ways_back_room | DE: Political Edition!

idk, but Mac may have some opinions about politics...

Le others:

A lot of them just don't care, because politics doesn't really affect their already-shitty life. Mel thinks everyone in power sucks. Teresa doesn't trust anyone ever.

Marguerite is a fierce republican who feels the revolutionary government took everything too far and is torn between thinking British politics is ridiculous and French politics is nearly irredeemable.

Dinah and Renee are both registered to vote and do that thing, and they're both left leaning (Dinah's a fiscal leftie, Renee's a social liberal, they overlap quite a bit.)

Um.

Korra thinks bending is the greatest thing ever! That's totally a political opinion, right?

Korra and Bolin should form their own political party. *solemn nod*

Iiii'm pretty sure there are rules that forbid Korra from showing support to one particular party.

Well, there SHOULD be.

Enzo does not dare speak ill of the government. She has all his embarrassing baby pictures.

Will is currently an outlaw who is committing treason against the current king because he thinks another one should be on the throne. He's of his time and finds it weird to imagine a world without a monarch and just wants one who cares. People who work in government as lawmen make him nervous and those above him in social rank like a lord or anything like that bring out a different side of his personality.

Charles is a quiet Democrat and as he's at the moment in canon working with the CIA finds them helpful. He appreciates much of what they do but is still wary, he knows as someone who's bisexual and a lot of what he knows, they could do great harm to him and other mutants. So he's careful of what he shares with them.

Sameth is part of the Old Kingdom's government as prince and Wallmaker and knows that his sister is better with politics. He pays attention and tries not to mess anything up, but he's better with building things.

Moist avoids governments in all their forms but especially guards as they want to arrest him.

Jane doesn't have a lot of thoughts on government, she hopes for an end to the various wars to keep her brother safe, but other than that I'm not sure.

Demeter finds that most governments change so quickly that its not worthwhile paying too much attention to them.

William is aware of the government as trying to fix all that was broken after the War, but he doesn't see all the effects of it. There are cavalry troops but as Arizona's still a territory, the government feels far away.

Tumnus works with the Pevensies who Narnia's monarchy and government which he enjoys. He loves exploring the history of Narnia and their neighbors to find information to help them.

The Pirate King would like it if the government left him alone.

Harry Percy is the establishment, and he leads a rebellion because he thinks it should be better and less corrupt[ed by Bolingbrokes]. He's honestly quite a reactionary, and has way more ideals than political savvy (HA, understatement of the year!).

Otherwise he tends to be extremely pro-king, though the specifics change from king to king, of course -- and pro-being off doing his own thing in the north and probably waging constant low-grade war against the Scots and possibly also the Nevilles.

Knox is a Reagan Democrat. The sort that is in the center, isn't really conservative on social issues but not happy about taxes, and who has little use for politicians. But loves politics as a bloodsport. He votes in the presidential elections and for mayor, but that's it.

Charlie is pretty darned liberal, and having seen the difference between a good mayor and a bad one really does care about who gets elected, at least locally. The election of Lex Luthor as president soured him on the whole process, though, and he went to his grave convinced that Lex cheated. Charlie's cynicism and idealism collide badly, and often.

Kirk would probably be best called a Kennedy or LBJ liberal, someone who really believes in the social safety net (which the Federation has spread widely) but also in a strong defense. He's not a hawk, but is pretty far from a dove. Heaven knows if he actually votes, though. We've never seen an election on Star Trek.

Howard voted for FDR and agrees with most of the New Deal, but in today's world he would probably be to the right of center. He sees the system from within, knows how to work it, and doesn't entirely trust it. But he does vote.

Cy is rather apolitical, but did vote for Obama last year. He knows that who governs does matter, but he tends to see things as only a full time would, with little room for the debate and debacle of everyday life.

Gibbs is from a time when people of his standing didn't really have a say. There is the king, and the other kings, and everyone else.

Answering my own questions:

Joshua is socially liberal as hell. He is all about making sure that everyone has their rights, no matter who those people are. He's no bleeding heart, although, he'd probably not mind at allll if people legalized pot. Fiscally, he's somewhat conservative other than when it comes to funding scientific research. He does not want to cut social programs, but he does understand there's only so much money to go around. He hasn't bothered trying to vote since he came back from the interdimentional space, but likely he's going to vote in the next election. (2012 for him.) He does not like this Romney character.

Helena in the Victorian era is not best pleased with the government, as they tell her she can't vote, can't love who she wants to openly, and generally like to try to put her in a place she does not belong, thank you very much. In the modern era, she feels so disconnected from everything that she doesn't care much. Although, she does go to a few marriage equality rallies.

Elle has opinions that would probably be thought of as 'socially liberal,' but she doesn't think of them as opinions because she just doesn't perceive the wider political landscape in her world. For the most part, governments have been something she's lived apart from, and the... typical political machinery most people perceive isn't what affects her.

Asami's world is really different, so I don't know how much I can use labels like 'liberal' and 'conservative' or the like. At least in terms of social mores and things like that, she's probably on the more liberal side. But I'm sort of on the fence as to how she feels about the Republic City Council. The big political question in her world right now is whether one supports the anti-bending revolution, which she doesn't.

Katara is from the same world, though in her time the most pressing issue the world is facing at any point is the Fire Nation invasion. Other than that, she doesn't really have a problem with rules and government per se, but if she feels the rules or those enforcing them are being unfair or oppressive, she'll always challenge them.

Leslie is a HUGE political junkie who watches all those morning shows and reads political biographies and historical nonfiction any chance she gets. She also works for the government, both as an employee for her hometown's Parks Department and now as a member of the City Council, and aspires to be President of the United States some day. She's pretty consistently shown as left-leaning in terms of American politics, and at least in terms of what government itself should do, she's shown as the counterpoint to her libertarian boss Ron Swanson. Most of her politics tend to be focused on her belief that government should provide services and sometimes impose regulations that are in the best interests of the people it serves. Which can sometimes lead to trouble, if her ideas have unintended consequences, or some people just don't like that they'll be taxed if they buy/serve a drink the size of a liquefied child.

Hiccup will uh... eventually be pro-dragon? Which is basically a political opinion in Berk.

Manny and Marceline don't have a lot of opinions on this, with Manny being dead and Marceline being in Ooo which is just... a little too incoherent for politics. Or she just think it's something Princess Bubblegum has to deal with.

... ... ... Hokay.

Felix's biggest canonical encounter with government occurs in Alhafra. Alhafra's government consists of a mayor possessed of excessive greed. He's probably not bad, but you wouldn't want to make a deal with him without sending overseers to make sure he doesn't run off with your stuff and "forget" to send his. Anyway. This mayor tells Felix "no reward for you", so Felix takes advantage of the guard's distraction and ransacks his treasure vault. Which happens to be separated from the jail by only a single wall, so he probably had it coming. (It's not entirely clear whether the hole in said wall was there before the pirates got locked up or not.)

So yeah. You say "politician", that's pretty much what Felix thinks of first. He's millicanonically had some dealings with Lord Hammet recently, which have gone well enough; this was helped by the fact that Ivan, one of Felix's friends and Hammet's ward, vouched for him.

Fluttershy lives in... a slightly different place. Equestria doesn't seem to have politics as such; Princess Celestia's ruled for over a thousand years straight, and Mayor Mare doesn't seem to have campaigned for re-election in the [duration of time] since Twilight arrived in town. In general, as long as the government doesn't get in the way of how Fluttershy wants to live her life, she doesn't particularly mind what they do.

Kain... ... is complicated. I don't really know. He's got enough acumen to get the Dragoons back on the map after they fall out of favor, I know that much.

Amascut doesn't really pay attention to the wibbly wobbly liberal/conservative divides, not as much as the Extremist/Moderate divides and who's a hawk and who's a dove. As for her participation... she does political kidnappings, and the occasional act of terrorism, but is mostly someone who manipulates all convenient sides from the background.

Evil Chicken isn't politically involved at all, but he/she gives me libertarian vibes.

Fairy Fixit is a royalist, but not overtly. She is antireligious, though, so she's an interesting mix. Again, she is not overt about it. Being professional about things is more important than politics, though.

Before I start, I'd like to say this is a good one and I worry my own political leanings are going to color my pups.

I honestly don't know what the political landscape is like in Andrea Nash's canon. There are police and military so there must be some sort of government. She'd likely be moderate but strongly against anything that targeted those that were not basic humans. She also likely supports local government more than federal since the lines of communication are more reliable on the local stage than the national.

Quinlan is firmly anti-Empire.

Anton does not care when the humans do except for how much more sympathetic the system is to the Light.

Ben used to not care. He'd vote Democrat and leaned toward moderate but mostly followed Reed's lead. It's easy to do that when you live with the smartest man on the planet. Then Civil War happened. Now he is very active in reading and following the news. He even has his own nonprofit which started as an AntiSHRA lobby which now works as a watchdog for superhero rights.

Hank McCoy is the only one of mine I can see leaning Republican but I don't know much about how the Republican party was in the early 60s. He likely changes parties once he sees how Kennedy handles the Civil Rights movement and all. I think right now he's conservative but will quickly be going liberal with his secondary mutation and the civil rights movement.

Okay, I need to run and go be a parent now.

Natasha is basically socialist-leaning, and is EXCELLENT at politics, but essentially she thinks everyone in power is an asshole. She doesn't hate the government, but I also think it's impossible for her NOT to look at the loopholes in laws and regulations.

A number of decades being Soviet will do that to a girl.

(And also I have no idea if the MCU President of the US is Republican or Democrat, hi, President Ellis, what are yoooooou)

(And also I have no idea if the MCU President of the US is Republican or Democrat, hi, President Ellis, what are yoooooou)

...Probably crazy? Maybe ~~a Skrull~~ an utterly generic shape shifting alien?

More seriously, I vote for quite angry at the WSC after Avengers, because having that happen to Manhattan ruins your chances for reelection.

Ahahah.

Well, we know that he DID get re-elected, as IM3 is set in late 2012, and he's still the President with no mention of a new one (if I understand the US system correctly?) So.

I mean, I feel like whatever he is, and whatever Nat's citizenship status, Nat has a habit of sometimes campaigning for the socialists, as it entertains her, but still. Would like to know *g*

With an attempt at greater clarity (because dashing something off during my lunch break is bad for that): I had meant to write '...with having what nearly happened to Manhattan...'

But yeah, awkward to talk about that whole section of current events/small talk with anyone if you don't know those things.

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Cata doesn't give a damn as long as she's allowed to do her job.

Sam thinks politics are boring; thanks to Mizzamir's influence, his world has only ever seen the sort of polite, well-reasoned, issues-based debates a lot of us would love to get. So far, with Mizzamir gone, the whole democracy thing has stuck in three or four of the Six Lands (one never adopted it in the first place, one promptly closed itself off to the outside world again so no one knows, and - for greatest irony - when you tell a bunch of mages there's a power vacuum, apparently they fight for it!). But I think the nature of the political process is going to get a lot more interesting to him.

Claudia is decidedly a Democrat (and, honestly, wondering what Artifact is responsible for this Tea Party nonsense, at this point).

Apollo doesn't pay mortal politics much mind, and as far as godly politics goes... well, he doesn't always agree with dear old Dad, but he doesn't want to actually be in charge himself. Then he'd have to be all responsible and shit.

Imp doesn't have any particular opinion on the topic.

Regulus thinks the Ministry of Magic is fundamentally broken, Voldemort's not going to fix it, and all Dumbledore wants to do is restore the status quo - which will only lead to another Dark Lord in time for his generation's children to have to deal with it. He'd rather get that mess cleaned up now, thank you very much; once he gets home he's going to get Narcissa in on his plan.

Red has no idea whose subject she even is, not that many of the options are very appealing.
(Ruby is a flaming liberal.)

I'm imagining something picked up from Independence Hall, but the twist would be its actually from a Loyalist not one of the Founding Fathers. I'll need to think on that as it could be a great case fic.

John Dickinson. He wasn't as much of a Loyalist as 1776 made him out to be, but he was no rabid Patriot. Possibly a pen, or a walking stick or a copy of Letters from a Pennsylvania Farmer.

... *shifty* Have I mentioned lately that 18th century is my historical era?

Oh yes, that's a much better idea. One of the signers or someone who worked on the Declaration or Constitution but not one of the well known and all out ones.

Its a favorite era of mine as well. Growing up in Philadelphia helped.

Ooh, you're from Philly too? *fistbump*

Yes, I grew up in Swarthmore, Philly's always going to be my city.

and, honestly, wondering what Artifact is responsible for this Tea Party nonsense, at this point

Sarah Palin's hunting rifle?

If only our political nonsense could be stopped by throwing neutralizer on something or someone.

Urquhart thinks politics are all corrupt, so you're best corrupt, ruthless and exploitative at whoever is in power right back.

Poins thinks politics are mostly a waste of time, unless there is an emergency, which is when you snap to and get things done -- we see this happen in canon.

Teja is my most lawful character -- he thinks politics are the best way of trying to run things in an inherently imperfect way, one ought to keep the law or work to change it, and whoever puts in work and has a stake ought to have a say in the proceedings. Traditions are there for a reason, helping us to not have to re-invent the wheel every time something happens, and the first duty of any leader is to practice what he preaches and put the people he leads before his own needs. His attitude is very 'value conservative' while he would despise most people that are politically conservative in modern times as being corrupt and small-minded.

Tower thinks politics are handy to overthrow them and cause chaos.

Lorenzo thinks politics is something that his father uses to keep him from the interesting things in life.

Sirona thinks that politics are an evolving structure, that they're important, and that people should remind themselves that it's about them, not just some politicians on the telly that are put on some kind of game show which determines which ones of them get to rule. Individual people might well settle for contentment; but the people as such should have their freedom, and she's very much opposed to seeing their agency being taken away.

Margolotta thinks politics is a complex game of Thud played in four dimensions and with n number of participants, and if you identify your own goals well enough and play expertly, you get what you want/think is good for everybody.

Tamara wonders what politics is, and if you can eat it.

And the charrie that I am going to app, of whom some of you know who he is, thinks that politics is something that distracts most people from what's really important in life; you could use the institutional manifestations of politics to obtain your ends, but ultimately, politics are immaterial and not worth bothering with. People as such are far more interesting. And by interesting, I mean either 'edible' or 'worth observing the way an ant farm is'.

Depends on the pup.

My Wraith head voice believes that human politics are of no consequence, but that the word of the Queen is law.

Vala... is Vala. I don't think she thinks much on them, as long as they aren't trying to arrest her, get her pregnant so as to sneak an Ori into our Galaxy, or otherwise be oppressive.

Daniel- I honestly think he leans to the liberal side of middle. He doesn't like dictators, ie the Ori and the Goa'uld. He also, can't stand it when the government sends down orders from politicians, that have no grasp on what is really going on at the SGC. Oh and the International Oversight Committee is evil.

Dead Kai has no opinions.

Mary: Politics are boring.

Her husband will one day sit in the House of Lords, and will hopefully be powerful in the government, but beyond that she doesn't much care.

When she does voice an opinion, she's more liberal than Lord Grantham, more conservative than Lady Sybil.

Carol: Carol's not super politically active, but she has strong opinions and always makes sure to vote as long as she's planet-side near the election.

She's very socially liberal and honestly much less concerned with fiscal issues. (She's very aware that she's not an economist, and doesn't try to be.) She believes very strong in equality (for people of all races, genders, sexual orientations, ages, abilities, mutant genes, et al.), providing support for people law enforcement and the military, and stewardship of the environment.

In the biggest political fracas of her universe, she was in favor registration for superheroes. Accountability to the public is important enough that she's willing to sacrifice a bit of privacy.

Some day I need to decide how Jess feels about registration. We know how the skull queen felt and acted but I feel that was less Jess's core morality and more what will cause the most chaos.

Ugh, stupid Veranke. She makes everything with Jess more difficult. It seems like, in general, characters reactions to SHRA had a lot to do with their own balance between public and private identities, as well as their pull of loyalty towards Cap or Tony. (I don't know that that helps me much in thinking about Jess... she strikes me as much more of a free agent.)

I guess I really should add that Carol ultimately hated some of the stuff she had to do to enforce the SHRA, but that didn't change the fact that she thought supporting it was the right course. If nothing else, she would've tried to talk Jess around to her side.

Honestly I do keep thinking if Jess were to support it, it would be because of Carol. Jess would be concerned about the families of the registered though.

I don't know that Jess supports Cap or Tony but I know if Fury had given an opinion it would have weighted heavily for her.

Ace: Doesn't tend to get involved in local politics, in either version - as long as no one gets into her business, she's more than happy to leave them be in return. She has bigger fish to fry.

Balthazar: Disagrees heavily with Inquisitions. He's quite happy that there hasn't been one in a while.

Haymitch: Is, much to his dismay, a highly political figure. Lapdog? Themed fighting dog? IDK. Snow definitely has an advantage here.

Katya: Can't vote, seeing as anyone who was paying attention probably would have flagged her file a long time ago as 'yeah, probably dead by now'. But she is still (or was still, thing?) sent on missions to support Light-backed political parties. Most of which had disastrous consequences for humanity when Dark got their shot in. Dude, she's still bitterly disappointed about Communism.

Bones: Lives in a golden age of one united planet uniting with other planets omg (no really there's still nasty political infighting in Star Fleet Medical Corps / Star Fleet General, you don't even know, they're nasty and they're armed with laser scalpels.)

Oswin: ........... um, la. Oswin, unfortunately, tends to have bigger problems. Or a lack of right to vote. Or... much bigger problems.

Henry doesn't actually care about politics. He's generally anti-Evil, which is bad for Regina while she's making bad choices. But Storybrooke is-- special.

Lois is liberal, more so in Smallville than in comics, I think. In comics Clark might be more liberal than she is, with her having more conservative fiscal and military opinions; call comics!Lois a Kennedy or LBJ liberal like Knox. Smallville!Lois is socially liberal, not radical but still liberal fiscal opinions. She helped win a state senate campaign, gets into political stuff with stories, fights the anti-hero stuff in season 10. She votes, she writes editorials sometimes, she talks. She's no politician, but she's highly active nonetheless.

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Gordon would be apolitical with a general leaning towards the American version of liberalism and a fondness for Green issues if his world would let him. Unfortunately there is the little matter of reconstructing society from the ground up to deal with, and people have a tendency to either throw themselves at his banner or fake doing things in his name, and so he is kind of stuck with not being able to catch up with science because he's too busy having to take part in politics to keep his own name clean instead.

Back in 2008 I wrote this down about Shephard: "Adrian dislikes politics intensely, on the grounds that most politicians wouldn't know life on the ground if it bit them. Nevertheless he's a registered voter, though he's generally favored third-party candidates. He voted Nader in the 2000 presidential election because he wanted the mining companies in the Rowlesburg area to clean up their act, and he didn't trust Al Gore to do the job. He regretted that decision after the fact. (ETA: Shephard is of the opinion that if they were still around he'd probably vote for the Bull Moose Party, but he'd prefer they not have that plank about limiting naval armaments and that they put an actual antitrust plank in the platform. He also admires Teddy Roosevelt's attitude towards conservation: wildlife and wilderness are resources to be managed so that they can be used. Essentially, preserve wildlife so that there'll always be enough to shoot at.)"

Ellen makes the blankface at you in response to this question. Asking about politics implies a situation in which, like, law exists.

I don't know what Medic's political leanings are except that he considers the Nazis to have been morons and a disgrace to the name of Germany, and that he will punch anybody who calls him one.

Varric really dislikes the politics of Kirkwall and does not want to get involved in it. When political events force him to get involved, his political leanings are 'What will protect my family and my friends, and dwarves?'.

Mordin... look, Mass Effect is all about politics and warfare on a galactic scale. If you think this has ANY RELATION WHATSOEVER to a simple little thing like 'conservative' versus 'liberal' he is probably going to laugh at you.

Santo is largely socially conservative and believes that the government should protect and support its people, and that if there are bad laws or laws being enforced unjustly, the proper response is to expose the badness to such intense public scrutiny and attention from legitimate uncorrupt lawmakers that it has to be changed.

And Ray is not very fond of politics in general, which makes things kind of hilarious given that the State Department keeps reconfirming him as Ambassador-at-large for issues of non-human sapience.

Tavi lives and breaths politics. I could do a multi-page tl;dr on Alera. It has two axes of politics: actual social/fiscal/legislative/military issues and the dynastic disagreements. No one in Alera wants to upset the Roman Emperor-Senate model and social issues are odd, so by modern Earth standards he's a monarchist who is less liberal than in-context. In-context:

On issues, Tavi is liberal. No, really. Dynastically Tavi is conservative. It's more personal, as Tavi believes in order, Gaius isn't a bad ruler, and some degreee of 'he doesn't have heirs have your civil war after he dies unless he finds a way to preserve the peace.'

Social radical liberal who believes First Lord Gaius should be strongly in control of the situation. Works well for him.

Janet is vaguely liberal and green, but also quite rich. There's a fair bit of privilege there.

Robo is pretty liberal. His conservative tendencies come from being effectively immortal. So do his Green ones.

Tyler is pretty sure everyone is corrupt. Being in a supernatural cyberpunk-ish setting he is correct.

Artemis doesn't pay attention. Eventually, I figure she pushes individual issues instead of backing a party. (Endorsing a party is costume is a big no-no, being say, pro-vaccine in costume is passable.)

Ako doesn't really pay attention either. When she does, she'd mostly like them to help or get out of the way. There's a disaster that needs to be dealt with, darn it, but if they have a plan that looks sensible (ie. not running off the suffering of orphans, or souls, that sort of thing) she'll back that instead.

Autor's only source of news is the bar. He's diving into now and future history texts and newspapers to figure out what he wants to when he rules the world.

He really doesn't like child labor, and isn't looking forward to being shot at in WWI.

Bilbo and Merlin are both from times when there were kings and all was right with the world. The Ice King is a king. (Simon, I imagine, was one of those absent-minded professors who gave little thought to politics.)

Lydia I can easily see as being fiscally conservative while socially progressive. I can also see her heavily involved in promoting women and girls studying science and math.

Steve is not especially political, despite the flag on his chest. He believes in the Dream. He is quite socially liberal, though, but growing up in a city during the Depression and working as an artist during same will do that to a fella.

Clare does not care. She sees politics as a human thing, irrelevant to her -- it doesn't have any bearing on her life, and it's not hers to decide any of it. I guess you could argue that [spoiler] is a political organization, but her feelings about that are personal rather than ideological anyway, so.

Thor, on the other hand, lives immersed in politics. But his are very personal too -- they have to be, when you're the prince and heir of a very actively ruling monarchy. (He probably comes down as somewhat conservative in an Asgardian context, but that's really not the same thing as any given Earth context.) He doesn't really have any opinions on Earth politics, except that the lack of a united planetary government makes treaties annoyingly complicated. He'd have plenty of opinions on individual politicians, but he'd mostly keep them to himself, because cultural relativism! Earth isn't his jurisdiction -- protecting Earth from outside threats, yes, because he's placed it under his protection and offered his alliance, but not Earth's internal wrangling about succession and national borders and petty politics.

Trowa's relationship with politics is... complicated. Uh. He sees his role as an outside monitoring factor, stepping in to influence when an impending crisis warrants it, for what that's worth. And he does vote! Cynically, but nonetheless. I don't even know how to classify him on a liberal/conservative scale -- "revolutionary"?

I'll have to ponder how to summarize Regan's and River's attitudes.

As a New York City employee, Tommy hates politics and politicians. His world's politics are our Real World's, the Real New York's, so his issues are taken from real situations, like Mayor Bloomberg's budget cuts and constant threats of shutting down firehouses to save money. I would say Tommy straddles the line between liberal and conservative just because of his attitude and views (he's probably more liberal than people realize). He hated Bush and voted for Obama, although he'll give anybody, whether Democrat or Republican, equal ire and disdain. He even got into a brawl with a politician on camera, which made the evening news. Way to go, Tommy.

Clementine: Is a fringe party supporter, something uber-liberal and crunchy. But she always forgets to vote.

Dixie: Isn't legally allowed to vote yet, but is a justice seeker of the highest order.

Juliet: Compulsively voting independent. Brushes up on all of the issues beforehand. Votes to balance out Shawn's voting for the guy with the most charisma :p

Pinkie: Ponyville doesn't really have a political system, does it?

I don't know how well-formed Aradia's political opinions are (and now that her world is dead it hardly matters). Before her first death, at least, she definitely considered bluebloods to be snobs and I doubt she had a better opinion of anyone higher up in the Alternian hierarchy.

Thurlow has more cohesive political opinions! They have a low opinion of the governments of Europe and no particular fondness for the British Empire. The Masters of the Bazaar seem to be above-par as governments go, in their opinion, although they find the Masters' minions to be vile, corrupt, and generally smug and insufferable in the way that only people with more clout and social standing than you can be. They'd like to be a social reformer, if the local reformist movements weren't so choked with violent revolutionaries and what their author might call human-supremacists.

Most of Thurlow's opinions about governments come from me noticing that, while the Masters don't meet the minimum standards we hold governments to in the present, Fallen London under the Masters of the Bazaar is a kinder and more egalitarian place than the actual Victorian London. (I'm fuzzy on what the rest of Europe was like at that time, but probably similar.)

Also Thurlow wouldn't know what to do with an elected ruler. They don't really care whether it's a monarch or otherwise. (The Masters insist that they aren't the government, merely businessmen, but nobody believes them.) They're not convinced it would make much difference. Thurlow is cynical about governments.

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Politics, a word coming from poly, meaning many, and ticks, which are blood sucking creatures.

It'll come as no surprise to find that Sunshine is vehemently against many blood-sucking creatures.

Oh, er. You meant political creatures. Sunshine's world hasn't had a major war between human nations in over a century - humans are really good at banding together and organizing themselves against an external threat. The world is run by the global council, to which Sunshine gives relatively little thought. They have no more impact on her day-to-day (and night-to-night) life than moderately well-known celebrities would to someone who doesn't really follow Hollywood gossip.

Ginsberg has a lot of very loud political opinions that he's happy to share, many of which involve conspiracy theories and most of which are towards the extreme-left end of the spectrum. The circumstances of his birth have made him extremely sensitive about war and violence, and he often finds it difficult to trust the government--any government.

Being from 1968, he is very much opposed to the Vietnam War--to war in general, really--which is another thing he'll gladly unleash an angry tirade about to anyone who'll listen. He would be outraged by senseless bloodshed no matter what, but exacerbating his strong feelings is the fact that he knows he's the right age to be drafted, and that's a constant fear weighing on the back of his mind.

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