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DE: So let's sink another drink
Happy Monday! Everyone ready to seize the week and make it beg for mercy?
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What's your character's attitude towards whatever intoxicants work on their physiology? Teetotaler? Social drinker (or whatever equivalent)? Moderate and occasional? Frequent and habitual? Addicted? For others' consumption: judgmental, accepting, something in between? Why, or is there anything else interesting in their thinking about this?
If there aren't any intoxicants that work on them, or they've never encountered any, what's their attitude towards the concept?

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Helena is a maudlin drunk, but she doesn't actually get drunk much. She has a drink with dinner quite often, but stops there. Her attitudes toward anything else are still stuck in the Victorian Era. Opium dens are just dreadful places.
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Charlie, on the opposite extreme, is a teetotaler par excellence. Even when he smoked and ate at McDonald's, even in college when he experimented with drugs, he disliked what alcohol did to him and to others. Later, when Richard Dragon trained him, he went off anything and everything that could intoxicate or alter the mind. (Rick Veitch's peyote-using, vision-questing variant on The Question was dismissed from canon long before the great reboot.) While Charlie doesn't give drinkers and users of less toxic drugs a really hard time about it - he saves his disdain for smokers and probably heroin addicts - he certainly doesn't approve. And he did help Renee clean up her life somehow.
Cyborg can't get drunk or stoned. His internal filter system makes that impossible. Which is good since you don't want a walking sonic weapon to lose control. The only way to intoxicate him is to short out his system with water or with a computer virus. He tends not to be bothered by casual drinking, but he hates drunk drivers with a passion (even though the car accident that changed his life and killed his mom in this canon was not, AFAIK, because the other driver was drunk). He also has it in for drug dealers because he saw what they did to his old neighborhood.
Knox used to drink to excess, a steady diet of beers. He's cut back over the years, but he doesn't have any problem with alcohol. But is very judgmental about any illegal drug, and unlike many his age he never experimented with even pot. The entire drug scene is labelled a crime scene in his mind.
Howard drinks socially, as do many of his generation. But he is too much a clear headed thinker to get drunk that often. He never really thinks about what drinking does to others. And doesn't think about anything stronger than a martini.
And Kirk only objects if someone's drinking gets in the way of their duties. I suspect that by his time, alcohol and drug abuse can be handled effectively, so some of the taboos must have changed. We never really get any information about that in canon, aside from that Harlan Ellison's inclusion of a drug addict in "City on the Edge of Forever" was rejected because Roddenberry didn't think there would be drug abuse in the future. (That morphed into the temporarily drug-addled McCoy.) As for his own habits, Jim drinks once in a while, but it never suited him. Captains tend not to drink anything besides tea or coffee (unless it's from Picard's family's vineyard).
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Shephard didn't wind up with nearly as much weird stuff in his bloodstream as Gordon, which is good because he's a fan of the boozeahol when it comes to celebrating. (And on one memorable occasion, when it came to being utterly depressed about his situation and the rest of the world, but he doesn't talk about that much.) His attitude towards most of the other intoxicants is that as long as it doesn't wind up making somebody drool all over him or get stupid in his presence, he's fine with it. (This is probably a good thing given that a major part of the reason his hometown was able to keep producing its own food without bringing the Combine's wrath down on their heads was because a former mayor contacted some locals who'd grown marijuana before the Combine came and asked for their advice on how to grow stuff without being noticed. They're still around.)
Ellen is fine with alcohol and drinking in general and grew up in a society without the concept of a minimum drinking age. It was also a society with a great deal of contempt for alcoholics who couldn't hide the fact that they were alcoholics. She tends to associate that kind of behavior with producing children like Butch, who was a jerk pretty much the whole time Ellen was growing up, so she's.... she does her best not to think ill of people with substance addiction issues, but it's not something she's good at handling. On the other hand, chem addicts of the Wasteland tend to be either homicidally violent or dead, rather than pathetic figures like Butch's mother. Alcoholics don't last all that long since getting severely addicted to alcohol in the Wasteland leads you to low-quality booze that'll kill or blind you long before it just makes you stupid. So there's that. Oh, and there's people with really weird addictions, like the Family. Ellen approves of them, because while they might have been a gang with unruly tendencies in general before they entered into their agreement to help protect Arefu, they actually made a massive, massive effort to change their own lives and behavior so as to back away from what they knew was a destructive addiction. I'm not really sure she'd ever even encountered a recovering alcoholic in Vault 101 (you can insult Butch about his mom's drinking at your tenth birthday party and the next time you encounter her in-game nine years later, it's early in the morning and she's already surrounded by empty liquor bottles). The idea that people can change something destructive about themselves through discipline and transferring their urges to something less destructive just wasn't in Vault 101, and impressed her a great deal when she ran into it later.
Mordin avoids intoxicants; they'd interfere with his brain. Fine for others, maybe, if they can control how much they indulge. He generally advises people on how to stop indulging if they ask (the Omega clinic had a lot of people who used chemical means to deal with life).
Varric would look at you so funny if you suggested teetotaling or abstinence to him. Good wine and the like are part of the joys of life.
Ray has no issues with alcohol in moderation and would like it known that the Ghostbusters movie took place in the early 1980s whereas in his universe those events happened twenty years later, long after smoking was no longer socially acceptable. He smoked some in college and then dropped the habit. Yes, that is his major objection to the Ghostbusters movie. He's weird sometimes.
Santo is firmly of the 'all things in moderation, unless I am in training, in which case training takes precedence' school of thought.
Medic doesn't drink much himself, although he knows his way around a respectable liquor cabinet. His consumption of alcohol has dropped off sharply since getting to know Herr Demoman, whose capacity for the stuff is terrifying.
And when I app him this coming app period, Stacker Pentecost... does not strike me as the sort to consume any more alcohol than is absolutely socially required for doing business without violating some rule of etiquette. He takes his job too seriously to risk being impaired at a bad time. As for other people, if they are under his command or part of his family, he wants them at their best; if they aren't, it isn't his business.
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Fluttershy... strikes me as the kind of pony
everypony should knowwho might, if encouraged, take a small drink at a party and nurse it the rest of the night. I kind of get the sense this might have something to do with an incident in her youth, when she got absolutely hammered and... I'm not sure about the "and", but she regrets it anyway.Kain has no particular problem drinking, although he does try not to get drunk. If asked he'd say something about drunkenness being a discipline problem, but really it's because he's a weepy drunk and he doesn't want anyone to know.
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For others, she isn't really judgmental -- maybe about a one-time binge if she thinks they're being stupid about it, but not about addiction or moderate consumption. But if somebody is really impaired by any drugs it often kicks her into treating them a lot like she'd treat a psychic in overload, with sympathy and protectiveness and a kind of identification.
Regan does not have River's complicated issues about impaired senses and medical side effects. So she enjoys an occasional glass of wine alone, or a drink or two in company. But she almost never drinks beyond a mild buzz. (I'm sure in college she did get very drunk a few times, though. Not habitually, but it happened.)
She'd be quietly judgmental about someone whose addiction was adversely affecting their life, or someone who frequently got drunk to the point that she didn't enjoy being around them. (Buzzed, okay; messy drunk, no.) But she'd try to remind herself to be sympathetic. This is similar for other drugs, and I'm sure there are hard drugs that carry an inherent social stigma in Fireflyverse, although I'm not sure what they are.
Thor, on the other hand, is a carouser. Feasting and drinks all around! He's a very happy drunk, usually. I don't think he goes in for harder intoxicants, of whatever sort works on Asgardian physiology, but if a group of his friends was doing something, he'd probably be willing to join in. (The "superpowered frat boy" thing is vastly overplayed in a lot of fanfic, but there are ways in which the comparison does apply.)
I don't think he totally understands addiction, though; it's too far from his mindset. He could wrap his brain around it, but he hasn't had cause yet. He doesn't judge anyone else's consumption, really, although he might judge their behavior based on it. That said, nowadays he's been reminded of how SUPER FRAGILE humans are compared to Asgardians, so he does have a certain level of "Uh, you're okay, right? Your mortal liver isn't going to, like, explode on the spot?" concern without being 100% sure of when his concern is or isn't realistic.
Enjolras is not a teetotaler, but he would be in another era. Teetotaling wasn't really a thing yet in 1830s France. He is, however, canonically 'sober' -- he drinks water and coffee mostly, wine occasionally, brandy or other liquor never or only medicinally, and never drinks to intoxication at all.
If people get drunk on their own time, he's fine with that. (In his time, heavy drinking was mostly done in company, and seen as a thing that made you cheerful. This is another in the category of "pastimes Enjolras's friends find fun that he has no interest in." (Edited to note that opium is also included in that category. He's friends with Romantics, yo.)) If it messes with their lives, he's pretty judgmental. Relatedly, he's from a time when alcoholism and addiction really weren't medical concepts yet -- that didn't happen for another couple of decades. It was really all still seen as an issue of moral weakness and poor life choices that one could stop at any point with some willpower.
Clare can only be affected by alcohol if she wants to be, and she sees no reason for it. So... yeah. Canon doesn't say if the same thing applies to other recreational drugs, but I'd assume so, at least for most. (We do know there are drugs that affect Claymore physiology whether they like it or not, but those are Claymore-specific, and they don't have any fun mood-altering effects.)
She mostly isn't emotionally invested enough to be judgy about others' choices, though she might be confused by them.
Trowa is a control freak. He's willing to drink now and then -- straight booze rather than cocktails, if he has a choice, because he wants to know exactly what he's drinking and how much -- but never to the point of any intoxication at all. (He learned to drink as a little kid growing up around soldiers; he's well aware that he's got a lot more body mass now and his limits have changed, but he still mostly keeps to the limits he learned as a pre-teen, so that he can be very sure he won't accidentally go over his real limits.) He used stimulants in the war on occasion, to stay awake longer or whatever, but he has no interest in doing so recreationally. He even keeps his caffeine intake to strict limits so that he doesn't become addicted or make it less effective as a stimulant when needed. So yeah.
As far as other people's consumption, Trowa only judges that insofar as he judges lots of things about other people's life choices. But he finds it something that's potentially very useful for him or others to manipulate, so he doesn't really get why you'd voluntarily make it easier for other people to manipulate you.
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On the other hand, he has seen the adults in his family drink without long-term negative impact. Between that and hanging around a bar, he knows that the important thing is to exercise caution and moderation. He will not let himself be tempted into experimenting before he is of age, and he will definitely be careful once he is, but I don't think he'll be teetotal either. He'll probably refuse to let himself drink alone.
He does occasionally make use of the process-slowing effects of heat (on which there is no age restriction). This is sort of an intoxicant, but the effects last only as long as the heat does. Hot drinks are merely soothing, barely more than they are for humans, but he is cautious near the fireplace.
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Drugs, though - no. At all. Just as he'll judge if a man doesn't drink, he'll judge in completely the opposite direction if he finds someone taking drugs. His brother died from them, and you'll not find anyone more against them than he is.
Bruce Wayne - drinks the odd glass of wine, or champagne, at parties/functions, etc. Or nice dinners. Otherwise, no. He's too healthy to indulge often.
Bruce Banner - fears lack of control more than anything else. Which isn't to say he's a teetotaller. The odd beer, or glass of wine, can be relaxing. But he won't get drunk, just in case.
Javert - is canonically a 'man without vices'. But basically, see the answer above for Enjolras. He'll drink wine occasionally, because it's as common as water, and possibly cleaner. He mostly stays clear of the stronger stuff, and never ever gets drunk. Like Enjolras, he will absolutely judge if it affects a person's ability to be productive/law-abiding. As a policeman, he has spent a fair amount of time breaking up fights in inns, or looking into crimes as a result of intoxication.
He'll occasionally take a pinch of snuff, when he's 'pleased with himself' - if he were from a few years later, I could see him smoking moderately. But that's down to the attitude of the time and place, before effects on health and behaviour were known.
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He is not in a good way. :(
Bolin is
from a kids' showa teetotaler. If you have to stay in peak physical shape to make your living, you don't want to mess with that stuff. (Plus, he's underage.) I think he might have sneaked a little bit of alcohol from some other street kids when he was younger, but his primary reaction was, "UGH THIS TASTES GROSS WHY WOULD YOU DRINK THAT."Olivia enjoys a glass or two of whiskey to unwind -- lady can easily hold her liquor -- but is another one who doesn't drink past the point of a nice buzz. There were probably one or two instances of getting seriously sloshed in college, though. Anything more than booze is a no-go.
The Trickster subscribes to Ben Franklin's belief that beer is proof Dad loves us and wants us to be happy. He can't really get drunk on much except Atlantean, unless he went out and drank an entire liquor store (as Castiel proved!), but he enjoys it greatly. Especially since he can basically get all the fun effects without any of the bad ones! Other intoxicants...hm. He's done his share of pot, but I'm honestly not sure if he'd bother with anything else due to the whole can't-be-affected-by-it-unless-it's-in-massive-quantities thing. Though could see him doing a few lines with some businessmen he was about to trick or something. *cheerful*
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Zelgadiss falls more into the "frequent and habitual" attitude towards alcohol, especially when things are going badly for him. I pull much of his behavior from the light novels to fill in what we see in the anime. There are references in the novels of his drinking to "soften his sorrows" to the point of passing out in the gutter. He'll not hesitate to judge others' drunkenness with disdain, however. Hypocritical chimera.
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Amascut is immune to most things, but I have left Atlantean wine, Pan-Galactic Gargle Blasters, BrainDeath 'Rum', and Asgardian Mead if it ever makes its way into Milliways and to her as mild intoxicants which she will drink with a meal occasionally. But, she likes to keep her wits about her. Marrentil is... well on her world marrentil is an herb used for healing and anti-poison potions, but the majority is burned in incense burners at altars, which supposedly give the gods great pleasure. It is somewhat pot-like or catnip-like for the gods. Amascut has a love-hate addiction to it since bad things have happened to her while under its influence. As for the catnip wine Yrael pushes on her occasionally... she really wishes it didn't get her drunk. :(
Troll beer is just plain toxic to her and makes her puke sand and death.
Her attitude toward others getting drunk is of course, "Get your drink on! Have all the fun you can!! I got your back! MWAHAHAHA stand by the stairs so that I can protect you"
Fairy Fixit isn't much of a drinker. Or isn't right now; she doesn't see much logic in altering her mental state like that. The return of the God Wars are changing her mind about it, but I don't know how much yet. Alcohol is intoxicating to her as is woodruff (May Punch is a double whammy) and other dilute insecticides.
Her attitude toward other people getting intoxicated on purpose is much the same. She doesn't see the logic in it and will avoid people she perceives as intoxicated or addicted. For now anyway.
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GRANTAIRE IS THE MODEL OF TEMPERANCE
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Claudia has no particular objection to boozahol, but she doesn't like the taste much, so she needs a good reason to seek it out. And she's polite enough not to get smashed in front of Pete. As for other things, she facepalms at Joshua's pot thing a lot (and once ate too many pot brownies at one of her parents' parties, but she doesn't really remember that night), she gets very judgey about cigarettes, and thinks the other options aren't worth the trouble.
Apollo really only gets drunk if he wants to. Or if there's Atlantean or something similarly strong involved.
Imp... will have a drink in the right social setting, but that's about it.
Regulus is underage (though his father doesn't mind if he imbibes and has occasionally bought him drinks before); he doesn't feel a need to seek booze out.
Of course Red has beers. What else is she supposed to drink, water? That's a great way to get yourself sick, you know.
(Ruby is underage and, pre-curse-breaking, desperately wishes she wasn't. Post-curse-breaking I don't think she worries about it so much, but probably neither does anyone else. The rules got all weird.)
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Fun trivia fact, though! Germany has one of the least restrictive drinking policies in the world, with an emphasis on responsibility and parental protection. At 14, they can drink beer and wine with a guardian around, and 16, by themselves; at age 18, they're free to drink distilled liquors. (Wiki)
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Merlin has a reputation for spending far too much time in the tavern, but in reality rarely drinks more than water at meals, and exists before tobacco and so on.
Lydia is underage. She did once try to drug her friends with wolfsbane, but in her defense, she was under the control of a dead psychopath who wanted her to resurrect him. So...you know.
Jack has a reputation as a party boy, but it's more a "drinking to forget the pain" kind of thing.
The Ice King
is on a kids' showhas enough to deal with, what with the wizard eyes and all.Movie-canon says Steve's metabolism is too fast for him to get drunk. Millicanon says he can get drunk on Atlantean.
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Charles knows his tolerances incredibly well and in canon annoys Raven by worrying about her tolerances. He enjoys his drinks because I think it takes him slightly more than the norm to get drunk and he just likes the buzz. Though drugs are becoming common in his era, he's wary of them since he knows what alcohol will do but not drugs.
Moist is a social drinker and he's also from a world where sometimes you really don't want to drink the water. He doesn't drink to get drunk because he can't afford to lose control.
William drinks sometimes, not a lot as I think he's seen some drunks and wasn't impressed but some whiskey in his coffee can help. Drugs were around in his time and I feel like he's pretty familiar with how morphine or cocaine can help someone in pain due to his brother's illness and his father's amputation. I think for him, he understands how they can help more.
Demeter, I think helped along the creation of beer and wine but only Atlantean can get her truly drunk. She enjoys how alcohol will loosen people up and I don't think she has any profound feelings about drugs.
Sameth's from a kingdom where wine is common and he a social drinker. Drugs are never mentioned in either the Old Kingdom or Ancelstierre but I'd expect Ancelstierre to have some. I think he wouldn't be interested or care that much. He wants people to be safe.
Jane is a social drinker and I think she would roll her eyes at someone who drank too much and doesn't have much experience with her era's drugs. She prefers to be in control of her feelings and thoughts so doesn't drink that much.
Tumnus, I think is comfortable with wine since it feels like it would be part of life in Narnia but its hard to picture a drunk in that era of Narnia.
The Pirate King loves his sherry and I think is very aware of his tolerance. It also amuses him when his men are drunk and silly.
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Also, a thing about when he drinks: he sees ghosts. The ghosts of his dead cousin, dead crew mates, dead victims he couldn't save. And a drunk driver killed his son, but when you're as bad an alcoholic as Tommy, not even that can serve as a lesson. So he really doesn't give a shit if you drink, as he has no place to judge.
Tommy shouldn't even be in Milliways, much less get bartending duty, but I am playing him with a lot better self-control than he has in canon. Let's just say he's in the bar on his good days.
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Emma has almost definitely flirted with substance abuse, if not addiction. Every hint about her past suggests the kind of rough adolescence that probably included drugs and drinking. She's someone who'll turn to a stiff drink to take the edge off or to numb herself to emotions or thoughts she can't hide from. Like Danny, though, she won't really tear it up on a regular basis anymore.
Wolfwood loves to drink and smoke; to excess whenever possible.
Nathan will have a beer or two, or a mixed drink if he's really feeling like letting loose (ha), but being drunk and not able to feel things is really a not good combination. He'd be even more likely to hurt himself than usual, and then Audrey would make faces, so he keeps it pretty minimal. He's also probably a pretty judgmental bastard, but he'll keep it to himself.
Jack loves whiskey, cigarettes, and weed. He is, for the most part, a functional alcoholic. He's not pouring Wild Turkey into his cereal, but he'd start the day with whiskey in his coffee, and start with beers before 10am if he could.
Caspian doesn't really understand the concept of alcoholism or substance addiction -- he's never really seen it in effect. He'll drink wine or ale pretty regularly, and I bet he'd be great to go carousing with, considering he is both a sailor and a soldier. I don't think I've ever gotten him roaring drunk, but boy could that be fun.
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Vlad doesn't drink... wine.
John Silver likes his grog, and a nice glass of claret, as is befitting a man of his soon-to-be station. He loves a nice bottle of rum with the lads.
Mills likes a beer with his steak. The harder stuff rarely, and only in the company of those he trusts.
Sherlock hates the feeling of being hungover, and prefers more refined intoxicants. He avoids alcohol, save when it is required of him socially. (Also, addiction issues.)
Fiona drinks like a -- she drinks a lot. Tequila, whiskey, beer with dinner. But rarely so much that she's out of it, again, unless she's with people she trusts.
River Song thinks there are more interesting intoxicants in the universe than alcohol, but it'll do in a pinch.
Olga is Russian, and drinks vodka like water. Seriously, do not go up against her in a drinking contest. Your liver will never survive.
Alex was never much more than a social drinker, before she met Gene. Gene is a decidely bad influence. Now, her tolerance has gone up, and two bottles of wine in an evening is not unheard of. Whiskey, too. Gene makes Olga look like a rank amateur.
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Your round.
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Jess's powers actually prevent her from getting drunk though the Atlantian might do the trick. I haven't had the urge to try yet. She has thought it might be nice to feel goofy like her friends do when they drink but deep down, she's a little afraid of it, especially after seeing what Carol and Tony went through.
Hank doesn't drink...yet. I think he will sample alcohol and maybe even experiment with drugs in the late 60s/70s as a means of exploring culture but ultimately will not bother with them too much as they change his thinking too much for him.
Thalia does not drink and views those who do on a regular basis poorly. Thank her mother for this dim view of alcohol and drugs.
Andrea has only drunk once within canon and she was doing it medicinally. She drank this unholy special mix called Georgia Peach Tea. Thanks to Lyc-V, she was only able to get a buzz for about 30 seconds before sobering up. Then she'd drink again and repeat. I was sorta sad.
Anton comes from a culture where drinking is very casual. He drinks vodka and cognac mostly with a beer here and there. He knows better that to try and out drink Katya or Olga.
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Most of the others only drink socially, the exception being Sharpe who is a very ungentlemanly officer and still drinks like an enlisted man. Norrington is a recovering alcoholic but 99% of the time doesn't have access to booze anyway.
And Gavroche is 16 but grew up in an era when children were routinely given beer or wine because it was less likely to kill you than the water, and still makes periodic attempts to get someone to give him a drink, mostly to see if he can. Nobody has gone for it since Meg left.
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Raph is pretty much a high functioning alcoholic at this point.
Splinter enjoys a nice rice wine from time to time, but that's about it.
Bumi loves his hard alcohol. It keeps him warm when he's chilled to the bone, and warms his heart when he's lonely.
Aang is twelve.
Ida is a robot.
The Loompas to my knowledge don't drink. Well, maybe medicinally.
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Gus is a mild social drinker... bad things happen when Gus drinks.
Henry has been known to have a beer or two. In my head canon he was a functional alcoholic through the divorce with Madeline and was forced into early retirement because of it.
Penny *snort* HAHAHAHAHAHA. MORE WINE PLEASE.