ways_back_room | DE: how do you wear these things?

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His problem with this, however, was more with the role of helplessness—and the actual helplessness—than with the gender of the clothing, and certainly not with the period. He is totally cool with costumes in general, as long as they're not humiliating. He would not wear a dress by choice, but as long as it left him with proper mobility, he'd deal. There is plenty of unisex clothing in his world as well; everyone wears jumpsuits.

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Joshua doesn't have the legs for skirts, but if he had to, he'd flail his way through it. Clothing from a different era, he'd be alright with.

Helena wears trousers all the time and loves it. She's also quite fond of modern clothes.

Fantine would feel awkward in a suit and wonder why she's wearing it.

Valentine lives in a world of pretty androgenous clothing.

Mark looks terrible in skirts, but he could probably pull it off ~~when he doesn't have rocks in~~

Peter would just be a mess.

Tommy has already tried on an evening gown (thanks, Halloween-at-Milliways) and needless to say, he hates it. He would also most likely hate wearing clothes from a past era if they're vastly different from what he usually wears, especially formal attire. He'll wear a suit if he has to, but it's guaranteed that the knot on his tie will always be askew due to his fidgeting.

Thor would be totally fine with it, if he could wear something that let him move around easily. If he had to wear restrictive clothing, he'd get cranky with it fast. (Mythology has something like this! I am not going with that as canon per se, and the Marvel character dynamics are different in key ways, but neither am I ruling out the idea that some kind of hijinks like this have happened.) Anyway, my mental idea of Asgardian understandings of gender and gender presentation is not precisely the same as mainstream modern America's. Clothing from different eras (or, rather, different worlds), again, he's worn -- it's not his first choice, but if he can move in it and it doesn't look too ridiculous to him, he won't complain.

Enjolras, on the other hand, would be SO CRANKY OMG. He's an extremely masculine guy from a society with a strong gender division -- and he looks pretty androgynous anyway, which makes him present more strongly as masculine in the ways he can control. If he had to dress as a woman, he would hate it. Modern male clothing he would find weird in tactile ways, but he'd only be bothered by it if it felt indecent to him (i.e. short sleeves, etc.) Give him trousers and a button-down with a jacket, or even a heavy t-shirt with a long-sleeved overshirt, and he'd be fine.

Trowa would not choose it, but he'd roll with it. Ditto a previous era. He would sublimate all feeling silly into efforts to more effectively a) be unruffled, or b) be convincingly undercover, depending on the situation.

River has some tactility issues that means she prefers her clothes to be either skin-tight and spandexy or loose and flowing. As long as the clothes worked with that, she would be totally fine, and would probably have fun with it! If they didn't, she'd be twitchy, but it wouldn't be based on how they looked or on gender-specific issues.

Regan would either find it kind of fun or feel extremely silly, depending on the situation and the exact clothes. She wouldn't have any major issues with either scenario, though.

Clare would not care. At all. She's (at this point) most comfortable with her uniform, and anything else is a weird costume to her, although one she's occasionally called upon to use. Later, she'll wear other clothes. Still, function is all she really cares about, and form only for fairly blunt communication. Anything involving nuances of fashion or human societal signals is very, very much an afterthought.

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Oh, so the Thor-as-a-bride comic has basis in folklore! Hee.

It does! There was a while where if I'd been making an MCU Fic Bingo card as a reader, I would have put "Lay of Thrym allusion" as a square on it for sure; lots of people had fun working it into various things, either as a plot point or as a past anecdote.

Invincible had to wear the traditional garb of the Atlantean champion, when he had to fight a Deep Dweller to prove himself worthy of being Atlantis' new champion and king (and incidentally marrying the Queen of Atlantis, who is a fish, and consummating the marriage there in the arena, in full view of the populace). I tried to find an image, but the Internet has failed me. Suffice it to say, the traditional garb of the Atlantean champion is a frilly, pinkish-white outfit of a vaguely teddy cut (something like this, only with more frills at the shoulders and hips). He was not particularly amused. (It really didn't do anything for him; he doesn't have the hips for it.) He got rid of it as soon as the whole kerfuffle with the Atlanteans was resolved.

None of mine would be comfortable in any way whatsoever with having to wear other-sex clothes. The Bruces might try to laugh it off with weary resignation, as they're modern, and have respect for women. They wouldn't be grossed out by it, but they'd feel pretty stupid.

Gene would be unbearable. And would refuse/would not leave the house/would never let anyone see. He's the ultimate man's man. There's a canon episode of him having to deal with a pre-op trans woman, and lets just say he has a few choice things to say on the matter. 'Gender-bending freak of nature' was perhaps the kindest. He's had to wear modern men's clothes a few times now, and doesn't mind in the least. He looks pretty good in them, which helps.

Javert, Jean Valjean and Robin are all from a time - as Gen said - with a strong gender division. None of them could cope with this at all, in any way. Robin has the slightest advantage in another sense, as women's clothing was at least a little simpler then. Put Javert and Jean Valjean into something with corsets and floofy sleeves, they wouldn't even know how to get out of it. Ugh, they are quite repelled by the notion in my head.

Modern clothing though - J and VJ have both been put into them a couple of times now. Javert didn't mind wearing a suit too much when he went to California with Ganymede, though obviously he found it strange. The material is different, and the cut and line of it. He appreciated the simplicity of it, though Bar didn't give him a tie. He'd be a bit confused by that, I think, even though it's related to a cravat. Valjean was put into leopard-print and gold lame trousers, so the notion of modern clothes is a bit warped in his head now, and he'd rather not go there again.

Any showing of skin is weird to all my three far-past history guys, but Robin's the one that'd be most chilled about that. Workmen wear less layers than the gentry, after all, and he's a yeoman. Society isn't quite as puritan as it becomes later. But Javert and Valjean come from a society with strict rules on decency, and they both uphold them strongly. So, yeah. Modern-day suits they could both handle. Short sleeves, short trousers, open collars - they'd rather not.

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Jess and Val would be smoking in men's clothes, especially tuxes or suits.

Hank McCoy would be all sorts of embarrassed and would be seriously put out.

Anton has trouble but adapts, though he does sort of re-masculates himself by eating bad food and watching hockey. This is from canon when he switches bodies with a female Watch member. At first he has serious trouble with the high heels and walking "womanly" and ends up hiding out at another fellow Watch members house. Being vague as I have plans for running through this at some point.

Quin I think would be fine. If he hasn't already dressed in female clothing for missions. Corsets would annoy him though as would bras.

Andrea is another would likely rock a suit. I don't think she'd have trouble at all.

Brimstone......heheheheh...All I can think of is the lyrics from Temple of Love, "And a devil in a black dress". He would be very confused by peoples reactions but wouldn't think much of it himself. He nearly wears skirts anyway.

Which leaves Mulan. It could be argued she already wears clothing more appropriate for men in her culture, so I'll answer as if she had to wear clothing more appropriate for women in her culture. No, better yet, Aurora's culture. She would be very stoic and brave but terrified all the same. The long trains would trip her constantly and she would catch her sleeves on everything. She would feel exposed without her armor and the slippers would be too thin compared to her boots. I think she would be very self conscious about harming the garments as well, which would be expensive since they are Aurora's. I think this might need to become a fic.

Katya feels that Anton's exploration into his feminine side wasn't fully realized and should definitely be expanded upon.

Preferably whilst Katya knows about it.

:D

He will have one EP as I've already cleared that with the relevant mun. Nothing beyond that but that doesn't mean the one EP can't last a while right? ; p

I'll be sure to ping you when I get to a doing it.

Bwahahaha. I fully approve. :D

Are you familiar with Firefly? I am now picturing Quinlan pulling a similar stunt to what Malcom Reynolds did in the show to help catch bad guys. He has a line in that scene that's something like "I swear by my pretty little floral bonnet that I will end you."

Bwhahahah. That is too perfect a comparison!

Thank you! I'm glad you like it.

Ellen has never worn clothing typically worn by her own gender. Seriously, she's never worn a skirt of any kind, nor heels other than the ones in work boots, and when she's gone to other people's worlds she's always wound up either using a pre-War suit that she tailored down to her dimensions or gender-neutral clothing from their world. Her major problem with having to wear actual men's clothing is that most men are bigger than her (she's 5'2"). Wearing women's clothing from another era would be something of an issue if it were Western women's clothing of prior years- in FO3 and Fallout New Vegas, if a female character puts on a prewar outfit, it has a skirt, so I assume that American prewar gender roles were pretty clearly defined at least clothing-wise. Previous eras' Korean clothing would be a complete mystery to her regardless of the gender they were intended for, since everything she knows about her ethnic heritage is that her parents' ancestors 'fled' the United Koreas, probably to get away from Communism.

Gordon would get mightily annoyed with being made to wear women's clothing, and if he was issued a skirt would demand needle and thread and scissors and start doing his damnedest to turn it into a Utilikilt on the grounds that the kilt is the manliest way to go pantsless.

Shephard would probably not deal all that well with having to wear women's clothing but would not complain about it over-much because making disparaging comments about anything to do with women used to get him smacked in the head by his mother and he is not entirely sure she won't find out about it and track him down if he does it again. However, he did spend one Cubefall in a female body, mostly so that he could get an idea of what female fighters had to work with- it was Lyudmila Pavlichenko's, specifically. He was okay with that because he had an end-of-effect date to work with. Basically, if he had to do it he'd grumble and sulk about it, and then he'd beat anybody senseless who gave him shit about it.

The only way you could get Edward Kenway to wear women's clothing would be if it were a disguise that would allow him to leap out at an enemy when they least expected it, and he'd be shedding pieces of the outfit as he fled the scene, assuming he didn't just strip the enemy's corpse and wear the other man's clothing to escape.

Varric would comment that the only women's clothing that shows off his best physical feature is usually worn by the professionals at the Blooming Rose. Note that in his world, female dwarves are very definitely not interchangeable with male dwarves, appearance-wise.

Mordin would laugh and laugh and laugh and point out that ninety percent of his species is male and that the females generally only leave their homeworlds for major political things, so where exactly were you planning on getting the women's clothing. And then he'd do it anyway because he's been in community theater and sometimes you have to cross-dress for that.

Stacker Pentecost would like to know where you intend to find women's clothing in his size.

El Santo probably wouldn't be perturbed by the prospect, but he's not taking the mask off, regardless.

Medic... would probably only do it if he'd lost a bet, and he'd keep very careful notes of exactly how many times Herr Scout and Herr Soldier were going to need their insides reconfigured as a result of their comments on the subject.

Gavroche has adapted just fine to more modern clothes (although it helps that the fashions of the Underside are a complete mishmash, so nobody would care if he wore 19th century clothes anyway).

Ichabod... has not. There's a canon incident involving skinny jeans. And then he goes and finds a reenactment garb supplier.

Felix would have no problem with modern clothes, at least in general; he'd be uncomfortable with the idea of wearing women's clothes, but would handle it if he had to.

My others... well, the question doesn't apply to Fluttershy and Kain just scowls at me.

Will would be uncomfortable, but I think he would deal. After all the changes Bar has put him through, it would be strange but not as weird as being a Faun.

Charles would feel awkward and not like that he doesn't feel comfortable. Gender ideas are starting to shift in his time and he's a telepath and his sister a shapeshifter, so he knows its important to not be held down by old concepts of male and female since so much of it is created. Yet, he really likes his suits and would feel exposed in one of Raven's dresses.

Moist would have fun with it, just another costume. He actually was in a wig and women's clothes for Halloween.

William would be embarrassed and trip on various things but gain a new respect for his mother.

Jane has worn the men's clothing of her era for either a Mardi Gras or a Halloween and once she got used to it, she enjoyed the freedom.

Sameth would also trip on things and feel unsure of himself if he had to wear his sister's dresses. Also I feel that the outfit would end up rather singed due to how he works.

Ivan would be awkward and then adjust. Barrayaran culture has a focus on the masculine but his mother is one of the best examples of a woman using society and Barrayaran ideas to her own advantage. He wouldn't be at his best and feel like he should handle it better, but still awkward.

Demeter is a complicated one, because ancient Greek clothing wasn't too different for men and women. Women's outfits were longer than men's but that's about it. She would shrug and deal with it, as long as her feet are touching the ground she's fine. Modern clothing, she doesn't like that much, part of that is just she prefers her simple dresses.

Tumnus, I think wouldn't see any great difference as Fauns don't wear that much clothing to begin with.

The Pirate King would grumble at first and then find some way to work it to his advantage.

If you even decide to have the Pirate King go drag, you can always use that scene from WIld, Wild, West for an icon or example image. = ]

I don't know if Amascut has ever pretended to be a man. She has been canonically described as handsome and statuesque, and she is/chooses to appear decently muscled. (The in-game character model lies! Then again you can only depict so much with a low poly count) That being said, I very much doubt she would be uncomfortable in "men's" clothes from her world or ours. Just as long as it isn't too restrictive. She would have problems with women's fashions on our world from different eras, though. She prefers rocking the flowy skirt look because she can look distinctly feminine and still kick ass in it, but she absolutely hates that statue makers and muralists used to depict her in tight little hobble dresses all the time. She also hates Halloween for that same reason since so far I have been sticking her in tight skirts as well. :-S

I think she would appreciate the concept of a bra. But then again, she has lived though millenia without one. Also, she's a goddess. All the above arguments may be invalid.

Fairy Fixit wears overalls with big poofy pantlegs with knee-high boots. The only other female fairy that wears pants (big and poofy, with knee-high boots as well!) is the head Tooth Fairy. Fixit and the head Tooth Fairy look so much alike and have such a similar fashion sense that I have headcanonned that they are sisters, in fact. All other female fairies wear short skirts and the males wear pants, which are decidedly non-poofy. I think Fixit would be fine in men's wear, as long as it was in her size.

Mia has worn men's clothes during her time in Milliways. It was her idea, so she was certainly fine with it.

Lohengrin automatically doesn't like the idea and would probably find the clothing of women in his home too restraining and in the way. He would probably handle modern clothes better in that sense. Mobility is definitely a plus!

Lucas probably wouldn't mind it too much? I might just be saying this because I've seen some fanart of Lucas wearing dresses and he looks ridiculous cute in them?

If forced into a dress or such, the first thing Jack would do, would be to take a knife to it, to make sure he can move freely. Also, he'd do his best to strip away any frills and such. If that was impossible, he'd grimace and bear it. And he'd definitely do his best to make sure as few people as possible saw him.
Clothing from another era, well, again, as long as he can move freely, he's pretty much fine with it. Anything that's too restrictive, well, adjustments are being made...

Alfred would just roll with it. He lets people look down on him all the time, simply because of the position he holds. And yet, he remains confident in his own person. Admittedly, if he didn't look presentable, he would be, uh, concerned, but he wouldn't be particularly bothered about it being women's or from the past.

Bean will soon be living in a world of jump suits. If forced into a dress/skirt rather than anything else, at the moment, he'd be reasonably okay with it. He's relatively confident in who he is, and hey, it's more clothing than he used to wear when he lived on the streets. In a few years, he'd be following Jack in checking his mobility and then making sure he still has a full range of movement.

Erik would grumble and moan, but wouldn't actually do anything about it. Max would grumble less, but be more likely to do something (or, at least try to).

Aradia would be unbothered. Trolls do have gender roles, and the cosmetic aspects are probably where they match up best with human gender roles, but all it'd really amount to is wearing a pair of jeans instead of a long skirt. Not her preference, but unobjectionable. Wearing historical clothing would be fun too.

Dr Thurlow wears men's clothes normally, though they sternly refuse to answer whether their sex is typical for this fashion choice. If you made Thurlow wear a dress, they would be incredibly grouchy about it and complain about every practical, comfort, and aesthetic shortcoming they could possibly find, everything from "WHERE ARE THE POCKETS" to "THIS LACE IS SCRATCHY". (They don't like being assumed to be a man or a woman, but the latter assumption makes them much surlier. However, they'd rather not directly say so.)

Thurlow feels most comfortable wearing several layers of clothing, so between their era's idea of decency and their personal reluctance to wear anything too form-fitting they'd feel very exposed in a T-shirt and jeans. It would be significantly improved by the addition of a hoodie and a leather jacket. A modern suit would also pass muster.

*cracks up*

...Alanna has no problem with it!

She does, however, have a SERIOUS problem walking in skirts. Mistress Cooper won't ever be able to cure her of her stride.

Jay has done drag for justice far, far more times than he'd ever admit. He actually walks pretty well in heels too.

Olivier would have no idea what to do. I suspect he would panic.

All of them would be cool with it, TBH ~~And Samantha Barks looks great in a suit~~

DE: how do you wear these things?

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