ways_back_room | DE: Fictional Fiction!

There are some Life on Mars spin-off novels for Gene, which are...well, they're strangely compelling, but also extremely dodgy. There are various fan comics, which are generally great, but not official.

The Bruces - ahahaha. I couldn't even begin to touch all the works of fiction outside the cinema-verse for both of them. For a start, there are many people here who are far more familiar with them than I. But...the original comic books, and then TV shows, and animation, and other films and...yeah.

Javert - there are about eight previous Les Mis films that spring to mind, though none of them musical (that I'm aware of, at least). I have a hankering to get hold of the 70s film with Anthony Perkins as Javert, as fandom is forever talking about it. Then there are the worldwide stage adaptations, and as the cast for these change year on year, they can all be said to be different interpretations of the same material. There is also a Japanese animated TV adaptation called Shoujo Cosette, which I have only seen clips of because it makes my head explode with random. There is a recent self-published (fanfic, basically) book on Javert, and his backstory, called Barricades. I have it, but am too scared to read it at present. I like my own backstory for him, anyway.

There is probably tons more I haven't come across yet. And none of my pups know they're fictional. Of all of them, Banner is probably the one who would be most OK with it, as he is most accepting of parallel worlds and whatnot.

Have you seen the early 80s French cartoon version?

I've only seen the last episode on YouTube, which

skygiants and I watched for the sheer WTF. We spent the entire time sputtering with horrified, baffled laughter.

(Javert jumps into the Seine... and then Valjean and Cosette pass over the bridge in a carriage, and spot the fellow drowning, and Valjean jumps in and saves him! It's not hard, so I guess Javert can't swim or something; no rapids here. Then Javert thanks him! And announces his intention to move to America! "Aw, shucks, if you gotta go, I guess," says Valjean. Javert happily waves to them as he boards the ship, and tells the captain his name is Fauchlevent.

Then Cosette has a birthday party. In attendance are any number of people, including Bishop Myriel, Gavroche and his adorable puppy, Marius's three revolutionary buddies including Enjolras (although I'm not sure which he was, since none of them looked like him), and Victor Hugo. Victor Hugo thinks "Marius Pontmercy" is a delightfully romantic name, and would like everybody to tell him more of their life history please.

Also, the animation is terrible.)

...I wish I didn't feel compelled to watch this now, BUT I TOTALLY DO. *cries*

I'M HERE TO HELP.

I can try to dig up the name and/or link if you like, or I can mercifully forget to do so if you want to be saved from your own worse fannish impulses. *laughing*

l;dfkaj what sort of choice is that!?

SHOW ME NO MERCY, MADEMOISELLE.

*kills self*

(But, yes please. :D)

I must respect the sacred freedom of an individual's choice; if that choice is a foolish one, injurious to happiness and unlikely to safeguard your brains in the least, upon your own head be it, citizen.

Javert briefly in the Seine: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yz1_3s_Cxhg&feature=c4-overview-vl&list=PL47471A677D93F183

Cosette's birthday party: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkJw7ISn3ZQ&list=PL47471A677D93F183

Other episodes, none of which I've watched, may also be found at http://www.youtube.com/user/TrompelaMort1989.

What have I done, sweet Jesus, what have I done?

I have no idea what I just watched. COMPLETE WITH SCRAPPY DOG WEARING A NECKERCHIEF. Also? Lamest. Party. Ever.

I have never been so glad I don't speak French. I am traumatised.

Javert: I HAVE NOT BEEN SO HARD ON ANY ROGUE I HAVE KNOWN. *broken*

I speak some, but not enough to be terribly helpful with full-speed listening comprehension. I tend to think incomprehension is a minor mercy in this case, though.

Nothing is really sufficient to dull the trauma, though. Can you imagine what the scriptwriting room must have been like? Full of recreational drugs, is all I can think of.

I think it probably went something like:

'Let's bring Les Mis to the kids!'

'BON! Only no one must die, and it need not make sense, because, kids. And we will remind them that it is a book by putting the author in there, because education. And there should be a dog. Pass the absinthe.'

'Don't forget the scary music when the creepy inspector turns up. Also, he must have a nose that could poke out an eye. And Marius must have an expression only ever seen on the fully-drugged. You can have the absinthe when you give the bong back. My LSD is wearing off. Lets have the Bishop show at a party at the end.'

'Can anyone remember the student kid's names? Did they die in the book?'

'Who cares!? Give this to the animators when they wake up from their lobotomies, and lets go for wine.'

*cheers all 'round*

Mind you, they did get Marius pretty spot-on. >_>

ACCURATE ON ALL COUNTS

*dying of laughter*

Don't forget Victor Hugo showing up at the end to write it all down!

Although I admit, I do kind of find hilarious the implication that EVERYTHING WAS ACTUALLY FINE AT THE END, it's just that Victor Hugo decided he'd rather do tragedy porn. KILL ALL THE THINGS!

... Mark wandered by long enough to ask if that's supposed to be his ass in that icon. *FACEPALM*

QUITE PROBABLY. :D?

Sunshine's canon explicitly references mentions Godzilla, Bram Stoker's Dracula, Le Fanu's Carmilla, and Sherlock Holmes as being works of fiction in her world (though Sunshine herself hasn't read any Sherlock Holmes). There are numerous other books mentioned, but they are in-world only - not works of fiction in our RL. Sunshine also has a superb working knowledge of myths and fairy tales, some outright obscure as things would be judged in our world, and various kinds of Others. :)

Yrael's and Zelgadiss' canons don't take place on Earth, so none of Earth's fiction applies.

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Nothing!

Well, no, that's not true. Fluttershy's canon does have some stuff, both canon and millicanon: Daring Do (Pony Indiana Jones), Con Mane (Pony James Bond), and so on, and implicit in her first entrance is some manner of science-fiction culture. But apart from that, I got nothing.

Warehouse 13 references SO MANY THINGS.

minkhollow and I keep meaning to sit down and write down all of the references. Some amusing ones: "Suck it, Magneto!", "Allons-y!", "On a scale from The Hulk to [something, I can't remember what]", "Kirk out, oh, and Spock too" Oh, and did I mention the laser-cutter lightsabre with corresponding sounds? Yeah.

The Warehouse'verse does have some notable fictions of its own, however, including Raymond St. James movies (very diverse actor, some pretty damn terrible movies, sorry Pete), and the Iron Shadow (comic book hero somewhere between Kick Ass and Batman as far as I can tell.)

Joshua himself wouldn't be surprised if he found the Warehouse show, but he'd wonder what the hell messed up version of his life it is. We've been tempted to do an OOC meta thread where Claudia, Joshua, and Helena watch a couple episodes for laughs.

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Enzo has been made aware of some famous works of fiction through Millicanon, though for those under copyright, he probably knows them under whatever modified name they're called in the Hartmanverse. From his own world, he is likely to know absurd digital versions of things. These may or may not be fictional to him, though.

It occurs to me to wonder: assuming Project Gutenberg exists on their internet, would sprites be able to read it, or is there some kind of file-access obstacle or something?

Huh. Well, as a general rule, sprites can't see what Users are using their systems for. They're just not at the same level, they're closer to the 1s and 0s than the information they ultimately represent. However, something often gets through, so I bet the systems where Project Gutenberg is housed are major centres of culture!

Marvel Comics tries their best to make their world like ours with super heroes so I think it's safe to say all the books, movies, TV and such we have exist in their world. The big thing I am left with for Ben, Val and Jess is deciding if they would have read/seen the canon or have heard of it. I am sure fiction exists in their world we don't have but I have no idea what it is. I am pretty sure super hero prose novels are much more popular there and I am sure there are many biographies of the various heroes, both authorized and unauthorized.

When I started working on Hank as a head voice I the idea of him having grown up reading Captain America comics which were then his first impressions of what a hero was. I've since let the idea go as far as Millicanon goes since it blurs the lines too much between the XMCU and the MCU. I also don't think Marvel Comics exist in his world.

I have no idea what sort of fictions exist in the Star Wars universe aside from holomovies. I am sure there are books and such, I'm just not sure if I've ever seen anyone reading on screen or int eh comics.

Anton is culturally focused on Russian and Eastern media but gets some Western bleed over. I am sure he knows of Harry Potter but not much else.

Andrea's canon is interesting in what has survived the magic waves. Pop cultural references also seem to be random but funny. For instance, in a later novella Andrea is riding a strawberry roan mare and her BFF says she looks like she's riding a My Little Pony. It will be fun to write this with Milliways in mind. She also has a fictional author she loves named Lorna Sterling (which I have mentioned before). Imagine Charline Harris writing pirate themed romance novels.

Firefly mentions Coleridge ("Rime of the Ancient Mariner") and Shakespeare. If there are other references, I'm forgetting the specifics. But given that this is a far-future AU, they're all things that are a major part of the literary canon, rather than pop-culture ephemera. (Fireflyverse has its own pop-culture ephemera, but.) Presumably some of that literary canon is from Chinese and other traditions, though, and not just European and US writings in English.

The Marvel Cinematic Universe references... uh. Lots of things. It's in an AU of our modern world, and a lot of the characters do make pop culture references. Shakespeare in the Park, the Hunger Games, Lord of the Rings, etc all spring to mind. Handily for me, Thor doesn't get any of these references, unless they're things he's been specifically introduced to by Earth friends. (Thus far: The Cockroach Who Ate Cincinnati, Dirty Harry, and the first two movies of the original Star Wars trilogy, which we did clear with the relevant muns beforehand.) He's good with Asgardian pop culture, but all of that I get to make up on the fly! And he knows some of the stories the old Norse told about Asgardians, some of which are more fictional (to him) than others.

Gundam Wing is another far-future canon that doesn't really reference works of fiction ICly. We've had fun making some up in Milliways. Again, for an existing one, it'd have to be something pretty major to have gotten the lucky accident of being remembered *mumble* centuries later, and it's easy to fudge that to avoid unwanted canon-puncture.

Claymore is an entirely different world, which is pre-industrial and plagued by monsters that keep population centers from getting too big and infrastructure from getting too secure. So, uh. Not applicable, mostly!

Les Miserables's offhand references are mostly more to poetry and philosophy and historical events than to prose fiction, IIRC. That said, Hugo is trying to make the book as realistic a work of (melodramatic) historical fiction as possible. So any works of fiction that existed in France as of June 1832 existed also in Les Miserables, although whether they've crossed Enjolras's radar is another question. (And yes, by the way, that does include works by Victor Hugo -- a couple of novels, two poetry collections, and several plays -- although his political views altered a lot between then and the time he wrote Les Mis. In the world of the novel, it's entirely probable that there was even some social circle overlap between some of Enjolras's friends and AU!Hugo.)

And he knows some of the stories the old Norse told about Asgardians, some of which are more fictional (to him) than others.

Creepy Real Person fic with gossip garnish?

More like "Why yes, his exploits were indeed valiant and -- LOL TABLOIDS WHAT."

That's basically how I handled Wesley Wyndham-Price recognizing Amascut from his Demonology books (with permission, of course)

Demons are such gossips!

Part of me reaaaaaaaaally wants to exploit that Shakespeare in the Park thing.

As far as I am aware at the moment, the only works of fiction explicitly referred to in Runescape are an unfinished detective novel by the Duke of Lumbridge, The Menaphosian Canidate, The Talented Mr. Mordaut, Gone With The Wind Strikes, and The Lyre, the Witch and the Mahogany Wardrobe. But, since

fairy_fixit complains about her equipment picking up cable occasionally, I assume she knows what cable television is and headcanon that she steals cable from other universes. Her favorite show is CSI: Elevator Inspector's Unit but she enjoys Tentacles of Our Waves as well.

As far as canon puncture... I am fine with recognition, not so much with 'You are fictional brawrrawrrawr'. Well, Amascut may laugh it off. She will kidnap and/or harm a pup for providing spoilers, though. However, the only canon in which Runescape exists that I am aware of is White Collar; Mozzie (

theantisuit) might have intimate knowledge, based on a very specific bit of trivia he rattled off. I'd expect Runescape to be more common knowledge in British canons than in stuff from North America but *shrug*.

Technically speaking the TMNT universe is a subsection of the Marvel Universe. Or at very least the corner of the Marvel Universe specific to Daredevil. Though, I don't tend to play it that way in Milliways. Off the top of my head the following have all appeared in the Mirage comic:

Aliens - movie
Batman - comics
Michael Bay - reference to. Mike apparently loves his movies, which...doesn't surprise me in the slightest.
American Splendor - comic
I Love Lucy - sit com
Metallica - the band
Seven Samurai - film
Gizmo - comic

I'm sure there are more...
Having said this: All of the turtle characters come pre canon-punctured for your convenience. Mike even has one of the animatronic suits used in the filming of the first movie.

There are so many pop culture references in The Middleman that I think it might almost be shorter to name stuff that doesn't exist in that world.

As far as I know there are no out of canon references in the Avatar-verse or the Wonkaverse.

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When I played Ray more actively I tended to assume most real-world canons probably existed in the Ghostbusters universe in some form or another, but that there was no reason to assume they were the same across worlds. The LOTR movies never got made, other than the Bakshi one, but the Star Wars prequels were scripted by Fran Walsh and directed by sane people and Episode III: The Price of Order was nominated for sixteen Academy Awards. Firefly didn't exist but a well-loved novel called Serenity did. Dune existed, although I don't think Brian Herbert ever worked with his father on the later novels or with Kevin J. Anderson on the abominations that do not exist. Things like that. There are also a lot of political figures in Ray's world who exist as canon characters in our own- President Randall M. Winston was formerly mayor of NYC on "Spin City", Governor Mitchell Hundred was the main character of the comic series Ex Machina, Senators Bluto Blutarsky (Animal House) and Tom Wright (Black Condor), Secretary of Defense Keller (Transformers), President Lacey Davenport (Doonesbury)... if Ray had ever met any of these people in the Bar he would have recognized them, but as real people, not as fictional characters. Oh, and I think I arbitrarily said the hospital from House existed in his world, too. Other than that I generally assumed real world canons existed in his setting.

There are a number of fiction references in the Mass Effect universe but most of them are to public-domain stuff. At some point Mordin should probably meet the Pirate King and tell him that even six foot hyperintelligent space newts from the future have heard of his exploits, because Mordin canonically performs Gilbert and Sullivan in community theater productions from time to time and he'd probably know Pirates of Penzance.

Varric's canon doesn't cross with real-world canons anywhere. All the canons mentioned in Dragon Age are unique to that world, except for one brief cross reference to the Mass Effect series that you can only find in a very obscure part of the Deep Roads in Dragon Age: Origins.

I don't know what canons may be referenced throughout Santo's movies, but Santo y Blue Demon contra los Mostruos puts them up against several public domain monsters, including a reanimated corpse named 'Franquestain', which may indicate that Mary Shelley's novel existed there and got reffed by a mad scientist (lucha movies have a lot of these).

I haven't actually touched Medic's canon since before they had hats in the game so hell if I know what references to other canons may have been added.

Ellen's world is two hundred plus years in the future and had a nuclear war wipe out kind of a lot of human culture. Most of the canons referenced are purely internal to the Fallout 'verse- Captain Cosmos, Grognak the Barbarian, Drake Tungsten the Chrono-Cowboy, and so on. There are some references to older fictions, though, including Charles Dickens' Bleak House and Melville's Moby Dick. The major divergence between the Fallout world and ours happened sometime around the late 1940s or early 1950s; it's safe to assume that pre-World War II real-world canons existed and traces might be found of them but post-World War II canons are extremely unlikely. One possible exception: Elvis movies. According to the King in Fallout: New Vegas, there were a lot of movies found in the ruins of the King's School of Impersonation, all of the same guy. So Elvis movies may have existed there too. I've also millicanoned that a number of older Westerns existed, most notably The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance.

I tend to assume that the Half-Life universe was basically ours right up until May 15th, 2001, so any canons that existed before that are theoretically knowable there (assuming the person involved is old enough to remember). I do not want either Gordon or Shephard canon punctured or recognized from someone else's game session. At least, not in Milliways proper- Leesha and I had a thread in M_M once where Bob ran into Gordon and recognized him from a Game, at which point Gordon basically decided that he had to look up the publishing company and find someone who could help him hunt down the sickos who turned his daily existence into a game.

Elle's canon makes reference to superhero comics/etc. and mythology especially, and Elle herself references Fight Club and The Wizard of Oz. I've also have her as having read Alice's Adventures in Wonderland. It's basically likely to encompass most of major modern pop culture up until 2007, but because she's been living in a lab most of her life, it's easy to play the "Elle hasn't heard of this" card.

Leslie's canon similarly takes place in the contemporary U.S. and so makes references to big icons of pop culture. Leslie is canonically a huge Harry Potter fan, the show has an episode pretty much all about Twilight, her husband dresses up as Batman at one point and writes Star Trek fanfiction, etc. But she got the 'don't tell other people they're fictional' talk on her first visit.

Asami and Katara come from an entirely different universe, and so things that are fictional in their world are unique to their world. So they have their own plays like 'Love Among the Dragons' or I guess that love story Jinora read where people throw themselves into a volcano, but no real-world works of fiction.

Hiccup would recognize figures from Norse Mythology, but other than that he would predate a lot of this and I guess is possibly geographically isolated at the moment because dragons.

Marceline... it's hard to tell what exactly survived in Ooo, but even with things that did, they didn't really survive in their current form. So the characters have watched pre-War movies and read books and stuff, but I can't off the top of my head think of any explicit references to real-world works of fiction.

Manny's canon makes semi-time period appropriate references to real world culture, though in terms of works of fiction, I can't think of anything. At one point a character mentions that Manny read comic books. And of course, one point in the game is a huge homage to Casablanca, but that doesn't really count.

Mark is a big fan of comics and of zombie movies. Of the comics, only "Science Dog" has actually been mentioned in-canon, but I would think that, given the fact that the original Guardians of the Globe were funded by the Immortal, Darkwing, and War Woman, that there was some merchandising going on, and that there's a "Guardians of the Globe" comic. Zombie films shown in canon include: "Night of the Living Dead," "Dawn of the Dead," "Day of the Dead," "Dead Alive," and "Zombie Holocaust." Mark would easily recognize any character from those movies.

In Bar, it's been established that he knows El Santo from movies (though he hasn't actually said that to Santo yet), but I think Cam's decision was that Santo would consider them like sporting films or documentaries, unless Mark specifically punctured canon. My headvoice for Mark says he's something of a cult TV fan, including things like "The Avengers," "The Prisoner," and "Twilight Zone." As for the more mainstream TV, there's a running gag of a spaceship in the Image 'verse that's captained by a bald fellow, has a bearded handsome guy as the XO, has an android pilot (named "Download"), has an engineer with a funky pair of cybernetic goggles, and has a counselor with a tendency to state the obvious. So, I'm thinking that Star Trek never got made, and Gene Roddenberry stuck with cop shows.

As for being canon-punctured, I think it would weird Mark out a bit, and he'd probably not want to actually meet Robert Kirkman, but eventually, he'd probably be cool with it. At least at first, if someone tried to commiserate with him over the angst that happens in his life because they read about it, he'd be uncomfortable with it. (And stuff like this would give him the heebie jeebies.)

Will is from a medieval legend and before coming to Milliways didn't know how to read. The only works I've had him know about are King Arthur and a few different myths but more English centered ones. He knows there are stories about him and the men of Sherwood which he finds hopeful.

Charles is someone who I see as fairly connected to his world's culture though no fictional works are mentioned directly in the movie canon. I wrote a fic about Charles and his reading called The Soul Under Your Skin. I'm constantly trying to figure out what he would know and wouldn't for his era. In my mind Raven is more up to date than him as he tends towards being more of an academic. He's another who's aware that there are fictional tellings of him and different timelines, which he finds interesting.

Moist is from the Disc which is a parody world so there are references to ours but sideways. Uberwald is a play on all the gothic tropes but Moist wouldn't know how Dracula is.

William is from a fairly historical canon so I try to have him mainly reading things from his era or in 19th century. I do have him reading other things because he would love the Milliways' library but he has yet to make the connection of people from books are in the Bar. Since most of the ones he's met aren't from stories he knows. Though I'm thinking that he might have a moment of aah with some of the Les Mis characters are Les Mis was read and loved through the Civil War. More by the Confederates than by the Union so it might he knows the name and not the characters. I'm not sure.

Sameth is from another world where the only books referenced are ones about how to do magic.

Jane is based off a historical author and in her canon a few authors are mentioned, Ann Radcliffe, the book Tom Jones so I try and only have her reference what she knows. She has explored the library but I won't have her talk about those books as much.

Demeter is from an AU version of our world where the gods exist and I think she doesn't pay a lot of attention to pop culture, it all moves by far too quickly.

Tumnus is from Narnia and his references aren't ours.

The Pirate King is from an odd sort of version of Victorian England but he also is just a strange character. I know he does read and is pretty well educated but Pirates is hard to place at a moment in time.

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Now I'm wondering what would happen if Fantine met William. Hm.

It should happen, he's so far met Grantaire who made him feel stupid, not on purpose, the conversation just hit his inferiority complex buttons and Javert who reminded him of Ben Wade.

Also: *cough*

(Uh, I don't know how widely that was distributed, let alone whether it was ever popular; I'm not saying William would actually know of the thing. I just know that it existed, and that that existence cracks me up, so I am taking the opportunity to inflict it on other people. That's one bit of canon puncture that would probably weird Enjolras out a bit, I admit.)

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*stares* I love the 19th century and I don't know if he would know of it either, but oh that's fascinating. William would never canon puncture but I could see him having a moment of wait, that book but he might not recall the names.

The pop culture of Tommy's world is the same our current world (well, as current as 2006 at the moment at least). There are lots of references to fictional works. Off the top of my head: Batman; Star Wars; Shaun of the Dead(!!!); Kevin Costner movies; classic films like The Godfather, Raging Bull, On the Waterfront, and Annie Hall; Shakespeare (Hamlet, to be specific); Mary Shelley's Frankenstein; TV shows like Third Watch (which, incidentally, I used to watch, so when it was mentioned I had to cackle), CSI: Miami, All in the Family, and the Cosby Show. And so much more, I'm sure. Great, now I want to rewatch the whole thing and make a list of all the references.

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AdultMoll is... less than impressed, shall we say, by Tommy hanging around outside during the Hulk!fight to gawp with popcorn. (It cracked me up, but - thankfully for everyone involved - I'm not the one on Security.) Can she bawl him out for it, please? With an option on proper actual shouty. He didn't break any rules, but she is SO unimpressed. XD

Ahahah, sure! He's used to being yelled at, especially by women, so feel free to let her loose. Iiiiii don't have any plans to EP Tommy until I get a few things worked out, though, but if I see Molly I'll definitely tag in.

Doctor Who: Much like the Marvel MCU, it's supposed to be very real-world-ish, so most book canons exist (there's at least one Harry Potter reference and they met Shakespeare and Agatha Christie), and popular music is pretty much the same (Adele is playing in the Silence episode, the Doctor marries Marilyn Monroe, and 'Toxic' is featured once). Most of the TV shows are the same too - 'Britain's Got Talent' is playing at the end of 'Bells of St John'. There is, however, a very cool sci-fi/history show called Doctor What that played in the 60's - Ace ran into it once with a complete failure of recognition.

Sorcerer's Apprentice: Is basically the real world, so as far as I can tell all real-life canons exist in this one, but Balthazar is very unlikely to canon-puncture anyone because he really hasn't been paying attention to popular culture since ever. Unless Don Quixote come in. Then all bets are off.

Star Trek: Most of the pop culture stuff survived, but it's considered 'classics' now - the universe has moved on to other things. The big stuff (Shakespeare, reeeeally good movies) persists, and Bones might be able to catch a reference, but he's not going to get much.

Night Watch: Again, is supposed to be the real world, so the references could be made, but most of the characters lived through Soviet Russia, and so their Western-world references might be a bit shaky in bits.

Hunger Games: Haymitch's the least likely to canon-puncture anyone. Even if anything survived the wars and the years of neglect, he has a barely-tenth-grade reading level.

LotR: ... Nope.

Jack's canon explicitly mentions the Indiana Jones films, The Lord of the Rings (both book and 2003 Films), the Harry Potter books. Also Splinter Cell, Diablo and World of Warcraft are all mentioned, along with a reference to the batcave. There's probably more, I just don't recall them all.

Alfred's and Erik's are self-contained in that way films are, and Bean's manages to avoid such references.

Young Justice is a modern AU, but superheros and moving cities. So. Artemis should know Marvin the Martian. Probably something that fills the roles of Star Trek and Star Trek, though I don't know if it's the mashup that Teen Titans used. In universe there's the TV sitcom Hello Megan!.

Ako has, well it's a bit of a list. She knows Batman, Star Trek, possibly Terminator - the movies exist, but I don't know if she's watched them - Star Wars, Godzilla, most Japanese canons that are old enough actually. For in universe fiction there is Mahou Shoujo Biblion!, which is clearly a magical girl show in the style of Sailor Moon, so that's definitely in.
Lone Hina and A.I. Love You happened in universe, kinda. (Some names have been changed, to protect the innocent. That sort of thing.)

Robo is a modern AU. There should be come different treatment of robots in fiction - TNG's Measure of a Man citing Robo as case law for example - but nothing too obvious. Doctor Who exists for certain, (thanks Doctor Dinosaur) but I'm not sure who else off hand.

Janet is, again, a modern AU. Lots of pop culture but somewhat less superhero stuff. No comics of real people chronicling real things since Cap's comics stopped being printed, but Tony has people putting together merchandise including coloring books.

Tyler's not speaking up at the moment. Apologies.

Carol: As mentioned above, the Marvel universe is supposed to be very much like our own, so I generally assume any fictional canon I know of, Carol could too. Specific to her, she loves Star Wars and has never seen Ghostbusters. She's probably going to start watching Downton Abbey sometimes soon. XD Carol is at least vaguely aware that in some universes, she and her friends only exist in comic books.

Mary: Her world is meant to be authentically historical, so again, any works of fiction written 1912 or prior are assumed to exist for her. In milli-canon, she has both read Jane Austen and met the author and one of her characters. I can't think of specific works mentioned in canon at that mo, but Mary is seen reading pretty regularly.

Stiles: Again, all contemporary fictional canons are assumed to exist in Stiles world, and he's pretty pop culture savvy. At the moment, I've mostly been playing him as a little kid, so at this point he's very open to the idea that stories are real. As for things with specific mentions on the show, we've got Star Wars again, plus books like Heart of Darkness, Great Expectations, Romeo & Juliet, i.e. the usual fodder of a high school curriculum.

Oh, and of course, Carol wrote a novel that is a fictionalized version of her own experiences as Binary. So she kind of exists as a fictional person within her own fictional universe.

Jim Butcher loooooves his pop culture references. To things as ubiquitous as Buffy, as relatively obscure as Dog Soldiers (yes, really, there was a scene involving the use of superglue as a field dressing where the character explicitly said they'd learned it from a werewolf movie) and everything in between.

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Coyote reads your fanfiction.

Dracula would scoff to learn of his pop culture fame. He wouldn't know what to do with it. His knowledge of classical literature is extensive, of contemporary literature, less so, but he is well read. He's oblivious to the whole modern media blitz. Can't wait for someone to crack that egg.

Sherlock's creator, I believe, has explicitly stated that in his universe, there was no Arthur Conan Doyle. And his knowledge of pop culture is sporadic at best. He deems it unworthy of remembering. (He'd be rubbish at a pub quiz.)

Mills would shit bricks to find out his shit storm of a life was a summer block buster. He's a modern guy, but more likely to put on a football game than to watch a movie. I suspect he reads more non-fiction than anything on the best seller list.

River has seen the Library. She's pretty sure everyone's life is documented somehow in that place.

John Silver would thrill to discover he's a figure of literature. He'd preen like a peacock. Absolutely insufferable.

Fiona loves a good beach novel, and a good popcorn flick. She's probably seen the big block busters, but she's never run into anyone in Bar that she'd recognize.

Olga lives kinda outside the whole thing. It wouldn't surprise her to know someone had made a crap movie about the Others.

Alex would die of embarrassment if she knew someone had seen her in that bad 80's perm. Again, she's a fairly modern individual, so she'd recognize the big names.

The MCU has Captain America comic books.

So much glee about that.

Mmmkay, as has been mentioned, the MCU is basically an AU of our world so there are pop culture references galore. Tony. Teen Wolf is also basically our world with werewolves, though I'm going to handwave Lydia not recognizing the word "muggles" when she met Scorpius because she skipped Harry Potter and went straight to, I don't know, Noam Chomsky? Gore Vidal? Ovid?

Geoffrey Chaucer is a character in Merlin, so presumably the Canterbury Tales exist...somehow? Oh, Merlin, you beautiful mess.

The Tolkein'verse has its own literature, which no one outside of the Tolkein'verse would know anything about.

Gilboa...oh, you are a tough one. I wish they'd done more worldbuilding in the series, because if the Bible doesn't exist for them the way it does for us, what does that mean for literature? For art? It's probably safe to say that alternative versions of a great many things exist there, but Jack wouldn't recognize, say, crucifixion imagery or the Sistine Chapel.

The Land of Ooo has its own pre-Mushroom War pop culture, most of which was lost. It does, however, have ninjas.

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