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Joshua Donovan ([personal profile] damncompass) wrote in [community profile] ways_back_room2014-06-20 08:26 am
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Daily Entertainment - Prejudice Edition!

I am uncreative today, so I'm pulling a question from my favourite character-question list.

Does your character have any prejudices or biases? Do they have any natural opinions that other characters/canons/time periods would find offensive?

Disclaimer: All opinions in this post are those of characters, and by no means should anyone believe they are those of any mun. Also, beware of possibly offensive things in this post.

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[personal profile] sdelmonte 2014-06-20 01:17 pm (UTC)(link)
Good question to ask, since we should never be blind to our pups' failings.

Knox: He's a bit sexist, in that way that most men born in 1954 would be. He thinks he's not, but he is. He's not particularly prejudiced against minorities, but he is the sort who resents American jobs going overseas, and isn't all that fond of Moslems. And he really doesn't like gay men, even though he abhors homophobic violence.

Gibbs: Terribly sexist. But as a sailor and a pirate, he's surprisingly open minded for his time. To him, the world is divided between the pirates and everyone else, and your color, religion, and even sexual preference don't matter as long as you do your job. However, he has a particular dislike for Catholics, Spain, France, and anyone else that the English have a beef with.

Howard: Another man who really thinks himself to be less prejudiced than he is. Only his unlikely friendship with Noriko has guided him away from a total dislike of the Japanese. Working with the Howling Commandos did a lot to open his eyes about how prejudiced he was, but I can't say the tendency to discriminate based on color or race is gone. His sexism is entrenched, despite Agent Carter putting the lie to it. And he is an utter homophobe. And yet he really thinks he is very liberal on matters of bias. For him time, he is. But not for ours.

Cy: OK, now we get to the better people. Cy is the sort who, facing discrimination as both a man of color and a cyborg, bends over backwards to not be that way to anyone. It doesn't hurt that he grew up in a time when so many of the old prejudices were dying and seem really silly. I'm sure he has some issues with some people, but they tend not to manifest much.

Kirk: He'd be perfect if it weren't for the Klingons. Mankind is so much better in the future. But not perfect. I like to think that by the end of his life, Kirk's even gotten better about the Klingons, but I am not sure.

Charlie: Whatever biases he had, they are gone. It took a lot of work, but he made himself grow. If only we could all manage that.
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[personal profile] camwyn 2014-06-20 02:16 pm (UTC)(link)
Kirk: He'd be perfect if it weren't for the Klingons.

Really? Because he seems kind of condescending when it comes to people who claim to deal with the supernatural, or gods, or artificial intelligences in general.

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[personal profile] sunbaked_baker 2014-06-20 01:20 pm (UTC)(link)
Sunshine is much less prejudiced against sentient non-humans than the average citizen of her world. She does her best to be mindful and respectful when it comes to Others, as her world terms them, because she knows so many. She grew up in her step-father's coffeehouse, which serves everyone equally, as equals, and that reflects in her attitude towards humans, Others, and Part-Blood Others. Others are typically treated like second-class citizens in her world, viewed with inherent distrust and sometimes outright suspicion, often unable to get more than entry-level positions at any job, and outright banned from any occupation labeled "sensitive," such as working for the government, or working with small children. Sunshine does still have a small wariness about Others - in canon once feeling a sudden cold realization that she was likely the only human in a room - but she is working on doing away with that. Her bias against vampires is still very much there, but is less than it was.

In her world, humanity has had too many bigger problems to deal with, for the population to waste time worrying about in-fighting, so her world doesn't generally see many people with prejudices regarding race, creed, gender, or sexual orientation. Sunshine is often surprised to find out they're such big deals in other worlds.
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[personal profile] mogget_cat 2014-06-20 01:22 pm (UTC)(link)
Yrael is speciesist against dogs. >_>
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[personal profile] venusadept_2 2014-06-20 01:49 pm (UTC)(link)
Felix has... I'm not sure how to articulate it. Something about the distinction between people with powers and people without, and the way the latter are... less important, perhaps? It's not that he doesn't care about them, but... arrgh. The difficulty is that it's so subconscious for him, and he - however significant - is still a subsidiary part of me. Basically, the manifestation is that while he'll save powerless people if they're in trouble, he doesn't really care about their rules and minor property and so on. There are some indications that this may be a common thing among Adepts, at least earth Adepts from Vale, rather than being Felix-specific.
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[personal profile] camwyn 2014-06-20 01:49 pm (UTC)(link)
Gordon has a tendency to assume that new people he meets are probably idiots until they prove otherwise. He is not really aware of this tendency and would deny it if asked. This is part of how he came to be perceived as a silent protagonist, because he avoids speaking to people who make him angry or people he doesn't respect.

Shephard doesn't deal well with gay men and tends to think that gay or bisexual women are hot unless they are excessively butch. This is not a laudable attitude but it is one that is present, and is probably behind a number of his swearword choices. While it is not something he consciously thinks about, he is also of the opinion that as long as you are not actively trying to get into his pants, it is not his business what you do with what you've got in yours. He also does not generally think very much of city people, or anyone who thinks Deliverance was a documentary. Worth noting, however, is that if you are currently or have ever been a member of the Marine Corps, he considers this more important than anything else about you, including race, religion, gender, species, and sexual orientation. He will throw people through walls for insulting his brothers and sisters of the Corps, regardless of what he might think about them individually.

Medic thinks every single other person alive on the planet is an idiot and it is only a matter of degrees as to how much of an idiot they are. He reserves a special hatred for the Nazis because they let their personal religious and racial prejudices both get in the way of science and ruin their country, and he will go out of his way to punch your teeth down your throat if you call him one. There's idiocy and then there's idiocy.

Edward Kenway's a bit of a sexist at this point in canon, and while he is reasonably forward-thinking in some matters of race (it's more important that Adewale knows what the hell he's doing than that Adewale is a black-skinned Trinidadian), he's still a product of 1715 (it never occurred to Edward that just possibly Adewale might be the one who should take command of the ship until after he'd already declared himself captain). He also harbors a good deal of class prejudice against so-called gentlemen and people of wealth and station. On the other hand he is of the attitude that if you've turned to piracy for your living, then as long as you don't commit serious atrocities, you're welcome in his crew. And I'm pretty sure that like quite a lot of the historically known pirates he's just fine with homosexuality or bisexuality, because when you're at sea for extended lengths of time that's what you do. I am not sure if he counts getting together with another man as cheating on one's wife. Probably not.

Varric thinks the traditionalist dwarves of Orzammar have their heads collectively where the sun does not shine. (In a literal sense, he is correct.) He is also a bit prone to thinking of traditionalists in general as hidebound and easy targets, and is likely to write off Qunari in general as dangerous 'oxmen'. He really doesn't think much of Templars, which is not entirely fair because a lot of them are just doing their jobs, but what can you do.

Santo is generally a pretty open-minded guy, but tends to believe that women and children should be defended first, since men are naturally better suited to defending themselves.

Stacker Pentecost's primary biases are against cowards and politicians in general. Many of his attitudes can be summed up by two paragraphs of Teddy Roosevelt's 'Citizenship in a Republic' speech, better known as the Man in the Arena speech- both the paragraph about 'it is not the critic who counts' and the one immediately before it. He also has an intense dislike for doomspeakers in general.

Ellen is by and large okay with everybody until they give her a hard time, but will rapidly start bristling and getting dismissive towards people who talk about how nice Canada is. Nothing against Canada, but after Nicholas Angel seriously suggested that people in the Capital Wastelands should move to Canada after speaking to her for all of ten minutes, she's... really not kindly inclined towards the place.
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[personal profile] 1nv1nc1ble 2014-06-20 02:09 pm (UTC)(link)
Speaking of Medic, have you seen the new TF2 video, "Expiration Date"? It's mostly Scout- and Spy-centric, but Medic gets a few nice scenes (Scout: "Augh! What the hell is that?!" Medic (cheerfully): "Tumors!").

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[personal profile] protect_and_survey 2014-06-20 02:05 pm (UTC)(link)
Jemma: She has some odd opinions about Asgardians. Or not so odd, given one of them is responsible for the deaths of quite a lot of people she knows and tried to take over the world. But alien artifacts, alien virus - love it. Actualfax aliens? Lots of disgruntled grumbling and talk about vivisection. We're just... gonna keep her away from Thor, k?

Balthazar has definite opinions on how the Master-Apprentice relationship is supposed to go. He's not exactly sure when Apprentices felt that they could get mouthy and rebellious, but he is sure he doesn't like this development.

William has his time's view on... everything, though he's more tolerant than most and rather clever - he figured out that telling Agent May to put a dress on wouldn't be a good idea straight off, after all. :D

Glorfindel and Katya both have a definite separation between their own kind and humans. Glorfindel rather likes humans, but he does have a natural bias towards his own kind. Katya is more Higher Other, and probably would never get involved with a human long-term - they just keep dying and their tendency to be more Light one day and more Dark the next is frustrating.

Sam, Clara/Oswin, Ace, and Bones are all fairly non-judge-y.
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[personal profile] genarti 2014-06-20 02:35 pm (UTC)(link)
Ahahahahahaha. Yes, probably for the best -- unless of course we feel like hilarious awkwardness some day!

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[personal profile] 1nv1nc1ble 2014-06-20 02:16 pm (UTC)(link)
Mark certainly doesn't think he has any real prejudices, but he does come from a position of white male privilege (though he's not entirely aware of it). He tries to be sensitive to others, but is obviously limited by his education and experience. He does have something of a bias against Viltrumites currently, for obvious reasons.
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[personal profile] adiva_calandia 2014-06-20 02:32 pm (UTC)(link)
I strongly suspect Beverly Katz has a somewhat rosier view of law enforcement and a somewhat more . . . pragmatic view of privacy rights than I do personally. She's not, like, J. Edgar Hoover, but she's not quite Jane Turner either. (This pragmatic view does not extend to enhanced interrogation techniques, which aren't really something that come up a lot around the BSU, but which she has Strong Opinions on.)

Epimetheus will occasionally slip into some mildly retrograde ways of thinking about women, but his female relatives can and will rake him across the coals if he fucks up too badly, and after several millennia he has pretty much come to the conclusion that people are people and he may as well live and let live. Notably, he's got an Ancient Greek's view of homosexuality (*thumbs up!*) and race relations (why would this be a problem?)

Carmela is a queer Latina who's into sentient non-humans. She doesn't like Republicans. (Nita co-signs this, with the slightly broader caveat that she doesn't like people who don't respect human dignity, period.)
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[personal profile] genarti 2014-06-20 02:32 pm (UTC)(link)
Heh.

Enjolras is very sexist. He doesn't think he is -- it's just, you know, women are part of the whole domestic sphere with babies and households and romance and all that, and he is Over Here committing himself to stuff that is not that. He's willing to accept that sometimes women transcend their sex to think seriously about larger concerns!

...Yeah. Uh. It's a product of his time, but that's not an excuse for it, because plenty of people were broader-minded; plenty of his friends were broader-minded. Milliways has taught him a little better, but he hasn't yet really incorporated that into his worldview, just made a few more individual exceptions. I'm hoping to work on this with him, but it's a slow and background thing. (I'm always up for getting him in arguments/discussions on the subject, too, although there are types of arguments he'll listen to and types that will just bounce off as coming from too different a starting point.)

Other than that he's pretty good. He's not all that racist -- ethnocentric, for sure; occasionally a little prone to generalizations about 'primitive peoples' (>.<), yes; but not racist about the skin color of people standing in front of him. Very much not classist -- very consciously and comprehensively so. And not particularly homophobic, because that's all in the category of Stuff You Can Do If You Want, Have Fun, I'll Be Over Here, and France of his era was a lot looser about such things than England. (Not perfect, but, for example, it was not at all illegal.) Gender essentialist and stuck on the binary, though, yep.

Cosette is part of the same milieu as Enjolras, but, you know, a woman. Which changes things! Also her upbringing was very different. She's definitely gender essentialist, but her ingrained sexism is less of the "ugh, babies and womanly feelings and things" sort and more "women have more tender hearts than men" and such. Again, I'd like to broaden her horizons somewhat, but it'll be a gradual thing. Racism -- not really, but she's definitely ethnocentric in a time that hasn't invented that word yet and not used to meeting a lot of foreigners (or... people in general) so I've already had to wince a lot at her tendency to ask accidentally awkward questions because she doesn't know what's loaded. (I stomp on that tendency some, depending on who she's talking to.) Homophobia, she'd have to know what it was to think of it, after which she'll be like, "I... am not quite sure God approves, but it's making you happy, so that's nice!" Classism, in the benevolently paternalistic way of somebody who grew up giving out alms a lot.

Phew. Okay, there, we're past the 19th century folk from a 19th century canon.

Thor is... working on getting over his prejudice about Jötuns? He never really thought about that one, until WHOOPS. He used to have a certain tendency to dismiss humans and similarly fragile species -- yeah, they could be valiant and all, but so easily overawed by simple powers, and so short-lived! Then he got his pride slapped down and got to watch them being stubborn and brave within their own context, at the same time, and now he's very impressed with them. He does still have a tendency to go "Oh my god, everything can break you!" but oh well. And he is generally very good at live-and-let-live cultural relativism, unless it hits a point he considers outright dishonorable. He's kind of classist not in the way where he thinks poor people are lazy or whatever, but he takes his own position at the top of hierarchies for granted.

Clare, I'm not even sure. Uh. People at Milliways argue with her sometimes about whether she's human?? Anybody whose gender presentation is ambiguous she tends to think is female, especially if they're at all powerful. She thinks of all humans as needing protection, but men don't even have a chance of becoming Claymores -- it's not that they need more protection, it's that they'll never not need protection, whereas women could (but it sucks to take that option.) She's an outsider to society in a lot of relevant ways. She's biased against anybody who's at all demonic, let's go with that. There are a lot of perfectly nice Milliways patrons whom Clare is totally convinced she might need to behead at any moment.

River's pretty good about this. Hmm. She started out pretty good, and then she got uncontrollable psychic powers, so... I don't want to imply that she's a one-woman social justice utopia, here, but I can't think of any immediate biases that are relevant to mention.

Regan has some classism going on, though. Well-meaning classism she's trying to battle in herself, but nonetheless it's pretty darn ingrained. Probably some ingrained sexism, too. Racism and homophobia and gender binary/essentialism stuff, I'm not sure about.

Trowa is kind of a social outsider like Clare, although less dramatically so. Hmm. Mostly he divides the world mentally into soldiers and civilians, according to his own assessment rather than their actual title/role. I'm sure he must have some, but as with River I can't immediately think of what they'd be.
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[personal profile] bjornwilde 2014-06-20 03:17 pm (UTC)(link)
Jessica has a thing about skrulls. I think I've mentioned this before. She doesn't see if as a prejudice but will have it thrown in her face if I ever get to the Infinity story. She also simply will not trust anyone from HYDRA.

Hank likes to think of himself as forward thinking and openminded but he's not really. He suffers from his time's perception of women, though in his case it's more that if he shares an opinion, the woman should accept his superior intellect. He also secretly thinks of himself as superior since he is so much smarter than everyone else.

Brimstone is judgmental but not prejudiced. He will take everyone he meets as an individual and allow them to make mistakes on their own merits. He does have a thing against people putting unnecessary things into themselves.

Quin is pretty dang open minded. He even gave a Sith a chance to prove herself a decent person.

Mulan is pretty quick to judge people on their usefulness. She used to have a prejudice against princesses, as far as them being out in the wild and their usefulness, but Aurora turned her around. I am not sure if Mulan would still be hard on another princess if she met another out on a quest. I might have to explore this in an OOM.

Isabella is currently fighting with what she is told a woman is capable of or should be verses what she wants to do. She also suffers from a cultural prejudice, believing her country is far superior to others.

Which leaves Andrea. Andrea has a low opinion of shapeshifters and a sever prejudice against were-hyenas (boudas) in particular. Any shapeshifter who is reckless is a problem from her POV and likely one she will have to deal with in a professional capacity, sooner or later. What makes this even more fun is that she is what she hates and mistrusts. She'll get better if I even get back to her canon.
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[personal profile] camwyn 2014-06-20 03:19 pm (UTC)(link)
Isabella reminds me- did you want to continue the thread with her and Ellen?

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[personal profile] bcgphoenix 2014-06-20 03:31 pm (UTC)(link)
Robots. The more sentient they are, the less Gaeta likes them.

This wasn't always the case! He thought the Eights had the capacity for decency! Before the incident with Raptor 718, he kind of had a fledgling idea that not every Cylon was bent on murdering everything he loves! And then, uh, yeah. Sorry, sentient machines of the multiverse.
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[personal profile] onceaviking 2014-06-20 03:32 pm (UTC)(link)
Eric is casually arrogant, having grown up as part of the ruling class and being now a a powerful, dangerous predator.
He detests cowards (and will include magic users in this category, because they don't fight fairly and openly) and is between indifferent and hostile towards humans. Except when he is not, which is more often than he would likely admit.
He does not consider gay men proper men ( there is a strong disconnect between what Eric might do and what other people do and how it reflects on them - all tied up with the concept of beingarg), but he is largely indifferent to what people do and what they look like, at least these nights.
Humans are blood bags. Skin colour, gender - it's all surface.
Religious people are a category unto themselves.


Elrond tries to keep his prejudices to himself, but he does sometimes want to shake the race of Men. And all Dwarves. And quite a few elves.
And eradicate Orcs.

There is quite a lot of frustration and anger beneath the calm surface. He keeps it carefully in check.
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[personal profile] nocarename 2014-06-20 06:02 pm (UTC)(link)
So, how does Eric feel about not having all those nifty vampire powers going into a fight now? Because I'm getting the sense that the only unfair edge there is, is one that Eric doesn't have.

Which is, alas, terribly normal but probably bears pointing out.

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[personal profile] aberration 2014-06-20 03:34 pm (UTC)(link)
Elle's already limited view of the reality most people in her world experience is furthered by her race and class privilege – she doesn't really comprehend, or try to comprehend, how her experience would be different if those factors were different, which is in itself a bias, even if she doesn't feel outward prejudice concerning them. The best that can be said is that even if she doesn't understand it or make an effort to, she wouldn't challenge another's account concerning it, nor their input. She would be able to recognize that she's not one to do that. And while she does experience sexism, she doesn't conceptualize it as something systemic, so much as "a weird thing normal people do." For all the Company's faults (e.g., a LOT), her experience with it was that what mattered was one's abilities, regardless of how those manifested. (I… think I'm reading a bit against canon here, because I feel like the racism and sexism that was shown in the Company was more a meta product of those writing the show than an intended issue, but.)

She does also view people who are… "normally" socialized as sort of in need of protection, to an extent. And she can have difficulty being understanding or patient with people who don't respond to trauma the way that she has. Both are sort of hedged, however, by the fact that she doesn't feel very secure in her own feelings and so wouldn't really try to impose them or even necessarily think of them as correct.


Asami has a lot of class privilege. The main things that have kept her grounded at all are: a) an awareness of her father's history and where her family came from, which is – poor migrant Fire Nation workers, with all her wealth coming from her father's success with his invention; and b) spending a lot of time around diverse groups of people, most particularly around those who work in her father's factories. She's very aware of her privilege, but she can still have missteps concerning it – e.g., in her need to take on responsibility, she can sometimes lean toward savior-complex or paternalism.

Unlike some in her current political climate, she doesn't harbor any bias toward benders. Though not extremely defensive about it, she will challenge someone who thinks her being a non-bender makes her inherently weak or inferior.


Will is… weird. He tends to like… osmosis other people's feelings. Which means he can empathize with other people's biases/prejudices, and also… with other people who might be the subject of those biases/prejudices. He does have white privilege, and a … type of male privilege. (Though... I'm at this point sort of parting with Fuller here – in my mind, Will is not het, and M was something imposed on him rather than something he feels an inherent identification with. He doesn't feel much of an inherent identification with anything, but it's hard for him to break away from others' expectations for him in any circumstance, let alone those that come with your birth-assigned sex. And WOW this is getting off-topic.) I should also note here that empathy for him comes in two forms – the intellectual exercise of trying to understand another's perspective (which most of us are pretty much capable of), and the reflexive action his mind takes to effectively mimic those around him (which is fairly unique to him). The combination of these means that he doesn't usually have a lot of judgment toward anyone. (Anyone - to the point that he sometimes needs to actively rebuild his moral standards, because there are people who probably should be judged, like, you know, serial killers. This is also why it's a big deal when he starts deciding some people deserve to die.) On the other hand, his reflexive empathy means he is going to, at least temporarily, sometimes take on the biases and prejudices of others. This can be like a subtle, insidious growth, or a very obvious presence that he finds really unpleasant. With the latter he can usually tell pretty quickly what's his and what is someone else – with the former, that can be a lot more difficult.

Having grown up poor, Will does have a "half-buried grudge" against the rich. That's a quote from the book – the show has touched on it to a lesser extent, but class is a pretty common theme in the books, running through both Will and Clarice. And I think it's meant to be present in the show, given that there are a lot of visual motifs contrasting Will and Lecter on those terms. (Among other things, I'm pretty sure Lecter's watch cost more than Will's house.) I'm still working out to… what extent these feelings existed before, but – Will's view of law enforcement is also pretty clouded now. Despite working as a cop and for the FBI, I don't actually think it was that bright to begin with – being a cop was a good job and he didn't have a lot of other obvious options, and he progressed to profiling for the FBI because he's… good at it in an unparalleled way. I guess for right now I'd say that my feeling is that, even before his experience with being arrested and incarcerated, I feel like the show version of Will was less comfortable with his place in law enforcement than the book version. (My headcanon is that when he entered the FBI he'd intended to specialize in forensics and basically be in the lab all the time, but… just wasn't as good at that, and was pushed into profiling-field-work until he could cling to "nope I'm just a teacher" for as long as he did.)

He is also … twitching a lot in my head when he sees people call Lecter "crazy." Which is actually against book canon, but the show!version in my head is just thinking "no, I'm the one with mental illness, and that's what he used to screw me over." So, I'm not sure if this is a bias exactly, but he definitely has or has developed a sensitivity concerning... I guess I'll use neuro-divergence, and taking advantage of people who are "psychologically disadvantaged." Even if he's not really as able to act on his own behalf concerning that.


Katara had some pretty deep issues with the Fire Nations and firebenders in general that it took a long time to really unseat, even after a point when she had firebender friends or allies. It was really weird for her to see Aang not share these prejudices at all, approach people from the Fire Nation like they were just totally normal people and not the genocidal monsters who killed all his people and her mother. And of course, that's a terribly broad generalization that she had to unlearn, but that was... definitely a process.

Sexism is also pretty entrenched in Water Tribe culture, though to a lesser extent in the South than in the North, but Katara's pretty much been fight-the-patriarchy from the off. The fact that an entire generation pretty much left their village, including most of the male presence, leaving her to pretty much take charge of its survival, likely contributed to that. That concept of what a "man" should be certainly never helped her, and of course, in a time of war, suddenly all those limitations that might have otherwise been imposed on her didn't seem so important anymore.
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[personal profile] last_kallig 2014-06-20 03:56 pm (UTC)(link)
Ibani is solidly in favor of an Empire style of government, which would make characters and people from more democratic eras side-eye her a lot. The problem with the Empire, as she sees it, is that the Sith tend to be unstable, paranoid, assholes and they're the ones currently in charge. The strong and the powerful running things is just the way of the universe, but those who are strong and powerful should make things BETTER for everyone rather than just using the system for their own benefit.

And the Empire tends to consider the Republic to be "genocidal hypocrites" to quote Elara Dorne from Ibani's canon, so I imagine her view of Republic government officials is not flattering at all.
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[personal profile] nocarename 2014-06-20 06:01 pm (UTC)(link)
So, not so much against inequality but she'd like some competence at the top? Maybe a little bit of long term planning? Is that really too much to ask for?
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[personal profile] street_sparrow 2014-06-20 03:59 pm (UTC)(link)
The ones with interesting answers:

Ichabod is canonically exceptionally open-minded for his time period. Anti-slavery, anti-arranged marriage, believes women should be allowed to work outside the home if they want to - women voting is a bit much, but not even all men had the vote in his time, it's a process. He does sometimes accidentally come across as racist, but he's horrified and the first to apologise if it happens.

Gavroche still has a thing about the idle rich - and he does sometimes unconsciously assume rich means idle until he's shown otherwise, sort of a reverse classism. He might be adopted nobility and have some power of his own now, but he wouldn't even think of sitting on his laurels. If you have power, money, privilege and don't try to use it to make life better for those who don't, he despises you. He's the last person to judge anyone on what they are in terms of race or gender, but what they do... yes. Attitude to homosexuality is much the same as Enjolras'.

Nancy is English and from the 1940s. She's secretly in favour of more rights for women, while trying not to attract attention to herself and her band of waifs, but she'd look at people of colour with suspicion until she knows them on an individual basis, and homosexuality to her mind is unnatural and wrong.

Giovanni is 18th-century and has the attitudes of the time as far as he thinks about them, which isn't much. He does give some thought to women's rights because Francesca talks about it so much, and he's sort of vaguely in favour, but only because she wants him to be. He will eventually write on the subject with a bit more conviction.
Edited 2014-06-21 00:46 (UTC)
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[personal profile] ceitfianna 2014-06-20 07:35 pm (UTC)(link)
This is an interesting one and shows up partly why I love playing characters from other times, their viewpoints are different.

When Will first entered, he had a lot of the sexism and homophobia of his time, seven years in Milliways has cured him of a lot of it, but he still has issues. One of them is a strong belief in a kind of classism, that some people are meant to rule and others to serve and he sees himself as one who serves. Also he has a prejudice against unknown lords and those who serve the law, he tends to be nervous around them until he knows them.

Charles is immensely privileged but he also has his telepathy which means he knows how alike people are within their own heads and how many people feel they don't fit. It puts him in an interesting position for his time, he's better about sexism and racism than some of his peers but he also doesn't stop to think very often since he trusts in what he senses and knows. A way this comes through that I find interesting is that he's far more open about being a mutant in Milliways than bisexual because he knows what the bigotry looks like. Someone can be arrested, beaten, lose all of their position if they're gay, while what it means to be open and mutant isn't as yet clear. He wants to believe the best in people as he knows how alike we all are but he knows how hatred can work and also he likes to make pronouncements and decide for other people.

Ivan is from a time when people comfortably alter their bodies and sexes yet Barrayar is more old fashioned than a lot of the galaxy. He reflects many of these views and he has to adjust to differences, he has some sexist and homophobic views but he doesn't act on them very often. He's too well trained for that, but he will hesitate or say something stupid. While he's far more conscious of being a High Vor and a Vorpatril, he watches himself in terms of not standing out too much in terms of class issues. Though some of that is he wants people to not look at him and go, oh, he could be Emperor with our backing.

Moist is from a world with dwarfs, vampires, trolls, werewolves and other assorted magical creatures. Racism and sexism don't really exist that much but he has a personal dislike for werewolves and vampires due to growing up in Uberwald.

William is one of my worst for this because of his time though due to his place they're not as bad as they could be. To him women are better in the home but that also means that they're strong and fighters too, most of the women he knows in Arizona know how to stand up and do what needs to be done. He's just aware that being a lady is important, as by the same token he should be a gentleman and knows he's not. His racism is there but not awful, his father fought for the Union so he knows its important for everyone to be free. Black cowboys were common in his time, but he's a little more wary of people of Asian origin as they tend to work for the railroad and not be a part of his normal life. It doesn't come out much in Milliways because he kind of has an idea that everything in Milliways is different and that most of what he knows is outdated. He's trying but he's not perfect and he also has some classism. Not exactly reverse or anything but he knows the gap between him and people he meets in terms of money and education, which makes him feel inferior and sometimes jealous.

Sameth's main prejudice stems from being a prince, its an odd sort of classism since his parents worked with him and Ellimere to understand what it took to run the kingdom by doing Perspective. That meant that they had to do various jobs around the castle so they wouldn't look down on anyone but he also attended Somersby, a fancy boarding school in Ancelstierre. He forgets at times how privileged he is but in Milliways he isn't comfortable mentioning his role. Since he knows that he's different, so he has an arrogance, he doesn't even feel. Also he's uncomfortable around those who are dead as he feels like they shouldn't be walking around and doesn't know what to do.

Jane is kind of like Cosette but not as sheltered in that she has some of the biases of her time while pushing against others of them. She believes women should be able to do more, doesn't approve of arranged marriages but is uncomfortable around people who are gay or lesbian. Milliways has helped her to not be rude to them but she feels unsure of herself and she has some definite ideas about people she sees as lazy or those who take advantage of others or their position in society.

Demeter doesn't have too many prejudices other than a large one against people who should be dead but aren't. She prefers the living and she is more comfortable with the Milliways' dead but most of that's a reflection of her hatred of Hades and how she's a goddess of life.

Tumnus is unsure of himself around witches because of the White Witch, but otherwise doesn't have many prejudices.

The Pirate King has strange ideas about women, he likes a woman who can stand and fight beside him like Ruth, but he also wants a wife to stay at home.
Edited 2014-06-20 19:42 (UTC)
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[personal profile] i_am_your_host 2014-06-20 07:45 pm (UTC)(link)
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[personal profile] minkhollow 2014-06-20 08:51 pm (UTC)(link)
Cata and Sam are not great fans of magic, or of people who claim to be doing something for the greater good. (Dumbledore is high on the list of people they should never meet; other than the beard he would bear an uncomfortable similarity to Mizzamir.) Also don't tell them their profession shouldn't exist - if it doesn't in your world, fine, but it does in theirs.

Claudia's main bias is against people who mean the Warehouse harm.

Apollo thinks mortals are just so cute sometimes. He knows better than to underestimate them by now, but... their lives are so short, even his kids' lives.

Imp is still not really comfortable around trolls, though he does a bit better with dwarfs. Susan put him off underestimating women rather thoroughly. XD

Regulus isn't as bad as his pure-canon self, but he does tend to disdain Muggles if he's not thinking. He's aware of the power and responsibility his family has, but he does have a tendency to not always realise some people can't just buy a new thing when the old thing breaks.

Red doesn't understand why magic would be anything other than your last resort, given the high cost of using it. Besides, the magic users she knows the most about are... Regina and Rumpelstiltskin. It's a stereotype that reinforces itself.

Woolly... well, the thing about the Warehouse is they hire the best people for the job, regardless of background. If he carried many major prejudices with him, working for the Warehouse, especially working with Helena, got those right out of him.

Except for the fact that he thinks Christians are weird. That one's too ingrained to budge; he's just generally polite enough to never mention it.
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[personal profile] never_shall_yield 2014-06-20 09:32 pm (UTC)(link)
I so want to answer this, but I've just spent the better part of 48 hours banging out a metric fuckton of Uni work. But now I'm done for a few weeks! So I'll just say:

Javert - PREJUDICES. YES INDEED. ALL OF THEM. Sort of. It's more complicated than that. And he holds most of them against himself too, so...that doesn't actually make it better, just spreads the ick a bit further.

....no, I'm braindead. That's as far as I'm going. Coffee and biscuits and MOAR FOOTBALL is the order of the day.
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[personal profile] thekidfrombrooklyn 2014-06-21 01:01 am (UTC)(link)
Steve doesn't like bullies. Basically, anyone in a position of power who abuses that power is going to get a punch in the jaw.

...that's all I got. Work mrgh.
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[personal profile] runningred 2014-06-21 05:28 am (UTC)(link)
Jay is pretty open minded about most things but he has a really thing about people hurting kids. Anything from domestic violence to child prostitution, his own history makes him really nasty towards anyone who'd raise a hand to a child.

Olivier is open minded but there's a lot he doesn't know about and these for needs time to come to terms with. He dislikes Italians as a matter of course but mostly because an Italian trader was very rude to him mother once.

David has a lot of biases but he works very hard to keep them hidden. The person he hates most however is himself.

Minx has become intolerant of shallow people, possibly because of all the time she spends pretending to be one.
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[personal profile] tire_moi_mes_bottes 2014-06-21 02:04 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh man I know I'm out of town and not even supposed to be screwing around online but I wanted to answer this one because--yeah, sometimes Bossuet's schtick is weird sex(ist) humor that makes me a little uncomfortable. Women totally cheat on guys all the time, love is crazy, amirite, etc. On a personal actually-talking-to-people level he gets along with women just fine (...in a 19th-century kind of way), but at the same time he's kind of a very weird frat boy. And hell, he's from the 19th century. 1830s France has different thoughts about race and religion and class and disability from, say, 2000s USA, but that's another area where I sometimes want to cringe away from his canon.

Canonically he and his super-duper bestest eat-together-sleep-together-do-everything-together friend have the same girlfriend "to some extent;" other people's personal household arrangements are not about to surprise Bossuet.

He has strong political views.

ALL THAT SAID, seriously, OOC not-making-other-people-miserable trumps IC analysis of 19th-c gender relations, etc. If the dick jokes, etc., are bugging you, seriously let me know?
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[personal profile] ceitfianna 2014-06-21 11:55 pm (UTC)(link)
A very weird frat boy is a fantastic description and really makes me think of Nicholas Sayre and Sameth who would never count as frat boys but also would fit in well with the Amis.

Not in their politics as Sam's a prince and Nick's the uncle of a government minister but in terms of how they act. They play sports and tinker with everything they find and have their own way of doing everything.
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[personal profile] fairy_fixit 2014-06-22 01:41 am (UTC)(link)
Answering way late just because answering this would be a good thing.

Amascut is not the protagonist so she has easily spotted flaws. But, yeah, she is speciesist, but against pretty much all species. Especially against cats, obviously, but less so with humans and scabarites. Humans and scabarites are useful at least. I don't know if her speciesism benefits anyone or even if she technically even has a species. God in that canon is a status, not species. I guess her father's species might count, or maybe her mother's would.

I guess that would make her classist as well, but it is not like she treats other gods with any respect.

Fairy Fixit the more I play her, the more anti-theist she is turning for some reason. At first I was joking about her secretly supporting the Godless faction, but now... hmm...
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[personal profile] hey35andholding 2014-06-23 08:02 am (UTC)(link)
Clementine: As I've said - has no tolerance for prudity. She has a lot of stereotype-related prejudices in canon.

Dixie: Only has them against criminals. Can't kid a kidder.

Juliet: Nope, tries to be the nicest person in the world.

Eponine: Has experienced both ends of this, and tries not to be prejudiced herself.

Pinkie: TOLERANCE AND FRIENDSHIP ARE MAGIC.