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Will has almost been hanged for treason against the government of his Nottingham, so yes he should be feared. Robin Hood's men stand against the Sheriff and Prince John.

Charles would like it if the government didn't fear him or other mutants, but he's afraid that won't be possible. He'll do all he can to lessen that fear. His ability makes CIA agents nervous.

Moist would like the government to not know of his existence and he feels that he shouldn't be feared. He'd just like to have them not knowing anything about him or what he does, canon disagrees with this plan of his.

Sameth is the government or at least a major part of it in the Old Kingdom seeing as how he's prince and Wallmaker. The closest he ever came to rebelling was when he ran away and that was more running away.

William considers himself glad to be connected to the United States though Arizona is still a Territory. Canon timeline is weird and I do know that soon Arizona ends up a state, its sometime in the early 1870s, but canon is unhelpful. Overall he's pretty lawful though he's seen how men who call themselves law-abiding can twist the rules for their own needs.

Jane doesn't care as much about the government, but more the social mores of society. She wouldn't say that she's a rebel, she simply looks for other choices within society.

Demeter has never paid that much attention to governments, their seasons can be rather long but they still go through them.

Tumnus is honored to be part of the Pevensies' court and a part of Narnia's Golden Age.

The Pirate King has a song about how glorious it is to ignore the rule of governments though he is still an English pirate, who loves his queen.

Ironic, really, that Moist later ends up being an important part of the government...

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More importantly: who's got a British pup that is going to be Blowing Shit Up by the lake, today?

COME ON, PEOPLE! I'm in forn parts. At least let me burn a republican in effigy on the internets.

If I could think of a reason for Jess to do it I would. She's technically a Brit but I can't see her thinking of it.

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The Ministry of Magic has no reason to fear Scorpius. At all. Family's past aside. He really wants nothing to do with politics, right now.

Gordon is officially Anticitizen One. That should speak for itself.

(ETA: on a side note, my RL great-grandfather was a commando leader in the 1922 Rand Rebellion labor struggle in South Africa, and successfully defended himself and several other miners in court against charges of high treason against the crown of England, getting his own charges knocked down to 'incitement to public violence' and his sentence changed from 'death by hanging' to 'time already served in prison'. To my knowledge he had no formal training in law beyond maybe 'spent a few years as a policeman in Australia'. I dunno about you but I'd be afraid of him if I were a government.)

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Smart rebels are always the worst for governments. =)

And awesome family history there!

The horse guy was from DC! Shine on, you crazy local diamond. >:D

And...I would answer the DE for all of mine, but whenever I look at Gaeta, I just start laughing a bit hysterically and can't move my thoughts any further. Frak you, canon. Again.

Deliberate icon use in answer.

Yep.

...yes. Yes they should.

Adult!Tyler, for the obvious fact that he does NOT like politicos using certain agendas to advance their campaign. For a young man with no superpowers himself, he is an AVID defender of the rights of metahumans and their families. And just as much a punisher of those who abuse or violate those rights in the metahuman community.

...Dot's just scary on a different administrative and legal level. She only barely tolerates the current Guardian Collective because of Bob and Enzo. Should things change in any party, even those outside of the government, with ill intent towards any of her family... or Mainframe itself.... .....gyyyyeeeigh.

Of course the government should fear Dot. She's their boss.

Mia is the government in her city nowadays. But when the government consisted of Ghaleon and Xenobia, they didn't have much reason to fear her, as she was a scared 16 year old girl. Until Alex came along, that is, and helped motivate her to do what's right.

Lucas and his friends are the biggest threat to the government right now. And considering the Pigmask Army keeps sending Fassad to take care of them, they must feel the same way.

Lohengrin technically works for the government, being the Prince's Knight.

Felix? Yes. He doesn't consider himself beholden to any government, now that his childhood home officially banished him, and he and his friends are essentially their world's top ten in terms of martial prowess (despite there being only eight of them). So if he happens to disagree with what any given local government (pretty much the only kind, nowadays) is doing, they should be... careful.

Kain, not so much. He's got power and respect, but no particular desire to overthrow any government. Though come to think of it, he does set out to do just that early in canon, shortly before being brainwashed by the person who's being brainwashed into being puppetmaster for the government in question.

...When I phrase it like that, it sounds like a really crazy canon, doesn't it?

Fluttershy, no. Not at all. She's only a significant threat to anyone under either of two circumstances: if they're a threat to her friends, or if they're being targeted by the Elements of Harmony. Besides, she adores Celestia. (Even if she does find her a little imposing.)

And not Cranky, either.

Weeeeeell... he rebels against the king, unites all the crown's most formidable enemies, raises armies, swears he will take down the Prince of Wales in single combat, nearly wins the day in battle, and even when he's dead, people rally around the rumor that he might not be. So... yes. :-D

(Actually, I'm fascinated by the idea of what would have happened if Hotspur had won at Shrewsbury. I don't ever get the impression that he himself wants to be king, he's just pissed off at Henry IV. He... would probably be a deeply terrible king, not just because of his temper, but because he's so. damn. trusting.)

I want to read that AU. How would his reign go, how would it end? Would Kate keep him from making the worst mistakes or would she be going along with his plans?

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Teja has been part of the government all his adult life, apart from when he really wasn't -- King Thodahad, that is who ended up deposed because of him, and dead by his persona hand.

Government had good reason to fear Urq when somebody hired him who was anti-government. And government will have good reason to fear Poins once Prince Hal is government and Poins knows stuff about his past, which is why Poins makes himself scarce at that point, as he really doesn't want to fear government, in turn.

Tower overthrows all government, eventually.

Ahahahahahahahaha.

Um. Okay, let's go through the roster!

Clare's world only sort of has a government. Insofar as they do, though: yes, it should. And will, soon enough! Right now, she's still working for them, but that will not always be the case. (And their fear of her and several others is part of what sets things in motion.)

Trowa, at age 15, was one of a small handful of people (five or, enh, ten-ish) who were instrumental in overthrowing Earth's government, setting up a new one, and bringing about peace between Earth and its colonies.

...So yes.

He has no reason to oppose the government nowadays. He does, however, monitor things, because you never know when war or tyranny is going to explode again. But the Gundam pilots (whose identities are highly classified) are still an enormously well-known symbol, and they could absolutely leverage that if they felt the cause was worth all the consequences.

Thor is the heir to his throne, so he's very much part of the government. The rest of the government might have cause to fear him being a well-meaning but poor ruler -- see also, a significant undertone of his first movie, although he's learned some lessons from that -- but no cause to fear him trying to overthrow it or rebel.

In terms of Earth governments, yeah, they've got some cause. Thor has no interest in interfering with Earth politics and would prefer that any negotiations be on behalf of all Earth, not just one country or another -- the UN, not the USA or anywhere else. But he's the walking embodiment of first (recent) contact with an alien civilization, and it's an alien civilization that's more technologically advanced than ours and has its own alliances and enmities within the wider universe, so yeah.

River is another AHAHAHA SEE CANON one. In canon, she's a danger because of what she knows about some extremely shady things the government has been getting up to; in our post-canon Milliways world, she's been a rallying point and a symbol and a pawn. And she's a gunslinger.

She'll never, like, lead a rebellion. But she remains something to at least be wary of, especially for any politician who can be badly hurt by truths about governmental activities coming out.

Regan is part of her government, nowadays, at least in the unofficial-but-important way that a politician's spouse is. On the other hand, she and Gabriel campaigned with the goal and platform of changing major things in their government, and got a lot of pushback from certain sectors; I wouldn't say fear in the way you mean, though, because they're definitely working within the system.

On the contrary, the government loves Enzo, even if he was a brat who used to run away from her at bathtime.

(More seriously, the Guardians are technically outside the government of any individual system, but usually work closely with them. They are to be feared only if Guardian brass decide a system's best interests, shall we say, are not the best interests of the Internet as a whole. And Enzo personally would never be a party to that, seeing as how his system was once on the receiving end.

On the other hand, if viral regimes count as governments...)

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Ace: ... if it's a normal, somewhat evil the way all governments tend to be but on the whole not actually committing atrocities sort of government, then no, not really. Ace gets tetchy, however, when she finds out about Bad Things Happening. It would not be wise to be part of that government.

Balthazar: Does not give a fig about your government. Really. Just don't get in his way.

Haymitch: Ha. Hahahaha. Um. I'm just gonna put a big SPOILERS right here and walk away. Right now, he's whupped by said government (aka Snow, aka omgwtf is wrong with this world)

Oswin: Is not really a political creature. She could be. But at the moment, not so much.

Katya: Does not so much care about government as she cares about policies that will help/strengthen the Light. She is still bitterly disappointed about the failure of Communism to live up to its ideals. Also bitterly disappointed that the Light Others in America totally fumbled the ball.

Shaz: Is more of a law-keeper than a law-breaker? She's more of a work-within-the-system sort of gal.

Glor: Finds your human governments amusing.

I don't know really. Should governments fear Amascut? Yes, but not because she'll set up and lead rebellions unless maybe the government is particularly suppressive and prone to torture. She is more likely to set up wars between existing governments. She is like the weapon/ally you don't want your enemies to have, but that you don't really want for yourself.

Bilbo: No. Except for that ring business, Bilbo's main concerns are peace and gardening and clothes and food. Difficult to come by during a revolution. Nasty business, that.

Merlin: No. His destiny is to see Arthur become the greatest king Albion has ever had. If anything, other governments should fear him, but not his own.

Jack Green: No. Governments come and go. The land is the only thing that lasts.

Stuart: No. He wants a comfortable life. Again, hard to come by during a revolution. (Though I suspect there's some chafing against Thatcher's Britain, since he grew up in the 80s.)

Steve: Yes. Surprisingly. In the comics he never hesitates to speak out when he thinks the government is doing something wrong, to the point of resigning as Captain America more than once. And hello Civil War arc. Then there's the line from...agh, I don't remember the storyline, but he says something like "When everyone tells you to move, you have to plant yourself like a tree by the river of truth and say, 'No, you move.'"

I can only expect movie!Steve will be the same, and if he's not, he will be in Milliways.

That would be Steve talking with Spider-Man during the Civil War arc when Spider-Man was trying to come to grips with turning away from the Pro-Reg side in Spider-Man's comic. The best writing for Steve during that whole thing was from the Spider-Man comic IMHO.

The source was Mark Twain's essay In a republic, who is the country?. Damn page still brings tears to my eyes.

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Thanks to the Civil War story, we know governments have nothing to fear from Ben by himself. He chose to leave the country rather than fight against his government or his friends. Now if Reed or Sue suggested it, he'd have to think it over if it was the US. If it was Latveria, well sure why not. On the other hand, if the government was being harmful to the F4, ya best be breaking out the hulk buster armor.

Governments, well the US, has nothing to fear from Hank. Even after Cuba, Hank still believes in working within the government to make the changes to ensure mutant rights and safety. I did have an AU idea inspired by the announced title of X:FC2 in which Erik and Charles are assassinated and Hank going guerrilla fighter however.

Palamedes is currently nothing to fear. He still believes in King and country though that faith is being challenged. Later he becomes feed up with the whole thing and removes himself from the board so I don't think he's ever a problem.

Thalia could be a problem and to be honest, I think Annabeth is all that keeps her from rebelling against Olympus. Well that and her new friends in camp.

Jessica could be a very real danger to the government but her BFF Carol Danvers would stay her hand if she ever was tempted to rebel. If Carol didn't stop her though...And now I am wondering what Jess was up to during the Civil War story.

And for a bonus, my newest head voice, Jason Haley, is a danger to the current Wizard government. He actively is gathering information to bring to the rumored rebels in his canon and sees himself as a revolutionary already.

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Elle is considered a threat by her government, though whether she really should be is questionable. Governments largely operate by maintaining a status quo - sometimes, for better or worse, they manage to influence or create social or political change, but I'd argue that a lot of the time they just reflect it, and 95% of what the government does is just making sure things run as usual - clear roads, trash pickup, utilities, etc. And though she didn't always pay attention to it, Elle was brought up to not interfere with the status quo, whether in her own life or her world generally. She's changed that up in her own life, but not so much in her world - her only real "mission" is to ensure the physical safety of those like her. Beyond that, she's no longer interested in breaking the law for the most part (though she may commit omissions because she also doesn't pay attention to the world at large so much), nor does she have any ambition or interest in overthrowing any government. It's not really even on her radar.

That all being said, her major problem is that her mere existence is a huge threat to the status quo, and governments sometimes react negatively to that.

Asami is sort of mixed - she pointedly stands against the "rebel" side in her canon, but does it because she disagrees with the Equalists, not because she particularly supports her government. Moreover, her father shows how much power someone like her really has - Amon may have had the charisma to build a revolution, but he only really pulled it off because of Hiroshi's technology. While she doesn't at the moment have overt anti-government sentiments, anyone who has such talent and access to resources that they can effectively threaten the government's monopoly on the legitimate use of force is a threat to them.

(Though one could also argue that in Avatarverse, sometimes the only state actor who really matters is the Avatar, which... is a different thing entirely.)

Leslie is part of the government and very much supportive of it ("Cool people make the rules, they don't break them!"). While she's ambitions, she also genuinely believes her work in government can improve people's lives, and this helps her persevere through the fact that working in government is often a frustrating and thankless job, even when she is doing good things. While the government as an entity doesn't have much to fear from her, her ambition and drive certainly could make individuals afraid of her - or at least annoyed with her. If anything, the episode that dealt with her temporary suspension from work just showed that those in government would much rather have her with them than against them.

(I'd also note here that sometimes the focus on government as an institution of power ignores other powerful institutions in society, such as corporations. Asami's power, for instance, in part comes from corporate power, and in canon Leslie has been deliberately cast as acting against corporate power. Albeit in a way much funnier than how I'm describing it.)

The government of Manny's world is really vague, but suffice to say he's no real threat to them. It's even my interpretation of the game that he's sort of an unknowing agent of The Powers That Be. There are some limited government institutions beyond this, but while Manny can be a threat, most of what he does is either self-serving, or for the purpose of attaining his ultimate goal. For instance, at one point he basically helps instigate a strike by introducing some demon bees to Communism (this game is awesome, whatever), but at the same time he's also willing to pay off the police to keep his business running. So he can be a threat, but he's not a rebel.

And because whatever - Marceline is a Queen. Though this does appear to be a real title, as she attends a meeting of Ooo royalty, it's not clear how much of a "government" she really is. And even aside from that, though there are kingdoms in Ooo, beyond them a lot of it appears to basically exist in anarchy. All I'd really deduce is that Vampire King/Queen is a title passed by whoever defeats the current "monarch" (as the creator has said Marceline killed the previous Vampire King), and it basically means Marceline can do what she wants. She's also the heir to the Nightosphere, but that's... all even weirder. Basically, though she has a rebellious attitude, she also has so much power that she has very little to really rebel against.

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Jack, to be really honest, is a threat to absolutely no government, at any time in the future. He has never and will never seek to overthrow an elected government.
Of course, at the same time, he is perfectly happy to act against governments. Particularly when the fate of the world is at stake, and power should be kept out of certain people's hands.
Max stands with Jack, though he's less likely to be offensively active.

Erik. Erm well. Given it was his work that led to an invasion from another dimension/part of the universe? Possibly. Alternatively, you can argue that it was the Tesseract that did most of the work on that one.

Alfred. No, he maybe far more capable than he tends to let on to people, but he's not one for overthrowing governments.

Bean.
Ahhahahahahahahaha.
Let me stop laughing and think. YES. Governments really should fear Bean. They should also be courting him.
Because he's the greatest military strategist Earth has ever seen (post the first book of canon, anyway).

Henry: He's a sweet, almost-normal eleven year old. If a government were Fairy Tale-like Evil he'd want to fight it. But, uh, family wouldn't let him, and he's not really dangerous. One day, who knows. PS: asfdsaghjk; goddammit writers my heart is bleeding

Lois: As a rule, so long as the government is fair, reasonably uncorrupted, not headed by Lex Luthor, not being jerks on other epic levels, not getting in her way over a story, not somehow hurting her family, and not running any personal crusades against superheroes in general and one in particular, she would mostly keep her attention on anything not meeting the above requirements. ...Er, yeah. Wariness is advised.

Tavi: Luckily for Gaius Sextus, Tavi is loyal to him. Others in the government, and post-canon the parts of the government who aren't Tavi and co., have a plethora of reasons to fear him.

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Aang
Yes. The answer is yes. Very much so, yes.

Bumi
I don't know that the government knew what it was getting into when they gave Bumi weapons of mass destruction and the training how to use them.

*grins*

Raph
Raph is bored by politics, and has on more than one occasion fallen asleep in essential war meetings. Just tell him what needs doing and he'll do it.

Government or no, it's never a good day to be a bad guy when Raph is around.

Mike
The same goes for Mike, though...you have to push him extra hard to get him to flip out of a shadow.

Splinter
Don't make him send his sons after you. Because he'll do it.

Ida
Yes. Probably, more than likely, yes.

The Loompas
Screw the government, I'm scared of them.

First off, I am doing pretty much okay. From where I sit, the bulk of NYC really wasn't hit that badly. If anything, that we have a subway system working at the level it's working at is remarkable. And I really want the people angry about the gas lines to stop and think about: 1) how their problems are pretty tiny if they didn't lose their homes in the flooding; and 2) how this is a preview of the future when we run out of gas unless we start doing something about it now.

I suppose any government worth its salt would be a little afraid of someone as powerful as Cyborg. But I also like to think that an intelligent government would not spent its time worrying about him.

CharlieQuestion is the sort that corrupt governments might not like, but the level of effectiveness of his investigations was not enough to generate much worry.

Howard Stark is such a dyed in the wool WWII patriot that everyone trusts him, and that trust continues most of his life, right through the creation of SHIELD.

Knox is an investigative reporter with a lot of skill. Nixon would have had him under watch. But as long as he stays on the local level, no one else would fear him. This could change.

Gibbs is just another pirate. His Majesty's government seems to regard pirates as a threat to navigation and commerce, but not much else, especially given how they treat Jack in the last film.

And Kirk is such a creature of Starfleet that no one ever worries about him being a danger. A rebel of sorts, but not the kind who would ever be anything but loyal.

Oh, and BTW, today is also the anniversary of when Doc Brown invented time travel.

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Artemis, um, maybe? But the governments involved are almost always full of very bad people doing very bad things and I'll stop there. Before I make things sound even worse.

Robo shouldn't be feared generally. He is though. Mostly because of his extensive control of the weird science supply and his insistence, correctly most of the time, that the government doesn't know what they're doing with it.

Tyler isn't and shouldn't be. Dude is small time.

Janet is monitored, of course, by SHIELD and other powerful groups. Like Steve if she thinks things are bad enough there will be rallies and fights so on. When six people can turn an alien invasion away and you're one of them it doesn't matter how you feel about the government. They watch you like a freakin' hawk. Except they totally stole Clint from SHIELD. Whoops!
And all the comments about the Marvel Civil War makes me glad that comics!Jan was ~~dead~~ trapped in a microscopic dimension, or something, for that entire fiasco.

Actually, she wasn't. Secret Invasion happened after. I don't remember what side she was on, in fact she might have been semi-retired and in Paris or something.

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Brisco managed to nearly get executed for treason once, for reasons I won't go into at this point. Suffice to say he's the type of person who will always speak up and take action when he sees someone doing something wrong, whether that person is an authority or not.

As for the other three, the only people who should fear them are themselves.

... AHAHAHAHAHAHAAA.

Jim has certainly been on the wrong side of the law a few times. But he probably won't overthrow the government. He's even worked for it.

Borgel is just a harmless, silly old man. The government has no reason to be afraid of him.

Leela is a companion of the Doctor. And is rather good at the whole fighting thing. So yes, if you're a tyrant. The Company that used to run Pluto ended up learning that the hard way.

Atrus is mostly lawful, and in fact is looking to re-establish a civilization. I suppose his father counts as a "government" figure on Riven.

My incoming pup Tuco is a bandit wanted by the government.

And as for Kane...oooh yes, they should. They should be very, VERY afraid. MWAH-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA!!!

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