "Over a Barrel"; I have seen this one done in ways that I liked, but it's part of the pattern)... Marshmallow Rarity, Dictionary Belle... it goes on and on, and most of it isn't even any good. And then there's the stuff entirely from the fandom. Try an experiment: say the word "cupcakes" to a known brony. Odds are, rather than singing something about "so sweet and tasty", they will act panicked and look around for straight-haired Pinkie (despite the fic in question, as far as I've found out, not exhibiting any such straightness). Add to that Fluffy Pony, the demeaning Sweetie Belle variants, and so on... it's crazy.
And I think I'll stop there. There's more I could say, but I don't want to right now.
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I also have a small vengeance grudge against any writers who bring it back up again. LET IT DIE. X-23 does not NEED MORE BACKSTORY WOE, also underage sex (with or without violence) is creepy and they never address it as the creepy it is, so I would rather it were gone. In NYX she is MAYBE 15. Wrong. Wrong wrong wrong wrong.
It is the one bit of comics canon that never happened. Nope.
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canon-
The lack of concrete and continuous continuity.
The rampant Orientalism.
fanon-
The furry hate.
Middlman:
That it ended.
Avatar:
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I wish we'd seen more of Azula's descent into madness.
OMG, TWOOO LURVE. blegh.
Also that there's an ENTIRE WEEK between Korra episodes.
fanon-
I live in an equal amount of joy and fear of the shippers.
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Umm, maybe I should leave it at that.
Nah, it bears explanation. Fandom is mostly kids and adults who are ashamed to admit they play. Well, there are enough adults who aren't that Con like events can be held, but...
Well, the community is terrible. The developers are trying to change that though, partly by making the game less of a grindfest and partly by growing the community themselves.
Fanfiction wise, it falls into either the "my first fanfic" territory or total ultraviolence/ultrasmut. It doesn't help that when I have delved into fanfic I tried to concentrate on Amascut, I suppose. Minor villains especially when they are female, attract odd attentions.
Canonwise -- Oddly, there is very little in the way of plotholes except for disappearing NPCs. Well, there are some holes that have shown up in the books and in the spinoff game that covers the events of the God Wars, but as with all ongoing canons, some handwringing about canonicity is to be expected. It is interesting to read fan theories that smooth over these bumps and holes, though
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The fact that the woman calling herself Black Canary now seems awesome, but she bears none of the things about Dinah Lance that I love. Also the outfit.
The fact that Suicide Squad is frankly unreadable crap. So I don't.
WHERE THE EVER LIVING HELL IS RENEE?
OR STEPH?
Less specific:
- the rampant ageism that means no heroes can be parents or have parents/predecessors. The retconning of every legacy hero or child that existed in the old DC.
- the company's treatment of female creators and creators of color, of female fans and fen of color, and to a lesser extent, the in universe treatment of female characters and characters of color.
- the spinning of writer's decisions to create false publicity.
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(REMEMBER WHEN HIPPOLYTA WAS WONDER WOMAN AND ALIVE? YEAH, I DO. *sigh*)
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Canon: See icon. The fact that it's going on five years and we have yet to see a hint that the story will be continued beyond that point.
Fandom: The godawful ubersexualized fanart of Alyx, and the implications by some fans that she must be a lesbian because she doesn't dress or act sexy in the games. I could write a graduate thesis about the entitled male gaze bullshit behind both of those phenomena.
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BSG got seriously weird in 4.5, though I am one of the few people who actually liked the ending. :O Still, some of the characterization choices made me give the writers some major side-eye, Adama in particular. (And selfishly, I still wish Gaeta's story had been wrapped up differently, even if the episodes involved were gutwrenchingly good. PS, fandom, I WILL LOVE HIM FOREVER AND YOU WILL NEVER CHANGE MY MIND. ;_;)
SPN...ahahahaha where do I even start. The way it treats its women and minorities has been a serious problem for a long, long time; large segments of fandom have no sense of propriety (protip: cursing out Jim Beaver's ten-year-old autistic daughter and calling her an attention whore is not cool); Wincest still makes me grimace nine times out of ten; the constant canonical angstfest gets wearying after a while. I actually stopped watching toward the beginning of S6 because, for me, the bad started outweighing the good.
And now that I've made everybody think I hate all my fandoms, it's time to grab some coffee! Um.
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What.
No, what.
What.
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The fact that the series ended on a cliffhanger. It drives me crazy, I'm determined to get some closure. (And I have been told by the creators that if MTV will agree to it, they'd gladly write a movie or more episodes. So that's currently my goal. Now how do I get MTV onboard? Who knows.)
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Fallout 3: The game has a tendency to ask me to accept a little too much, even by 1950s scifi movie standards. I've had to rewrite certain things to make them make sense- a massive amount of plot material for The Pitt, straight out of the box, only works if the player character is saddled down with an idiot ball the size of Wisconsin. Same deal for the only DLC left, Point Lookout, which I am still attempting to rewrite before sending Ellen off in its direction because in addition to the idiot ball thing the NPC enemies need a lot of work and replacing. As for the main game, the original railroad ending was made a good deal more bearable by Broken Steel- originally the game ended in the main room of Project Purity, where either the PC died, or the PC made Sarah Lyons go in and die for them, or the PC stood around picking his or her nose until everything exploded. You had no other choice. Even if you had Fawkes (who is immune to radiation), Sergeant RL-3 (a robot), Charon (a ghoul and therefore immune to radiation), or Clover (a slave brainwashed to absolutely obey and love and trust whoever happened to be her owner at the moment), you couldn't get anybody else to go into the radiation room. They'd all refuse and make you go die instead. And then the game ended. With the Broken Steel add-on, even if you go in and think you died you wake up two weeks later in the Brotherhood's infirmary; if you have Fawkes as a companion he'll go in for you instead, or at least I think he will. Haven't tried asking him, myself. I've had some other issues, but those are really the only ones worth complaining about.
Okay, no, I lied, one more thing. This is a complaint I have about both FNV and Fallout 3. Namely: Bethesda? FIX THE FACE GRAPHICS. Seriously. You can tweak the living daylights out of your character's face before starting the game, so why do so many NPCs look like they all came out of roughly the same bulk bin? And could you please make it so that there's a visible difference between 'older than thirty' and 'older than sixty'? According to Fallout 3, this woman is around forty-eight. And this is her biological daughter; she's supposed to be around nine years old. There are other face graphic problems (for instance, were you able to tell that the woman in that picture is supposed to be black?) but that's the big one. Either you look twenty-five despite being in your forties or you look decrepit beyond belief.
… I'd probably better not complain about anything else today.
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This drove me so batty. I never got Broken Steel, though, so that part was nice to read.
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As for the fandom: Porn of the characters at age 13 is creepy. If there must be porn of them (which is an inevitability), it should be porn where they're aged up. Sexy fanart where they keep their clothes on falls under the same rule. (The three-year timeskip mitigates this problem somewhat. It's still fairly creepy to make porn of 16-year-olds, honestly, but it's LESS creepy than if they were 13.)
Also I could do with less sneering at Homestuck and its fans from the rest of the internet. There seems to be quite a bit of that and I don't like it.
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1. White text alert. Maelstrom. I actually really like Maelstrom for characterization reasons (and aesthetics), but how much do I WISH Kara had actually died in combat and not because she was driven to the edge and was a tool of destiny. I also go back and forth on wishing they'd made her Daniel's daughter, which she's definitely not, despite some starry-eyed fan theories.
2. More white text alert. Sam's ultimate fate. Sorry, but even with that gorgeous geektastic flashback of his I'm so uncomfortable with the way hybrid!Sam is flown off into the sun rather than -- I don't know -- sent off with the Centurions or something that I can hardly stand it.
3. Why would you get rid of all your technology? Even if somebody had that idea, why would everyone else so easily go along with it?
4. I kind of wish we'd gotten a scene of classic Adama guilt or self-doubt at the end of Blood on the Scales. I know a serious line was crossed, but we saw it over so many of his other kids! Even Boomer!
5. The problem of Caprica Six, Tigh, and Ellen. There are interesting things that come out of that storyline, sure, but... I just don't like most of it, and how it's resolved is the worst.
6. The Nicky retcon.
I love pockets of the fandom, especially since it's smaller now that the show's not airing and capable of the high levels of passion with lower levels of scariness, but it can be as rabid as any other. I don't care what people shipped; I'm horrified to have heard stories of fans being happy because Michael Trucco was in a car accident that caused him injuries similar to Christopher Reeve's. That's so far from cool it makes me despair.
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And jfc, I am so glad I missed fandom's reaction to Michael Trucco's car accident. That is...what. What is wrong with you people.
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However, I don't really have any major complaints about my other canons. I used to be bothered by the sense that Parks and Rec was treating Leslie like... I don't know, like she was totally sexually naive, but they stopped that. Also I am sad that she is a fictional character and not a real person, but there you go.
Not that either other canon is perfect, but we're on pretty good terms.
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/ mature
(I tend to avoid fandom inasmuch as possible. There are some crazies out there, no matter how good the canon is or what it's about. Then you get canons like Avatar, which are rife with issues, and fandom makes it worse. Ashie and I have spent many a night making this face: o__0
I do have minor gripes about all of my canons, of course, but to keep from turning this into an epic essay I'll offer to have people ask me for my thoughts if they like. Rough character list found here!)
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The Abhrosen Chronicles-I wish there had been more time with Sameth in the second and third books. There are some moments in particular where I kept thinking really, this is all you're giving him. There's a point where he's flipping his feather coin where I think I might have gone really at the book.
X-Men: First Class-The people writing some of that dialogue didn't always get Charles, he can be foolish but at some points, they made him dense in a way he just wouldn't be. Overall I adore the movie, because it got into my head but its not perfect.
Discworld-I just can't buy Moist as ever getting married or staying in a long term relationship. I like his interactions with Spike but just don't buy them long term.
Narnia-How long was Tumnus a statue? I always complain about this but its lost time and just confusing.
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Besides the one I always bring up as far as canon is concerned (which is that accursed Dragon Song game), I've always wondered why no one seems to make any sort of deal about Alex and Luna being romantically involved after growing up as adopted siblings. It might have to do with the destiny stuff and the implications left over from the original script of Alex being the reincarnation of Dyne, who was in love with Althena. Or it might be because they're a couple of kids from backwater Burg where you get a pass for that sort of stuff, though Burg is nowhere near as bad as Meryod. I kind of assumed that their Meribia and Vane friends are cool with it because they were introduced to them as a romantic couple first and said friends were kind of...taken aback, to say the least, when they learned that they grew up like brother and sister.
Also a canon gripe, this time about the Ausa family line. There are no male Ausa family members seen in the games. At all. Why? The creators said, "They like to keep their private and their professional lives separate." REALLY? REALLY?!
Fandom-wise, eh, I'm not sure. Most of what fandom agrees on is related to that male Ausa family members thing and I tend to find myself in their camp because REALLY?! Friggin' REALLY?!? Dammit canon.
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Denis Leary and Peter Tolan, the show's main writers, get a LOT right, but they also get quite a bit wrong, because they are two middle-aged white men who do not know everything about everything, and they can be very offensive in the way some topics are treated, not even in a I can see where you're coming from way (which I can work with), but in a omgwtf are you even doing?! way. One example: Mike the Probie's sexuality. That the writers had No Fucking Idea how to work this into his character was almost palpable, but to be fair, rampant gay jokes aside, there were some very honest moments where they brought it back around to set things right.
These flaws may be few but they're glaring and uncomfortable and the product of crappy writing, and they don't fall under the excuse of this show not pulling any punches about anything -- which it doesn't, and it's sort of why I can't outright recommend the show to just anybody. Like, just when you think they won't go there? Oh, they will go there. Season 3 caused a minor shitstorm among critics when Tommy Gavin reached his peak of assholery (at that point), and though I won't defend his actions, I can explain them by pointing out that if you didn't watch the first two seasons and didn't get that Tommy and his wife have a SUPER-DYSFUNCTIONAL relationship, then you can't really criticize it as that would be taking the characters out of context and thinking they were, y'know, NORMAL. But yeah. Vile assholery ahoy!
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WOBBLY GEOGRAPHY IS WOBBLY. I mean, people have commented before on the Portland --> Colorado Springs timing in Nevermore, but Where and When is actually loads worse. The 1961 stuff starts in the Warehouse, gets to Green Bay during the work day (ignoring for a moment that August 20, 1961 was a Sunday...), spends most of the night there and ends up close enough to the Warehouse that Pete thinks they might actually make it back. All in the canonical space of 22 hours and 19 minutes.
Out of curiosity, I plugged the driving route into Google Maps, using Rapid City as my Warehouse stand-in as it's near the Badlands.
On the modern Interstate - which, might I add, was not really a full-blown thing yet in 1961 - driving that one way would take THIRTEEN HOURS.
They have to be using an Artifact that lets people cover more space than is logically/physically possible. It's the only explanation.
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Dixie: Absolutely none; Brisco is mostly a flawfree canon, which is rare to say.
Juliet Oh, how I hate that Juliet is the only one who doesn't know Shawn's not really psychic. It makes her look a thousand times dumber than she's portrayed as being in canon. In fanon, she often gets stuck being portrayed as a shrew by the Shassie folks and propped up as a suffering saint by Jassie and Shules folks. She is neither.
Pinkie No complaints about Pinkie, really, mostly because I avoid the fanon stuff that gets put out there about her character. See: Cupcakes.
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Gus. Fucking hell, show. The poor guy can't catch a break in ANYTHING. Still working two jobs - Psych is still struggling and he can't even have a love interest for one episode that isn't a problem. Everyone has heard now about a love interest being brought in next season - but I've hit the point where all I can figure is how wrong it's gonna go. She'll end up being a serial killer or leave him after a few months. In my head, it just can't go well for him after six years of being totally devoted to Shawn and to Psych and to keeping everything on track. I'd be hitting the candy hard too, y'all. (which while funny was seriously over done this season - and do I even have to talk about the levels of creepy!Gus last season?? WTF)
Henry... I just... this season has been so mixed with him. I'm really really hoping the events or the season finale herald a positive change for him (that isn't dying).
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