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Joshua is currently dating one of his childhood heroes. *shifty* He adored HG Wells growing up, even quoting Wells in his dissertation and Masters' thesis. There's not much Wellsian merch out there, but he did have a first edition of Time Machine. Time has only made him adore her even more. Other than HG Wells, Joshua's heroes are mostly scientists.

Helena adored Jules Verne when she was small, and modelled some of her books off of him.

Fantine didn't really have heroes per se.

Valentine's hero is her brother Ender. She still looks up to him, but that might change.

Tommy's had a few childhood heroes. When he was going through a cowboys phase, it was the Lone Ranger and Lucas McCain from The Rifleman. His parents wouldn't let him have any toy guns because he'd only shoot his eye out. (As we all know from A Christmas Story, toy guns back in the day were serious business!)

Then when he got older and started reading comic books, it was Batman. Of course he had some action figures and a Batmobile, which one of his cousins flushed down the toilet.

Then when sports became his main thing, it was Mickey Mantle and other Yankees greats. As an adult he still has a lot of admiration for sports icons of his day, especially baseball and hockey players. If he ever got to meet a famous athlete he'd totally revert to fanboy mode.

Thor's was, of course, his dad. Whom he saw every day! Also some of the legendary heroes of Asgard, some of whom had died with dramatic bravery and some of whom were still around and probably knocked some of the hero worship out of him with training exercises. Nowadays he still very much respects most of them, but in a more adult way. He still looks up to his dad; it's more complicated now, but his dad is also his king, so on some level he kind of feels it's a moral obligation to look up to him.

River's were various dancers and scientists and mathematicians, I think. She met a couple of the dancers, if they came to speak to her class or something, and was absolutely starry-eyed about it. If she met any of them now, she'd still kind of squee about it, although she'd also be intensely self-conscious about her communication issues in a way she rarely is any more.

Also her brother. Whom, again, she saw every day. Handy! They have a relationship nowadays that's much more that of equals; they're adult siblings who are also close friends, now. She doesn't hero-worship Simon any more, but she still loves him deeply.

Enjolras's mostly died between 1793 and 1794. Uh. There were others who died earlier though!

Since he was born in 1808 (Millicanonically; somewhere between 1806 and 1812, canonically, depending on which version of his inconsistent age you go with), no, he didn't ever get to meet Saint-Just or Robespierre or Rousseau or any of the others. Yes, he still looks up to them. (Now more than when he was a child he'd argue with them about certain matters, of course, because now he's an adult who's willing to go head-to-head with almost anyone about philosophy. Those certain matters might not be the ones you'd think, though. Enjolras is on board with a fair amount of the Terror, though not all.)

Clare's was and is Teresa.

Trowa... I'm not sure to what extent he had any, other than his captain, and that's less 'hero' than 'father figure even if neither of them would have said so.' He must have, I guess, but I don't know who. I'd just be making up names, anyway, since I'm sure they were closer to contemporaries than the 21st century (which is significantly in the past for him). All military figures, anyway, most likely.

Nowadays, no. All that was gone by, oh, age 11 or 12.

Regan, I'm not sure. Probably people from the standard 25th century elementary school roster of Heroes We Learn About. Some of them she still respects, some of them less so, but there's not really any hero-worship any more.

Edited (because I forgot to answer the part about whether the hero-worship was still true.) 2013-10-15 15:15 (UTC)

Alex: In the category of real childhood heroes, Alex adored her father. Her mother set the bar incredibly high, academically and professionally. But her father was the one who encouraged her to follow her heart. He was the one who sowed the seeds of compassion in her, who gave read her stories about heroes who could truly make a difference in the world. Her mother was no less a crusader for justice, but she went about it with a cutthroat attitude that spared no one around her. Alex was much more like her father, in wanting to help people, and in wanting to make the world a better place.

When he was killed when she was twelve, she devoted herself to making him proud of her. She's not a lawyer like her mother wanted her to be. Instead, she's a police officer, and one who helps police officers get through their hardest times so they can get back to doing the job.

Earl: ~giggles and goes back to snoozing~

John Silver: John was pressed into service at a very young age. The men he considered his 'heroes' were cut from a black jack faded by salt and stained with blood. I know he came into Flint's service while he was still a young man, and I know he idolized Flint. But he never could reconcile the true cost, in loyalties and lives, that Flint was willing to incur in his quest for earthly wealth. Now, he still craves that wealth, but the things required to do to acquire it lie in stark contrast to his loyalties to his crew. He's a bit of a mess under the bonnet, really.

Olga: In my head canon, Olga grew up in Kiev somewhere between the 10th and 12th centuries, when control the city and surrounding lands were in constant flux. Olga's childhood was non-existent in modern terms. She learned to stay alive, and then she learned what being an Other meant. (Fuck you, Gesar. Just -- fuck you.) She idolizes no one, because she knows everyone has their flaws. Everyone.

Sherlock: Sherlock's childhood heroes were all scientists. People who took the chaotic world tightly in hand, who took it apart down to the bare building blocks of matter, and who made it make sense. He never understood the dynamic between his mother and father, never understood what drove his brother to meddle in the affairs of other people, never understood people much in general. And he took the lead of Curie, and Rutherford, and Boyle and the like, trying to break people down into their base components. That is a process he engages in daily.

Vert: Again, no childhood.

Vlad: Again, didn't have what we would consider to be a childhood. He idolized his father and his father's father, defenders of the Cross, warriors and kings. And he learned very quickly that a strong sword arm and a cunning mind is what makes the difference between living kings and dead ones. If he grudgingly admired anyone, it would have been General Mehmed, the Sultan's tactical advisor, and the man who taught him how to play chess when he was ten years old. (Also, the man who later ordered him tortured in a futile attempt to make him convert to Islam, so there's some Stockholm syndrome going on there, as well.)

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Does anyone not hate Gesar? Heh

Gesar is what would happen if Dumbledore had given up the nice, fluffy everybody's-favourite-uncle thing and just said, 'Fuck it, there's a war on and we need talent, I don't care that you're only children.'

Gesar is a bastard who does what he thinks is necessary, and damn the costs. (Olga would also like to point out, he hangs out with Zevon on occasion, which should just by default, make him untrustworthy.)

Oh I hear you (Anton mun here). I am more than a little worried Anton is being groomed as his replacement and will have to become as ruthless. Of course Svetla and Nadia will just thump him if he tries it.

If by groomed, you mean 'thrown to the wolves repeatedly in a hope that he'll die gruesomely unless he's clever enough to extract himself'.

It makes Olga quietly fume in my head. This is why she drinks.

Katya? They would have tea and biscuits on Sunday afternoons.

I think Anton sees him as a necessity. Who else can match Zavulon?

~eyebrow~

Tea and biscuits, now.

Favours, later.

Kirk idolized his dad. Yes, he's a big fan of Abe Lincoln but that came later. As a kid, Kirk had a father who was out in space and doing good things and cool stuff.

Knox wanted to be James Bond. Or maybe JFK. Or Mickey Mantle, even though the Mick was a Yankee. Or John Glenn.

Every cynical Charlie the orphan didn't believe in heroes. And I don't think kids had heroes in Gibbs's youth.

Cy was going to be Walter Payton, the legendary Bears running back. He looks back and finds it funny that he put sports figures on a pedestal.

And Howard, as noted last time, was his grandfather's biggest fan. He also was a fan of Tesla.

Philippa: probably her dad and the rest of the Inception team. I imagine she also has a few psychologist and architect heroes and so on, but probably mostly her dad.

Jack Slater: SUZE. Because she was the first Mediator he met, and that's AWESOME. She also helped him realize that the ghosts he saw weren't out to harm him so much as ask him for favors, so there's that, too.

Todd Anderson: More family heroes! He idolized his brother, if only because he was so built up in his family as the perfect son. Not sure who else he'd idolize.

Ben, like most kids his generation, idolized Captain America and he still does, despite Civil War, where in Ben's opinion both sides put ideology before innocent people. Ben also worshiped his older brother, who died before Ben really got a chance to see his faults. Ben's come to accept his brother wasn't perfect but he did the best with what he had.

Anton I have no clue about. I imagine, being a good little communist, he was proud of Yuri Gagarin but I suspect he also wished to be like Ivan Tsarevich but more often ended up being Ivan the Fool.

I think Quin looked up to his father, while Jess looked up to her mother. Thalia I am drawing a blank on.

In past head canon, before we decided to firmly divide the MCU and the XMCU, Hank idolized Captain America. I had an idea that his Dad would always tell him stories about Captain America, sort of urban legends soldiers told themselves since Cap worked the European theater and I have McCoy Sr. in the Pacific. Beyond that, Flash Gordon and Hank had all sorts of toys as a kid. He might even still have a ray gun somewhere.

Edited 2013-10-15 18:43 (UTC)

Ben, like most kids his generation, idolized Captain America and he still does, despite Civil War, where in Ben's opinion both sides put ideology before innocent people. Ben also worshiped his older brother, who died before Ben really got a chance to see his faults. Ben's come to accept his brother wasn't perfect but he did the best with what he had.

Janet is right there with Ben on Cap, and whatever the generation happens to be. (Hello sliding timelines, how are you?)

I think Captain America is basically the MU's Wonder Woman; he just inspires.

Carol's greatest heroes included Helen Cobb (a fictional member of the Mercury 13, inspired by real life female pilots Jerri Truhill Sloan and Jerrie Cobb) and other kick-ass pilots.

I don't know if Lady Mary quite had heroes growing up, but she has great admiration for her father, the Earl of Grantham, and her grandmother Violet, the Dowager Countess of Grantham, for their commitment to stewarding the family estate and legacy.

Stiles had plenty of childhood heroes, both real and fictional, starting with his Dad, who was a Sheriff's Deputy, and later expanding to include the likes of Batman, Spiderman, Wonder Woman, and Han Solo. And that's before he started coming to Milliways and meeting more crazy awesome people.

Edited 2013-10-15 19:23 (UTC)

Gene - Gary Cooper.

Bruce Wayne - his dad.

Bruce Banner - his mum.

Javert and Valjean - didn't have any. Valjean got a hero at the age of forty-five though, does that count? That would be Bishop Myriel.

Eriond didn't really have one. Not in his psychology.

Henry's was some Marvel hero, I haven't decided who because I am not well-versed in Marvel and while he was shown looking at Wolverine vs. Hulk in a store, I don't think it's either of them. Later Emma is kind of his hero--there is totally merchandise! Except it's meta-merchandise, not in-world.

Lois' were her mom and dad. Her mom to some degree still is, mostly because she never had a chance to disappoint Lois. Her dad... well, in some ways Sam still is, despite their problems, but she's really disillusioned and kind of bitter, because she definitely discovered he is just a person and a highly flawed one at that. (Her first adult-life role models and heroes are Jonathan and Martha Kent--especially Martha, which never really fades. No comment on future hero, who she is acutely aware is just a person.) And obviously no in-world merchandise. (...yet.)

Tavi didn't have childhood heroes, exactly. His uncle Bernard probably came closest, but even he wasn't in the sense of hero-worship of "wanting to be exactly like." Maybe to an extent Isana, and that blind trust shatters hard when he finds out what she did to him. But he doesn't really have the mindset for it.

Very late but I wanted to think about it. Will's hero is Robin and his mentor too.

As Don said, in my mental headcanon of shared world, Charles went ooh at Captain America, otherwise its trickier. Watson and Crick, Gandhi, King for his life as an adult.

For a long time hie father was William's hero, now its harder to say if he has any. There are people he admires in Milliways but not really heroes.

Moist doesn't have any.

For Jane, Ann Radcliffe who published a book and married.

Sameth, his mother and father easily, they inspire him like no one else does.

Demeter doesn't really do heroes, she's seen too many of them die horribly.

Tumnus is tricky because its partly Lucy but she's also his friend and Aslan is something more. I'd say his father.

I'm not sure about the Pirate King.

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