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Daily Entertainment: Belief Edition
Goooooooooooooooood Morning (or whatever it is in your locality) Milliways!
Today is going to be a great day (or so I keep telling myself).
The Ponderable Question for you all for the day is:
What does your character believe in? Do they ascribe to a certain religion? Would they rather ignore the entire thing? If they don't have a religion per-se, is there something in their lives that could almost be concieved as a religion, such as scientific progress or money or romance?
Today is going to be a great day (or so I keep telling myself).
The Ponderable Question for you all for the day is:
What does your character believe in? Do they ascribe to a certain religion? Would they rather ignore the entire thing? If they don't have a religion per-se, is there something in their lives that could almost be concieved as a religion, such as scientific progress or money or romance?

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Herself and her siblings, and everything else real and true.
Yes. Incredibly strongly. Both the man and the lion, thanks to Milliways.
She struggles with hers, as you do when you know creatures like The Beyonder, and happen to be the universal force of creation/destruction.
Ha. No. No. No. (>_> I mean don't look at Book Two. He totally didn't say "Carlisle was right" with wonder, when he thought he'd died and gone to heaven. Nothing to see her, busy being jaded and unwilling.)
She and God have a lot of bumps. She doesn't understand why any god let this happen to the world, but after watching so many hunters die in her life she has to hope, for their sakes and based on how much they lost, how much they gave up, how much good they did for the world, that something better is waiting for them on the other side. She was faith, more than belief.
No, currently.
This isn't really part of her canon or world at all, so none here for Snow. But Mary Margaret is waffly, and does wear a tiny gold cross from time to time. I'd say she's looking for something to believe in, because she feels like she should or maybe one day she'll find what she must have believed in, but for now none of it fulfills her
In God, yes. (Even with all he's seen. Even with all he's done.) But in religion, no.
(And Audrey Parker just really isn't that kind of girl. Little does she know, you know.)
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Helena is an atheist. She does, however, believe in Artifacts and science, and invention. Most of the time, however, she'd just rather avoid the topic altogether.
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Fluttershy... I have no idea. Off the top of my head, there's a "thank Celestia" in season 1 and an "as Celestia is my witness" in season 2, which suggests that the fandom's early perception of the Princess may be shared by at least some ponies, but I don't recall Fluttershy saying anything along those lines. (For the curious: the former was Applejack in "Bridle Gossip" and the latter was Rarity in "Sisterhooves Social".)
Kain I'm not entirely certain of. He does believe in an afterlife from which his father can watch him (which does somewhat work with what one of the characters who dies in the course of canon says afterward), but beyond that I'm not sure.
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But on another, more neurotic level, the one thing he really worships is fire.
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Shephard, on the other hand, is a Methodist and a believer. He grew up in a family where 'Well, that was stupid of you, wasn't it? Quit crying and go rub some dirt on it' was standard procedure, so the idea that God would allow something like the Combine invasion to happen is not a problem for his theological view. Humans brought that shit on themselves, after all, so they'd better fucking fix it. He does not particularly fear death because he made his peace with the Lord long ago, as he sees it. And, yes, he's assimilated the Marine Corps as a chunk of personal and spiritual identity on the level other people give to formal religion. I don't think he was like that before the Black Mesa Incident. Things happen.
Ellen believes. She was raised in the Vault 101 tradition of Christianity, which was a badly castrated version of Christian theology disguised as an attempt at ecumenicalism among the Vault's original population. Vault-Tec didn't intend for Vault 101 to ever really be opened, so the only Bibles and religious texts they allowed in there were the ones they printed for residents' use- and they'd been edited to remove passages about God protecting people in the wilderness or looking after missionaries, etc. The Great Commission doesn't exist in the Vault-Tec edition of the Bible. Ellen got mad when she got hold of the copies of the Bible in the Arlington Library archives and found out how much had been removed or changed- one more important thing important people had lied to her about- and while she still believed in the (admittedly rather limited) God she'd been taught about by her father and Reverend Avellone, a lot of the specifics were just going to have to go out the window. You know, now that windows were an option... She's largely assimilated Brotherhood of Steel faith tenets, which tend to focus more on the physical world and the roles and duties of humans and tech. I've millicanoned some stuff about Brotherhood religion other than that; it tends to involve God as the architect of the universe, the master of engineers, and the shield of soldiers. Which she can deal with.
Mordin has been asking what he believes in for a long time now (long by salarian standards, anyway) and poking at a lot of religious beliefs. He seems to have an inclination towards karma and reincarnation. Science is not so much a central belief for him as a part of life, rather more like breathing.
Varric is a dwarf, and while he swears by Andraste, it's the same way a human of no particular religious belief will still say 'oh my God'. He doesn't really give a damn about religion unless it gets a sword put in him or his friends.
Medic is an atheist and has it firmly in his head that science can overcome anything if you do it right. His lifelong goal is to bitchslap Death- not the way Herr Engineer's respawners do, but to make it possible to genuinely be immortal.
Santo is Catholic and firmly believes in his religion, although the external forms of it are a little weird for him these days since it's 1967 and Vatican II is still pretty recent. (Mass in Spanish instead of Latin? The altar being allowed to face the congregation? etc.) But he does believe in God and morality and doing the right thing with the gifts you have been given. His happen to be strength and wrestling skill, which should be used to protect the weak and the defenseless as well as honed in the ring and used to entertain people.
And Ray keeps meeting gods from every kind of pantheon, some in hostility mode, some in benign mode, some being Great Old Ones or worse... which just makes it weirder for him, every time, that he's never encountered the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. He'd think about the question more if it weren't for the fact that these guys keep trying to burn his face off.
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If I ever bring in Sazed I could see some interesting conversations going down. He's got hundreds of religions in his copperminds and he loves sharing them.
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Hilariously enough.Just. I think his whole philosophy can basically be summed up by:
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*I should clarify this. This is the case of exclusive worship. Exclusive belief without worship would be misotheism, basically. Non-exclusive belief or worship, as part of the Menaphite Pantheon or something else, could range from basic "I reject Amascut and all her works and all her empty promises" type thing if there isn't a bigger bad around (though lord of empty promises is usually an epithet for someone else) to appeasement of a troubled spirit to belief that she plays a necessary role in the world. Or maybe just a goddess to pray to for good fortune in battle or hunts.
Fairy Fixit is a misotheist. She acknowledges that gods exist but believes they range from bad for their worshipers to just plain evil. She was on the edge of atheism until the god she kinda sorta acknowledged let himself be killed and made misotheistic pronouncements. It really bothers her that there is the possibility that she is a misotheist because of him.
Huh. Strange that my two actives are god haters.
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Claudia: Raised vaguely Catholic, but she gave up trying to make sense of it a long time ago ("I don't get it, Joshua. If that's supposed to be someone's body now, shouldn't it be a lot bloodier? I don't think I want a stale cracker and some nasty grape juice. ...I can't have it because I haven't had it yet? Then when can I have it???"). The nature of her work has her cheerfully agnostic; the show's unclear on whether the things tied to various religions were created by the gods themselves or through the fervent belief of their worshipers. She's got better things to do than try to figure it out.
Apollo: Thinks it's cute how people think only one god can take care of all their needs, these days, but who is he to judge?
Imp: Hasn't really thought about it since he left Llamdeos, but being raised by a bunch of druids leaves its mark.
Regulus: Other than the occasional oaths to Merlin, there's no indication that Christianity is a major factor in British wizarding society; I maintain that 'Christmas and Easter hols' are a holdover from back when Hogwarts was founded, and Muggle families would need the reassurance their children would be able to carry on in their faith even if they went to this weird magic school. So I don't think Regulus has much concept of religion at all.
Red: Uh, she says 'gods' a fair bit? But I don't know how much of that is out of any particular belief in them.
Ruby: Hell if I know. Probably dabbled in neo-paganism to piss her grandmother off, at one point.
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Times are tough all over Apollo, even gods can't afford to specialize.
But you knew that already.
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Knox was raised with a mix of his mother's Judaism and rather generic American Christianity from his father's side. He identifies as a Jew, more culturally than anything else, but he is pretty sure there is a God of some sort, and that God does have a strange relationship with the Jews, given the Holocaust but also the Six Day War. He observes Hanukkah, but that is about it for following the Torah (which doesn't actually include Hanukkah).
Howard is a man of science, and until you can prove there is a God, he doesn't accept it as truth. He doesn't care much for religion, though it wouldn't be fair to say he substitutes science for it.
Charlie has no idea what to believe. He's too much of a doubter to ever rule out or rule in God, or a correct faith. He has nothing whatsoever to do with organized religion, though. His heart veers closest to Buddhism, but even that doesn't quite work for such a skeptic. One could say that skepticism IS his faith.
Cy was raised rather devout and attended church till his mother died. He doesn't think of himself as religious now, but his code of conduct is very much informed by his childhood upbringing. He is sure there is a God of some sort who is benevolent.
And Gibbs believes with all his heart that the Trinity is real, that there is reward and punishment, and that he is going to Hell.
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Rad believes in Primus, but, then, pretty much everyone on Cybertron does. Some are inclined to ascribe mystical abilities to Primus that go above and beyond just being the originator of the Transformers as well as his body being the planet itself, whereas others are a bit more "down to earth". Rad is in the latter category.
Xamot and Tomax are non-believers. Kind of hard to believe in a god as monotheists believe him to be, and do the stuff they do.
If religion exists in cyberspace, it's based off of actual things, like Users or historical figures that played a role in the origins of cyberspace. Users are not gods, but what they do is often a mystery, because their actions are often unfathomable. Users send upgrades when they feel like it, play Games when they feel like it, go online when they feel like it, and so on, and no one can seem to figure out why that is. And Users are clearly unaware of how their actions affect the citizenry of cyberspace. Basically it's akin to saying "God is real, but no one can understand His mind". I do not know what Matrix or Megabyte believe in, exactly, but it would probably be based on their own perceptions of Users.
Scootaloo I'm not sure. Celestia and Luna fulfill roles that in our world would be god-like, but they're actual beings that interact with the rest of the people in the world. And people are certainly deferential towards the princesses. But, as the laws of physics is quite different in Equestria [I mean, pegasi control the weather?], the respect and admiration directed at Celestia and Luna may be based on the fact that the sisters have a greater control over magic and physics than most ponies would have. A kind of ... semi-worship over ability and skill, not divinity like it would be on Earth.
Unicron is a god-like entity in Transformers canon. Of course he believes in himself.
Rabastan is a non-believer. It's hard for him to believe that a god of any kind—but especially a benevolent deity—exists anywhere in the multiuniverse. This despite him meeting a god or two in the bar, and being healed by the goddess of Lunar after his encounters with Slenderman, but in his mind, they're world-specific beings, not universal entities. If there was a universal god that cared about people, and would help them when they needed it most... He can only conclude that there isn't one.
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Hank was raised a casual Christian but believes in Science more. In the future I can see Hank becoming a Buddhist or Taoist. Western religions have too much judgment for him.
Andrea has yet to meet any gods worth worshiping. She believes in protecting life and all the Order stands for, too bad her view of the Order's tenants and its own don't align so well.
Anton believes in the Light but keeps finding himself wondering what the true difference between the Light and Dark are.
Thalia...well she is an interesting case. It's more family tradition to her than religion.
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Artemis: There's probably something that creates universes. Gotham and Metropolis in Kansas is too strange to be random.
Robo: Has met his creator, thanks. Not that there aren't great and alien powers in the universe, there totally are. Just, they aren't actual gods. (The goalposts may need moving occasionally. So it goes.)
Tyler: Generic lapsed American Christianity. So, mostly Protestant, hasn't been to Church in years and hasn't been outside of Easter and Christmas for longer.
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Lois: lapsed Christianity, functionally agnostic, most likely. Eventually, though, I think this conversation will very much apply. Just because she doesn't revere him doesn't mean he doesn't keep her from being wholly cynical.
Tavi: Alerans have no religion. No, really. They don't. I'm not sure how. They have differing semi-scientific theories about furycrafting which are... aaalmost religion, but isn't quite. The Marat have a pantheistic solar-centric religion. Tavi... honestly doesn't believe in much of anything.
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Sunshine vaguely may or may not believe in gods, in a just-in-case-they're-listening way, but doesn't follow any religion. If she worships anything, she worships the sun - but in a practical, glad-it's-there-or-else-we're-all-dead way.
Zelgadiss' world has gods and monsters. He doesn't worship any of the gods, but knows they exist. Or existed. Or whatever. *shruuuug* He'd much rather such creatures left the world alone.
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Will is from a time when the Church defined many aspects of life and its what he knows, yet he's also part of the Robin Hood legend and Sherwood has older magic in it. He's been told that he's cursed by the Devil with his hair and that as a thief he'll go to hell, which he accepts as well as knowing there are older and stranger gods in Sherwood. And he's had years in Milliways where he's met the Green Man and other gods. He's also someone who believes as part of who he is, that's why he's so loyal to Robin, he trusts him to a degree that can be frightening. Its something I honestly can't answer simply for him, because his beliefs are complicated.
Charles was raised as a protestant but I don't think it means a lot to him. I imagine his family was Episcopalian and he went to church sometimes but he believes in evolution and empathy above all. He's not at a point where he could perhaps articulate this but that's who he is and on those two ideas, he builds his identity as Professor X and the Xavier school.
Moist knows the gods are out there and would like them to not pay too much attention to him. He knows about all the larger religions on the Disc and I'm sure some of the smaller ones due to jobs. Uberwald didn't seem as focused on the gods as others, the god of survival came first and that's who he follows though he will always leave offerings for Lady Luck.
Sameth is from an odd canon religionwise as the Charter is what makes the Old Kingdom exist and there are the Bright Shiners but they're more of a myth. I think Ancelstierre has some sort of religion but its never focused on. For Sameth, there's the Charter which he knows and swears by.
William doesn't believe in god as much as he used to before Mark got sick, before the war and before Contention. He goes to church with his family and when scared does pray but I think there's not as much belief behind it for him. Its hard for him to believe in a god that allows what happened during the War.
Jane's father is actually a vicar and so religion is a part of her daily life. She believes but it doesn't define her, religion is there and important to her just not to the extent it is for others of her time. I think for her the idea of being overly pious is another kind of trying to fit into society's ideals so she understands it but its not her.
Demeter is a goddess, which means its more about people believing in and knowing of her than her belief. As the Greek Gods are complicated, I think she's both simpler and more complex in terms of ideas of belief. At this point in history, she's a story, a myth,, an archetype and a goddess.
Tumnus is like Will in that his loyalty is a huge part of him. He believes in Aslan who's breath he has felt, he believes in Lucy's friendship and trust in him and he believes in Narnia.
The Pirate King, I think is vaguely Christian, sometimes Ruth drags the pirates off to church or they kidnap a reverend to give them a service, other wise he doesn't care that.
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Mogget: *hisses*
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Merlin's world has a weird attitude toward religion. There are constant references to "the old religion" (presumably, pre-Christian England's paganism) but they never really show what the new religion is. Considering how big a role the Church played in the medieval world, I just chalk it up to Merlin's anachronism stew and don't dwell on it. If Merlin has a religion of his own, it's "the old religion," since he's part of it and it's part of him.
Is there religion in Middle Earth? It's always seemed to me it's more about stories, and one's faith is placed in those stories. Hobbits, I would imagine, don't hold with something so airy as An Old Man In the Sky--they're far too sensible for such things. (I suppose that's why angels walk the land in the guise of wizards....I dunno, I'm just riffing here.)
The Land of Ooo has Glob. Glob is sometimes mentioned as being worshipped. That's about it.
Lydia is cheerfully agnostic, and will only believe in supernatural creatures once she's seen them.
And if I'd apped my Possible New Kid this month I would have so much to say on this topic. *pats the New Kid*
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Andrew believes that every god who's ever been worshipped or feared or theorized about probably exists, but doesn't have faith in any of them as such. Insofar as he has faith of that kind in anything, it's in Milliways itself and in Dream of the Endless.
Simon considers religion at best a harmless superstition / social community builder. He believes firmly in rationality and science as a force for good in the 'verse, although he probably wouldn't put it that way.
Charlie believes in the Rose.
Cavilo has faith in nothing and thinks faith of any sort is another word for stupidity.
Kali does not consider this question as one that applies to her. Iiii am not about to argue.
Nepeta believes in her furiends and in the importance of shipping.
The Aeslin Mice ahahahahahahaha *headdesks*
To quote their extracanonical Word of God: "Each colony of Aeslin mice to have been recorded has worshiped a different god or set of gods. These have included, but were not limited to, a large oak tree, a roll-top desk, and Caroline Davies's chickens."
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That said, I have been toying with the idea of a proper pantheon. Charles Babbage and Ada Lovelace would, of course, be their Father God and Mother Goddess (which means that hardware corresponds to the masculine principle and software to the feminine). Above them, the two opposing creators of the stuff of being, Tesla and Edison, are locked in perpetual combat. A friend has suggested Marconi as the Trickster.
I really need to learn to make stained glass.
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... thank you, Helena.
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Thor: Asgardian religion* is more philosophical than anything else; they really don't have deities, per se. But they do have beliefs about honor, righteous behavior, the afterlife, etc. Thor accepts these without thinking terribly hard about them, and also without feeling any need to evangelize beyond a certain level of BUT THAT IS OBJECTIVELY DISHONORABLE AND WRONG when he runs up against certain kinds of culture conflict. He cares about actions a lot more than about what name you put on them.
And, you know. He's been worshipped as a god in his time. Which definitely gives him a sort of amused condescension towards the entire concept of personified deities, but hey, whatever works for you.
*I don't want to actually imply that I'm committing the standard SFF fallacy of having only one religion per world, no matter how small a world it might be. But I also am not planning to millicanon any schisms any time soon, so... whatever is the dominant one Thor was raised with is probably pretty dominant, at least among the upper classes.
River is... hmm. Complicated! Because she's very pragmatic. If something affects her life, or if there's compelling evidence that it exists, she'll work with that. If that's not the case, she doesn't really feel any need to argue about it. The things that spring to mind as things she believes in are ka and the clearing, both of which are Dark Tower concepts she picked up via Milliways. Ka is fate, and River uses it pretty much as a catch-all term/concept for "stuff I/we/you can't control," i.e. a thing to get grumpy at while knowing it's out of your hands, so that you can move on with separating out the things you can do something about. The clearing is an afterlife concept, and she does believe that everyone will get reunited with their friends in the clearing after death, sooner or later. The concept and wording comes courtesy of Roland Deschain, but the belief comes courtesy of Death of the Endless.
Regan used to be vaguely Christian-flavored Buddhist (because... Firefly), but mostly secular/agnostic. Then she ran into a bunch of angels and demons and magic-workers, in her own world as well as Milliways. So now she... is still mostly secular/agnostic, but more confused when she tries to think about theological questions! It's an uncomfortable kind of confusion, so she tries not to think about theological questions. Regan is good at not thinking about things.
Clare has no interest in religion or gods. If you really wanted her to express an opinion, she would say that she doesn't think they exist, but if they do they seem either cruel or useless. But people can believe whatever they want.
The exception to that is that there are twin goddesses, Clare and Teresa, whose story and names she has a lot of emotional investment in, for obvious reasons. But she doesn't care about the actual goddesses. She cares about her Teresa.
Trowa is an agnostic. I would say an atheist, but that implies more energy considering the matter, and more of a strong opinion on the subject, than actually applies. He really genuinely does not find religious questions relevant to his life.
And I really wanted to answer this one for my newly adopted character, so I'm going to, even if he won't be in for a while yet. Enjolras is, in terms of conventional religion, a child of Enlightenment philosophy. He comes from a generally Catholic milieu, but his own beliefs are somewhere in the Deist/secular humanist end of things. He vaguely assumes there's a Supreme Being of some sort, but he doesn't spend a lot of time thinking about that, because his primary concerns are with this world and with humans' actions in it.
That said, what he does have instead is a fervent, unshakeable, all-consuming belief in republicanism and revolution. Victor Hugo throws around terms like "priest of the ideal" a lot. (Speaking in meta terms, Enjolras is at least half a symbol of violent revolution incarnate anyway.) Revolution is a sacred concept and a sacred moral duty to Enjolras, in a very specifically 19th century French conception of the term, and his entire life is dedicated to it.
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Thurlow, on the other hand, is somewhere between a deist (in their beliefs) and a Christmas-and-Easter Christian (in their practices). They believe in at least the existence of the Christian God, because that's how they were brought up, but they're not terribly passionate about it. They also hate getting up early and being subservient to authority, so going to church is something they avoid whenever possible. (They have been known to cynically turn up for Sunday worship as a useful way of getting people to shut up about their scandalous depravity.) They believe much more strongly in science and the power of knowledge.
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Juliet: The law. Honesty.
Pinkie: HAPPINESS.
Dixie: Justice, equality and music. She's the only pup I have with even the slightest bit of a religious background (she attended a convent).