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Daily Entertainment.
What does your canon get really, really wrong? (Interpret as you will!)
Twilight: Growth & Emotional Maturity across 100-to-400 years
X-Men: Adults Who Fight Like Childrenfrequently over children
Hunger Games: How Not to Torture People & Make Friends
Once Upon a Time: Happy Endingsbut that's the point
Robin Hood (BBC): Historical accuracy of any kind
X-Men: Adults Who Fight Like Children
Hunger Games: How Not to Torture People & Make Friends
Once Upon a Time: Happy Endings
Robin Hood (BBC): Historical accuracy of any kind
X-Men: Adults Who Fight Like Childrenfrequently over children
THIS. YES.
Fallout: Nuclear physics. Even if we allow all the whackadoodle biology and the sheer amount of viable canned food two hundred years after the Bomb on the grounds that It's Like That In The Movies... dude, mushroom clouds result from sufficiently large explosions of any kind. They don't automatically appear as a sign that 'hey, something nuclear happened'. I'm lookin' at you, every car that explodes in the games and every use of mininukes.
Mass Effect: THE ENDING. SWEET BABY ERIS, WHAT.
The Belgariad/The Malloreon: You don't get near-planetcracker explosions when you pour seawater on freshly exposed molten lava. (In his defense, David Eddings admitted after the fact that he got this one wrong, but by then it was too late to change things.)
Dragon Age: So... a medieval society with knights and a class of people called chevaliers in the next country over, and yet aside from a few children's toys and a mention of working in stables, there are no indications of horses anywhere in this world? No hitching posts, no water troughs, no horses in the art? Ferelden has dogs in half their art, so it's not like there's a social rule against the depiction of animals, and we see several merchants with oxcarts... but no horses anywhere, not even a horse head on someone's clothing.
Half-Life: The carrying capacity of your average theoretical physicist. I can handwave nearly anything with regards to weapon usage after reading Badass of the Week long enough, but guns. have. mass.
The King Must Die was actually pretty okay overall. One of the reviewers on Amazon accused Renault of misogyny for the number of female enemies Theseus had and for the way any woman who was both conventionally feminine and fond of sex met a bad end- see: Ariadne, and in the sequel, Phaedra- but I'm not so sure of that myself.
Ghostbusters: Meh, I think we're all right here.
Team Fortress 2: It's a crack shoot-everybody-in-the-face game. Only thing I can think of that it gets really wrong is that Valve makes mistakes estimating who's going to be fondest of which maps.
As for potential canons: I can't really peg anything in Throne of the Crescent Moon that's Really Really Wrong, which pleases me, and as for the other possible canon.... I'm almost dead certain you can't justify an Earthlike planet with humans and three species of sentient great ape around Betelgeuse, okay, Mr. Boulle? Betelgeuse. Come on.
Mass Effect: THE ENDING. SWEET BABY ERIS, WHAT.
The Belgariad/The Malloreon: You don't get near-planetcracker explosions when you pour seawater on freshly exposed molten lava. (In his defense, David Eddings admitted after the fact that he got this one wrong, but by then it was too late to change things.)
Dragon Age: So... a medieval society with knights and a class of people called chevaliers in the next country over, and yet aside from a few children's toys and a mention of working in stables, there are no indications of horses anywhere in this world? No hitching posts, no water troughs, no horses in the art? Ferelden has dogs in half their art, so it's not like there's a social rule against the depiction of animals, and we see several merchants with oxcarts... but no horses anywhere, not even a horse head on someone's clothing.
Half-Life: The carrying capacity of your average theoretical physicist. I can handwave nearly anything with regards to weapon usage after reading Badass of the Week long enough, but guns. have. mass.
The King Must Die was actually pretty okay overall. One of the reviewers on Amazon accused Renault of misogyny for the number of female enemies Theseus had and for the way any woman who was both conventionally feminine and fond of sex met a bad end- see: Ariadne, and in the sequel, Phaedra- but I'm not so sure of that myself.
Ghostbusters: Meh, I think we're all right here.
Team Fortress 2: It's a crack shoot-everybody-in-the-face game. Only thing I can think of that it gets really wrong is that Valve makes mistakes estimating who's going to be fondest of which maps.
As for potential canons: I can't really peg anything in Throne of the Crescent Moon that's Really Really Wrong, which pleases me, and as for the other possible canon.... I'm almost dead certain you can't justify an Earthlike planet with humans and three species of sentient great ape around Betelgeuse, okay, Mr. Boulle? Betelgeuse. Come on.
Knox: Acid baths don't make people into homicidal clowns.
Kirk: You cannae change the laws of physics!
Howard Stark: There was no science fair in Flushing Meadows Park in the 40s, and the Unisphere wasn't built until the 60s. (In fact, the real 1939-40 World's Fair was a financial failure, and the park was left as something of a ghost town until after the 1964-65 World's Fair.)
Cyborg: The real Cyborg doesn't eat that much. Or maybe the cartoon got it right and the comics got it wrong?
The Question: Given his lack of training and discipline, he should have been crippled or killed long before his career got interesting.
Gibbs: What DIDN'T the PotC films get wrong? I love the trilogy, but there is no aspect of 18th century history that wasn't trampled, warped, mutated or otherwise ignored. It's only with the last film that I actually felt like someone read a history book in how Spain and England's rivalry and behavior was presented. By which point the series was out of creative steam.
Kirk: You cannae change the laws of physics!
Howard Stark: There was no science fair in Flushing Meadows Park in the 40s, and the Unisphere wasn't built until the 60s. (In fact, the real 1939-40 World's Fair was a financial failure, and the park was left as something of a ghost town until after the 1964-65 World's Fair.)
Cyborg: The real Cyborg doesn't eat that much. Or maybe the cartoon got it right and the comics got it wrong?
The Question: Given his lack of training and discipline, he should have been crippled or killed long before his career got interesting.
Gibbs: What DIDN'T the PotC films get wrong? I love the trilogy, but there is no aspect of 18th century history that wasn't trampled, warped, mutated or otherwise ignored. It's only with the last film that I actually felt like someone read a history book in how Spain and England's rivalry and behavior was presented. By which point the series was out of creative steam.
Thor: Norse mythology. How scientists do science. (Also the laws of physics, but it's a comics movie; they aren't actually trying.)
Gundam Wing: HAHAHAHAHA. Uh. Giant humanoid-ish robots are not the most efficient way to fight a war. Older prototypes are not usually more badass than finished machines created ten years later. Flamethrowers don't work in space. Fifteen-year-old girls, if crowned puppet Queen Of The World, No Seriously The Entire World, cannot make 70-year-old generals listen thoughtfully to their idealism. "I'll make a terrible war, and that will bring about world peace!" doesn't actually work.
Firefly: Bilingualism and code-switching don't work that way.
Claymore: Actually gets some things pretty right, and clearly doesn't care about even trying with some things like "laws of physics" and "sensible armor" and "reasons monsters might not monologue." I'll come back to this, not because it doesn't get anything wrong but because I thought of one and then my brain blanked on it. *needs more caffeine*
Gundam Wing: HAHAHAHAHA. Uh. Giant humanoid-ish robots are not the most efficient way to fight a war. Older prototypes are not usually more badass than finished machines created ten years later. Flamethrowers don't work in space. Fifteen-year-old girls, if crowned puppet Queen Of The World, No Seriously The Entire World, cannot make 70-year-old generals listen thoughtfully to their idealism. "I'll make a terrible war, and that will bring about world peace!" doesn't actually work.
Firefly: Bilingualism and code-switching don't work that way.
Claymore: Actually gets some things pretty right, and clearly doesn't care about even trying with some things like "laws of physics" and "sensible armor" and "reasons monsters might not monologue." I'll come back to this, not because it doesn't get anything wrong but because I thought of one and then my brain blanked on it. *needs more caffeine*
There are a lot of weird magic swords, though. Doesn't Raki also get one, or did I imagine that?
I just assumed there were occasional experimental weapons thrown out into the populace to see how they do?
EXPERIMENTAL WEAPONS is the answer to everything.
Me, I want to know where they found a continent that shape.
I just assumed there were occasional experimental weapons thrown out into the populace to see how they do?
EXPERIMENTAL WEAPONS is the answer to everything.
Me, I want to know where they found a continent that shape.
Ben: Radiation and the human body don't work like that.
Hank: I don't care how smart a person is, they still need time to do the work of school. Graduating Harvard at 15 is a fun idea but not very likely.
Palamedes: Persians were unlikely to have "a deep rich brown" skin tone.
Thalia: Some of the characterizations of the gods bugged me. Demeter being a shrewish mother-in-law among them. And the movie, yeah Hades bursting forth all Christian hell fire from the camp's sacrifice fire? So not appropriate. Plus hades (the place) would be colorless and dull. It is not hell.
Hank: I don't care how smart a person is, they still need time to do the work of school. Graduating Harvard at 15 is a fun idea but not very likely.
Palamedes: Persians were unlikely to have "a deep rich brown" skin tone.
Thalia: Some of the characterizations of the gods bugged me. Demeter being a shrewish mother-in-law among them. And the movie, yeah Hades bursting forth all Christian hell fire from the camp's sacrifice fire? So not appropriate. Plus hades (the place) would be colorless and dull. It is not hell.
Edited 2012-08-08 14:23 (UTC)
I thought Raki just had a normal sword, but it's entirely possible that I'm just forgetting a weird magic sword that doesn't make sense. There are indeed a lot of them around! The EXPERIMENTAL WEAPONS explanation totally works for me.
And yyyyyeah, geology makes no sense either, in this world. Also the fact that the world is full of deep forests and cliffs and lakes and streams, except when it's ABRUPTLY SAND DUNES AS FAR AS THE EYE CAN SEE. Or ABRUPTLY DESERT MOUNTAINS OF ONLY ROCKS. I fanwank that those are big dead spots caused by something the organization did ages back, because that's the only way I can make it work at all in my brain.
And yyyyyeah, geology makes no sense either, in this world. Also the fact that the world is full of deep forests and cliffs and lakes and streams, except when it's ABRUPTLY SAND DUNES AS FAR AS THE EYE CAN SEE. Or ABRUPTLY DESERT MOUNTAINS OF ONLY ROCKS. I fanwank that those are big dead spots caused by something the organization did ages back, because that's the only way I can make it work at all in my brain.
Fallout: Nuclear physics. Even if we allow all the whackadoodle biology and the sheer amount of viable canned food two hundred years after the Bomb on the grounds that It's Like That In The Movies... dude, mushroom clouds result from sufficiently large explosions of any kind. They don't automatically appear as a sign that 'hey, something nuclear happened'. I'm lookin' at you, every car that explodes in the games and every use of mininukes.
I found the weirdly undisturbed Chinese cell of invaders, complete with Chinese weaponry and uniforms and their own Seoul City Sue broadcast, two hundred years after the war ended in nuclear fire a little hard to swallow myself. (Near the Arlington Cemetery, if you missed it.)
I found the weirdly undisturbed Chinese cell of invaders, complete with Chinese weaponry and uniforms and their own Seoul City Sue broadcast, two hundred years after the war ended in nuclear fire a little hard to swallow myself. (Near the Arlington Cemetery, if you missed it.)
I think that's the whole of Marvel at this point. At least since Civil War if you think about it.
Invincible: Kirkland's handwaving for invulnerability and super-speed is a type of atom that can change its mass, density, and inertia. Sub-atomic physics do not work that way.
Mama Whatsername's fake convenience food manufacturer, yeah. I remember them. That's one of the game elements I tend to cruise right by because it's non-vital and not particularly interesting to me, kind of like the way I usually blow right past the Tenpenny Tower quest. I haven't seen it enough to care about it or remember it much.
Avatar: Pacing. WHY OH WHY does it get the pacing wrong? Also, there are those on the internet very VOCAL about how they get mental illness wrong. I'm still undecided on that one.
Turtles: I think it gets women wrong. It certainly gets Orientalism right, which...is not a good thing. And don't even get me started on the continuity.
Middleman: That it was cancelled is an abomination unto the Nuggan. Or rather, maybe the Nuggan was behind it.
Turtles: I think it gets women wrong. It certainly gets Orientalism right, which...is not a good thing. And don't even get me started on the continuity.
Middleman: That it was cancelled is an abomination unto the Nuggan. Or rather, maybe the Nuggan was behind it.
This map (http://fav.me/d3woqn4) summarizes many of the things wrong with Runescape. Amascut herself comes from the continent/subcontinent labeled SAND AND RACISM.
The WTF KING ARTUR is especially poignant since the the game devs swapped out a quest based on Romeo and Juliet for a quest where a dwarf romances a TOTALLY NOT VIKING because acting out a Shakespeare play did not fit canon. But then, the King Arthur stuff is not just one quest, its a quest line, and there are too many King Arthur references on that part of the map to fix.
HERE BE FUCK ALL is actually filled with communist penguins.
The OUT OF PLACE POVERTY isn't so much out of place, except it is the only poverty shown in game except the quarantined part of Ardougne and the human blood farms found in the place labeled TWILIGHT. The only thing out of place is that it doesn't figure much into the story but its there on the map anyway, unlike the supposedly vast slums in Falador (labeled WHITE PEOPLE). The vast slums of Falador aren't visible or visitable because of SCALE THEORY, fandom's excuse for everything.
Also, WTF geography? What is with that river running straight through Kandarin (EVERYTHING ELSE)? And Karamja(POISON, RACISM, and THE RAINFOREST)? Yes, those are actual rivers, with actual waterfalls and bridges, not straits. RIVERS DON'T WORK THAT WAY
Despite the TWILIGHT label, the vampires of Morytania don't sparkle in the sunlight. They do have to wear generous sunscreen and dark sunglasses when they are outside of their cloud shrouded territory. It's just that everything vamp related gets slapped with Twilight these days.
[Muji? Can tomorrow's DE be about music? I specifically want to know about what kind of music everyone's pups like, and how the muns figured out those music preferences]
The WTF KING ARTUR is especially poignant since the the game devs swapped out a quest based on Romeo and Juliet for a quest where a dwarf romances a TOTALLY NOT VIKING because acting out a Shakespeare play did not fit canon. But then, the King Arthur stuff is not just one quest, its a quest line, and there are too many King Arthur references on that part of the map to fix.
HERE BE FUCK ALL is actually filled with communist penguins.
The OUT OF PLACE POVERTY isn't so much out of place, except it is the only poverty shown in game except the quarantined part of Ardougne and the human blood farms found in the place labeled TWILIGHT. The only thing out of place is that it doesn't figure much into the story but its there on the map anyway, unlike the supposedly vast slums in Falador (labeled WHITE PEOPLE). The vast slums of Falador aren't visible or visitable because of SCALE THEORY, fandom's excuse for everything.
Also, WTF geography? What is with that river running straight through Kandarin (EVERYTHING ELSE)? And Karamja(POISON, RACISM, and THE RAINFOREST)? Yes, those are actual rivers, with actual waterfalls and bridges, not straits. RIVERS DON'T WORK THAT WAY
Despite the TWILIGHT label, the vampires of Morytania don't sparkle in the sunlight. They do have to wear generous sunscreen and dark sunglasses when they are outside of their cloud shrouded territory. It's just that everything vamp related gets slapped with Twilight these days.
[Muji? Can tomorrow's DE be about music? I specifically want to know about what kind of music everyone's pups like, and how the muns figured out those music preferences]
Edited 2012-08-08 15:29 (UTC)
Firefly: Bilingualism and code-switching don't work that way.
<3 linguistics geekery!
<3 linguistics geekery!
Robin Hood-Heh, its a legend that's had so many iterations that history is only a vague idea. I'm actually fine with this aspect and embrace it but still its tricky.
X-Men: First Class-Timelines and science but its Marvel, I don't look too closely at the science. Its just how long does everything take that makes me headtilt and go, no, this needs fixing and diversity.
The Abhorsen Chronicles-Pacing, emotional reactions in that pacing, how does Sam's magic work?
Going Postal/Making Money-Moist has an issue with commitment, I don't buy the romance.
Becoming Jane-The history's bent a touch but no big complaints.
3:10 to Yuma-Chronology is off, they didn't need to say a specific date, just say late 1860s or after the Civil War, but no wanted a specific date.
Greek Mythology-*snerks* Its Greek myth, it wrote the book on contradicting itself.
The Chronicles of Narnia-I would love a more specific timeline and sense of how much time passed in The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe.
The Pirates of Penzance-The Pirate King should end up with Ruth.
X-Men: First Class-Timelines and science but its Marvel, I don't look too closely at the science. Its just how long does everything take that makes me headtilt and go, no, this needs fixing and diversity.
The Abhorsen Chronicles-Pacing, emotional reactions in that pacing, how does Sam's magic work?
Going Postal/Making Money-Moist has an issue with commitment, I don't buy the romance.
Becoming Jane-The history's bent a touch but no big complaints.
3:10 to Yuma-Chronology is off, they didn't need to say a specific date, just say late 1860s or after the Civil War, but no wanted a specific date.
Greek Mythology-*snerks* Its Greek myth, it wrote the book on contradicting itself.
The Chronicles of Narnia-I would love a more specific timeline and sense of how much time passed in The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe.
The Pirates of Penzance-The Pirate King should end up with Ruth.
Downton Abbey: The passage of time. The first series happens over two years and the second over three. By necessity, the show skips over large chunks of time, but apparently the plot isn't allowed to advance and characters aren't allowed to develop during any of the missing time.
Marvel: No Carol Danvers in the MCU (Yet?)
Marvel: No Carol Danvers in the MCU (Yet?)
The movie was just a hot mess.
BUT PRETTY
Seriously, why is Persephone even THERE. IN JUNE.
BUT PRETTY
Seriously, why is Persephone even THERE. IN JUNE.
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