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Jack ([personal profile] thisisnotajournal) wrote in [community profile] ways_back_room2015-08-19 07:00 am
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How is - or was - your pup's relationship with their parents? Did the quality of this relationship influence them in later life?
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[personal profile] cameoflage 2015-08-19 06:35 am (UTC)(link)
Aradia was raised by a loving kangaroo-ram-thingy, who was unfortunately blown up along with Aradia and Aradia's hive as part of a cycle of revenge before the trolls played Sgrub. So she's an orphan. So is everyone else who played Sgrub, though, which is attributed to Karkat giving himself a computer virus that cursed him and everyone he knew. It also seems to be a Sburb thing, since the only human player who's hung onto a living parent so far is Jane Crocker; everyone else's guardians died either years before they played the game, after entering the Medium, or (in the case of Dirk Strider and Roxy Lalonde) centuries before they were born.

Dr Thurlow had a strained relationship with their family on the Surface because their parents didn't really see them for who they were and were also quite overbearing. They rarely write, and can't actually visit because they've been changed too much by the Neath (if they tried, the sunlight would likely kill them).
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[personal profile] dejah_thoris 2015-08-19 07:06 am (UTC)(link)
Dejah's mother died when she was very young. She hasn't told me the specifics, but I suspect it was an illness brought about by the Thern. I suspect that's why she hasn't told me the specifics. She was her father's only child and treasured as such. She and her father don't always see eye to eye, but they are very, very close. She respects his counsel, even if she doesn't always follow it. He respects that her ability to lead has far surpassed his own, and he willingly ceded his position as Jeddak to her. It was possibly the most bloodless change of power in the history of Helium. (Which I suspect is far more like Rome than Dejah would ever like to admit.)

I do get the sense that Dejah's grandmother was a guiding influence in her life, but again, I don't have specifics. Perhaps she found her diaries? I don't know. Something for future exploration.
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[personal profile] hey35andholding 2015-08-19 07:50 am (UTC)(link)
Clem: Poor unto abusive, and she became a cop as an almost reaction to her mother's lifestyle. Which is ironic because Clem's lifestyle is even more irreverent.

Dixie: She had numerous sets of parents, and thinks fondly of most of them. The rapid parental turnovers have shaped her journeywoman life.

Juliet: Has a stepfather and a father whom are equally difficult. Mom was the rock who held the family together, though she was closer to her brother.

Eponine: Both parents are somewhat abusive and controlling, and conpeople to boot. Like Juliet, her goal is to be less like them.

Pinkie: Fond but distant? We don't get to see Pinkie with the Pies a ton before she decides to leave and spread joy whence she goes.
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[personal profile] harryhotspur 2015-08-19 09:07 am (UTC)(link)
Funnily, Arabella and Viola's mothers are both unmentioned, their fathers both died when they were children, and they grew up with their brothers.

Hotspur's dad has a lot of respect for his son's military ability! And not a lot for anything else about him. And then is confused about why his kid is a belligerent jerk.
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[personal profile] tu_vas_triompher 2015-08-19 06:36 pm (UTC)(link)
Henry IV, pt 1: Daddy Issues

(Henry IV, pt 2: More Daddy Issues)

oh god i ran into something that mentioned historical-harry-hotspur's first battle was when he was twelve :(
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[personal profile] harryhotspur 2015-08-19 09:09 pm (UTC)(link)
I mean, and there's the whole "ditching the battle where your son is badly outnumbered and ultimately killed" thing.
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[personal profile] tu_vas_triompher 2015-08-19 09:13 pm (UTC)(link)
excuse you he was feeling really crummy that day and it would have been just silly to send his forces with someone else
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[personal profile] harryhotspur 2015-08-19 09:14 pm (UTC)(link)
he felt really bad about it after!!
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[personal profile] tu_vas_triompher 2015-08-19 09:36 pm (UTC)(link)
I bet Modern AU Northumberland never showed up to soccer games either.
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[personal profile] harryhotspur 2015-08-19 09:38 pm (UTC)(link)
he was the coach for a while but then when harry started getting really into it and had proper coaches he weirdly like always had a work thing
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[personal profile] nameoftheleu 2015-08-19 09:10 am (UTC)(link)
Spider was technically okay for a while, but then he was sent away, split by magic so that he and Fat Charlie went their separate ways. He always got along with Mr. Nancy, of course, but he missed seeing him, what with being banished and all. He was around for the funeral and after - Wine, Women, and Song! - of course. Not entirely good with mom, unfortunately. Chip off the old block, him.

Crypto doesn't really have a dad, being a series of Furon clones, which may explain why he's such a rebellious character. 'Mom' never helped, as she was his clone module. Only 'Pox has been any sort of guiding force in his life and, frankly, he didn't listen to him that much. The various clones I use are more influenced by events than parents.

Welman Matrix... No word on what HIS folks were like, though I imagine its the case of him being a file-smart sort of awkward kid with good parenting mostly, but one of those cases where dad says "You should go out more, Share with the other Sprites", but he's more comfortable scanning information, computing theorums. his mother would be more doting and understanding, perhaps. I don't know. I call upon my fellow Reboot muns to help me out.

The Red Panda is absolutely flipping rich, possibly the most ridiculously-wealthy Canadian around, certainly in Toronto. He really does NOT like his parents, though. His wealth made him feel useless because he didn't have to do anything with his life, and the means by which this wealth was obtained was dirtier than the weapons-selling motif of Stark Industries. Likely, his parents influenced Gus to become his alter-ego, plus his understandable hatred of crime and preying upon the innocent. And even though he originally started this all 'on a lark', his parents are a formidable presence, even while long-gone.

Which just leaves is with Inspector Clouseau, whose early life was outlined in Trail of the Pink Panther. It would be fairer to say that poor Jacques' rise to inspectorship had more to do with his own personal obsessions with justice and heroism - which didn't work out well as a kid - than his folks. They just sighed and tried to understand, deal with this issue. Mostly, he persued this dream himself, and only his stubborn determination got him there, for good or for ill. The funny thing is, for all his doofusness, he isn't bad. He's just a little slow, clumsy, over-exciteable, clumsy, forgetful, and clumsy.
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[personal profile] sdelmonte 2015-08-19 12:07 pm (UTC)(link)
Knox has an almost adversarial relationship with his father, who is a grumpy and unhappy old man (to give a sense of him, my PB for him was Burgess Meredith circa Rocky). They have never gotten along, and Knox hasn't seen him, or his mother, in years. He gets along okay with said mother, but she dotes on his other brother, the doctor.

Kirk took inspiration from his father, who I decided was not a lifer in Starfleet and who didn't live to see Jim go to the academy. They got along very well, but Jim was also very close to his mother, even if he rarely saw her.

Cyborg honors his late mother by being the best person he can be. He misses her. He is not close to his dad in the least, though that might change soon as his dad seems to be mellowing with age.

I haven't really thought through Alec's relationship with the Hollands. I think they were rural residents, and that Alec was otherworldly even as a boy and never felt all that connected with them. I also suspect that they passed away before Alec's adventures began.

Charlie is a foundling. The lack of any knowledge as to his true identity is at the core of all his neuroses.
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[personal profile] 1nv1nc1ble 2015-08-19 12:56 pm (UTC)(link)
"NOT Answering this question."

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[personal profile] 2goodarms 2015-08-19 01:22 pm (UTC)(link)
Curtis' parents died during the freeze. Like almost everyone in the tail, he was the only member of his family to make it onto the train. Before that, though, he had a pretty stable home life -- they cared about him, he thought they were a little overbearing but loved them anyway, nothing too remarkable.

I actually wrote fic for last year's Yuletide that I've ended up folding into my personal Milli-headcanon, re: Curtis' home life and how he -- and others -- got on the train. So there's that!
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[personal profile] le_centre 2015-08-19 01:35 pm (UTC)(link)
Gene - complicated, given that his mother in canon is probably a construct of his own mind. He seems to care about her in the one mention she gets, but...his world isn't real, so. And his dad was violent and abusive, so lets assume things there weren't great.

Javert - ahaha.He was born in jail to a convict father and a fortune-teller mother...how well do we think Javert likes them? It's explicitly stated that he would have turned his own mother in for breaking her parole. He has an 'inexpressible hatred for the race of bohemians whence he was sprung'. So yeah, lets go with NOT GREAT as answer to the first question, and HELL YEAH to the second...he became a cop because he thought his birth permanently excluded him from society anyway, so he might as well guard it and be as respectable as he could.

Valjean - both parents died when he was very young, his mother from a milk fever and his father from falling out of a tree (he was a pruner). He doesn't remember much about them, and was mostly raised by his sister. Who he also remembers little of now, thanks to Toulon. :\

Courfeyrac - nothing stated in canon, except that he's from a family that had a de in their name, indicating some level of nobility/success/status. And he doesn't use the de, so I'm headcanoning that there's some tension between him and his father about his ideals and choices. His parents probably wanted him to qualify as a lawyer and come back to the south to practice, and he was all 'actually, I think I'll just stay here and die for the revolution, kthks'. I don't think he and his parents really understand each other, though they probably like each other well enough. It's quite hard not to like Courfeyrac.

Bruce Wayne - ahaha. No comment needed?

Bruce Banner - welllll. If we go with comic book canon, his dad murdered his mother and ended up in an asylum, right? And then Bruce accidentally killed him in a temper one day? Sooo again, NOT GREAT, and uh YES, I should say some of that repressed anger has something to do with what happened later. I'm still vagueing on this in Milli-land however, in case MCU throws some new info into the mix at some point.

Pearly Soames - well, his dad opened up his face with a broken bottle to give him his scar, so I'm going to say it's another bad relationship. (I often wonder if I pick these guys with a subconscious knowledge of bad childhoods...but then I remember it's a really easy way for characters to be given motivations in later life, so yeah, I'll just blame writers in general.)

Jim Moriarty - absolutely no idea. He's a really hard pup to think of even having parents. Just like Sherlock actually, because if we hadn't seen his on screen it would be so easy to imagine them as older versions of himself and Mycroft. Moriarty's I can imagine as being quite similar to Sherlock's - smart, but decent - and wondering just what the hell they created as their boy grew up. On the other hand, they could be raving lunatics, or he could be an orphan or anything.
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[personal profile] whatisastiles 2015-08-19 06:07 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, did something happen to Bruce Wayne's parents? I can't remember ;)
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[personal profile] le_centre 2015-08-19 06:41 pm (UTC)(link)
Well I heard this rumour, but, y'know. Hearsay. :D
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[personal profile] camwyn 2015-08-19 01:57 pm (UTC)(link)
Gordon's parents are pure Millicanon. His mother was a Seattle-King County family court judge; his father was an airline pilot. They both loved their kids, but Dad was of the belief that not fussing over what he thought of his kids or what other people thought of them was the best way to create kids that didn't let other people's opinions influence them (see this Conversations With Dead People post), and Mom... was so busy with work that it kinda turned into a cobbler's-kids-have-no-shoes situation. It did produce some decently independent kids, but Gordon had a hell of a time really relating to other humans, or even talking to them, for quite a while.

Shephard's parents are also pure Millicanon. Albert had a satellite TV repair and installation business; Katie was a stay-at-home mom and part-time beekeeper. They got on really well with all their kids, including Adrian, who was third of five total and second of three boys. Shephard is still something of a momma's boy in some regards and tends to be more respectful towards women in general than men, as well as intimidated by angry women of authority, thanks to Momma. But it's all good as far as he's concerned.

I don't really know much about Stacker's parents or his relationship with them except that his dad was an unspecified laborer who was supposedly murdered when Stacker was twelve, at which point the boy proceeded to find the nightclub belonging to the guy who did it, burn the club to the ground, and attempt bodily assault upon the man in question. So he was probably pretty attached to his dad all things considered. Mom was supposedly a club performer- I'm going with singer- and that is pretty much all we know about her. He seems to be dead set on privacy about his personal life wherever possible, and I can't tell whether his concerted attempts at being a good, culturally acceptable father to Mako are based on emulating his parents' example or trying to avoid their mistakes.

Ellen's mom lived just long enough to name her and then died. FO3 claims it was cardiac arrest, but given that we hear this coming from her husband while she is calling out James' name in a gaspy but still audible tone, I have my doubts. (My suspicion is that the birth was a lot messier and more horrendously crazy than the FO3 opening sequence really shows, and that James was so frazzled by the goings-on that he made an incorrect diagnosis, and moreover that Madison Li, who was also in attendance, opted not to correct him because the two of them had been an Item before James got Catherine pregnant and, well... it's all a bit soap opera in my head.) Ellen kind of adored her dad growing up, and then got angrier and angrier at him after the events of canon unfolded. She's... done her best to forgive him, but at this point she's really glad she didn't test well enough for medicine or science as a career, because then she'd have had to work with her father and that just wouldn't do at all. She wonders sometimes whether her mother would approve of her going Brotherhood of Steel, though.

Fawkes does not remember anything before the FEV, let alone his parents.

I don't know what El Santo's parents were like or what he thought of them. I think he may have been an orphan raised by nuns and that he respected them greatly and appreciated their moral guidance.

Edward Kenway's parents were farm workers and he wanted to be a hell of a lot more impressive of a person than anyone toiling on another man's sheep farm could ever be, so.

Varric's greatest fear is canonically turning into his parents, according to DA:I. They must have been fairly ordinary and restrained people.

Wee Mad Arthur was adopted after gnomes found him next to a dead bird of prey; he'd managed to kill it despite being maybe a few days old. They tried to raise him well and with their traditional trades but eventually it became clear that that just wasn't going to work. He appreciates what his adoptive family did, but they just... weren't the right ones for him.
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[personal profile] for_good_taste 2015-08-19 02:10 pm (UTC)(link)
Sasha's mother died when he was very young. He never really knew her, and his father refused to talk about her. This bothered him so much that one of the first things he did with his psychic powers, once they manifested, was forcibly mind-probe his father to try to find out what she was like and why he wouldn't talk about her.

What he got was, erm, his father's memories of sex with his late wife.

This was so traumatic that he ran away from home and never went back. It's responsible for his extremely repressed personality, and for his conviction that everyone with psychic powers needs and deserves proper training.

(Yes, this is all canon. Seriously.)
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[personal profile] bjornwilde 2015-08-19 03:07 pm (UTC)(link)
Fair warning, Star Wars canon hates parents...
Ahsoka doesn't remember her birth parents. She was accepted to the Jedi Order when she was very young, like 3 or 4 if togruta develop as humans do. But wasn't she the cutest little thing?

As to her two dads, aka Anakin and Obi-Wan, I think she had a very good relationship with them. They allowed her room to grow, even if Anakin didn't always present the best example.

Asajj never knew her mother, having been traded to a slaver to ensure the Nightsisters' safety. This occurred even younger than Ahsoka, I would guess around 2 years old, if the flashback is anything to go on. Her adoptive dad, Ky Narec, was pretty cool and just the influence she needed. Too bad he got dead. (She was kind of a creepy kid, tbh.)

Quinlan had a great and loving relationship with both his parents. Then Tholme came along and pegged him as being force sensitive. His parents agreed to have him raised by the Jedi and were even proud of it, but the matriarch of his clan, his great aunt, decided Quin was for Kiffar. She killed his parents and then tried to "ruin" him for the Jedi by having him read his parents death via psychometry. It didn't work but she's still a bitch for trying.

Moving on...
Selina loves her mother deeply and has a great relationship with her. And will continue to do so once her mom gets back from where ever it is she's hiding. (Selina may be living in denial about her mother's ability to come back, i.e. mom may be dead. Canon is vague.)

Hank would have a great relationship with his parents if he didn't have anxiety about his mutation. He has hidden it from them and keeping secrets that big tend to build walls.

Rollo's dad cared deeply for him but I think his mother liked Ragnar more. I don't know why but I like the idea of Rollo's jealousy starting very early on. His dad was his hero and model for how a man should be.

Izana has a very good relationship with the person who is identified as their grandmother. They are loving towards each other and seem to care a lot about each other. They also seem to be very good friends and Izana confides in her at least a few times in canon. No mention is made of Izana's parents and I suspect that Izana is either a clone of her grandmother or engineered from her grandmother's DNA.

Briareus is an orphan. His first adoptive dad used him as a means to cause insurrection within Greece via terrorist activity. His second taught him to be a good soldier and to have something to believe in.

Luidaeg....hahhaha....bad. I think she loved her mom, but her family life if bonkers. I could add details but spoilers. She especially hates her step-mom and step-sisters. I think she loves her dad.

I'll have to think about Sam.
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[personal profile] souffle_girlek 2015-08-19 03:19 pm (UTC)(link)
Oswin adores her mum, leaving a whole audio diary for her while stuck on the Asylum. It's too bad none of that diary is actually leaving the planet. >.> She doesn't mention her dad, and I suspect he's been out of the picture for a while.

Katya has no concrete memory of her parents - she was taken too young. If anything, her boss was her father figure... which really wasn't a wise choice, no.

Jemma is... close-ish to her parents? I think they just weren't prepared to deal with the force of nature that was a painfully precocious bebe Jemma, and that's put a bit of distance between them and her.

Glorfindel is quite thoroughly estranged from his parents. They were close while growing up, and they were pleased when he found a place with Turgon... and were absolutely livid when he chose his loyalty to Turgon over staying with them and obeying the Valar. He's not hopeful for a reconciliation.

William was the darling of his mother, and sort of a 'oh, right, we have another boy-child, what the heck are we going to do with this one' in a vaguely proudly paternal sort of way to his father. Mrs. Blakeney was not especially pleased when her tiny boy was put on a navy ship, and Captain Aubrey was quite right to dread writing to the woman to tell her about William's injuries. It's left William with a fair sense of his own importance or lack thereof in certain circles, and the firm knowledge that he is absolutely worthy in at least one person's eyes. He's also very sure he's never going to tell his mum at least half of what he gets up to on board ship. Nope.

Ace's ferocious hatred of her parents, especially her mum, is ground well traveled.

Sam... she loves her parents, she does, but between her mum's 'nerves' and her father's rather strict expectations of what any daughter of his ought to be doing while she was growing up, she's overjoyed to be living in a different city than them. Even if she only got this chance because of a world war.

Camille loves her maman, which is good since the woman lives in the same town she does, and has the best bar on the whole island. Her father ran out on them when she was young, so she isn't in a hurry to ever see him again.

Bones... oh, the amount of sheer guilt Bones has surrounding his father could fill volumes. Or a movie, it could do that too. >.>
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[personal profile] have_no_mercy 2015-08-19 04:12 pm (UTC)(link)
Tess was given up for adoption by Lionel Luthor when she was five. The orphanage was run by aliens (so not joking) and they erased her memory of her life before her adoption by the Mercers, who lived in rural Louisiana. Daddy Mercer was brutally abusive and Tess left at 15, never going back or keeping contact.

She found out she was adopted about six years ago. She's glad they're all dead (either by canon or headcanon) because she wants nothing to do with any of these people ever again.
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[personal profile] genarti 2015-08-19 04:35 pm (UTC)(link)
Enjolras's mother died when he was a child. He loved her a lot, but he never really knew her when he was old enough to see her as a person instead of Mom Who Is Flawless Because Mom. He was close to his father, who's very like him in personality, so between that and general cultural mores, their relationship contains not so much nurturing as earnest impassioned discussion of politics. Absolutely both of them influenced him, but his father more. (This is all 100% Millicanon, because all canon says about his family is that they're rich and from somewhere in the south. I wrote a fic about it one time.)

Cosette... aheh. Okay, well, there's a list:
- her biological father is a jerk who abandoned them when she was a toddler. She has no memory of him. The fact that he left her mother high and dry has completely shaped Cosette's life, but her nonexistent relationship didn't.
- her mother, Fantine, loved her utterly, and this also completely shaped Cosette's life. But for financial reasons she had to leave Cosette with strangers for childcare while she went back to work in her hometown. This would've worked out okay (and wasn't an uncommon arrangement) if Fantine didn't have the bad luck to pick a horrible, abusive couple who drove her into poverty (and ultimately, death) by insisting on more and more money while abusing Cosette. Cosette met her once at Milliways, but otherwise has no real memory of her. Valjean has told her vaguely that Fantine was a saint, but not, you know, actual details about anything.
- the Thénardiers are no kind of parents, but they did control her upbringing for about six years. She's repressed the memory of them now. As a child, she was utterly terrified of both of them.
- Valjean is her father in every way that counts. They're very very close (to the point of unhealthiness, especially for Valjean), he's the only parent she remembers, and she loves him very dearly. He'd do absolutely anything for her. Yes, this has influenced her!
- Fauchelevent, her uncle, whom she currently has been told is her biological father as part of the legal fiction Valjean drew up so that Cosette couldn't possibly be revealed as the daughter of a convict or the daughter of an unwed prostitute. (He's not actually her uncle -- he took Valjean in and said THIS IS MY BROTHER, HE'LL HELP ME WITH THE CONVENT'S GARDENS, MOTHER SUPERIOR -- but Cosette doesn't know that.)
- and all of this shows another thing that's influenced her life: if anything about her background became known, it would legitimately ruin her. Less so now that she's respectably married, but still, a lot of that would depend on how her husband took it. Cosette doesn't know anything about this either, but it's certainly influenced how Valjean's handled a lot of things.

Okay so that was a lot. On to briefer subjects!

Thor's parents are his king and queen, which means that family and fealty are all tangled up together. He loves them, and he's very close to them, and there's a lot of complicated and occasionally dysfunctional stuff going on, mostly because Odin is a manipulative lying jerk. (Thor will take deep, deep offense if you tell him this. It's true, though.) Thor is closest to their father; Loki is/was closest to their mother; this affects the heck out of family dynamics, especially in a patriarchal society. I'm gonna go ahead and say that Thor's family relationships have influenced his later life, yes.

Kazul: I have NO IDEA. She has grandchildren she's fond of, so clearly parent(s) are a thing in dragon society, though! I'm tentatively headcanoning that dragons don't really do romance or pair-bonding, though; they reproduce for children, and then everybody amiably goes their separate ways, although possibly then the dragonlets get raised by both parents (and/or any close friends...?) in a shared custody kind of deal. Anyway, I'm going to say she knew her parents, and liked them perfectly well in an undramatic way, and they're probably a few centuries dead but I reserve the right to change my mind and say at least one of them is still living a happily ancient life in the dragon equivalent of Florida.

Trowa was a war orphan. He has no memory of his parents. (But they were in the circus, which he doesn't consciously remember but which did definitely influence him to join one in canon, and that affected a lot of his later life.) The closest he had to a parent was the captain of his mercenary squad, whom he was close to until it got really complicated by Trowa, uh, killing a bunch of the other mercenaries for what may or may not have been good reason. Anyway the captain's dead! I gave them a Conversations With Dead People talk one time.

River, ha. Her parents gave her all kinds of opportunities, and loved her, and also failed her terribly when she was 14 by choosing to believe that the Academy was just fine and Simon was falling into delusional paranoia about his sister's safety. That's the short version of something more complicated, but -- basically, her relationship with them up till age 14 was that of a very bright child whose parents can give her more opportunities and encouragement than real comprehension, and afterwards was enormously fraught and took several years to piece back into anything that could even be called a relationship.
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[personal profile] 2goodarms 2015-08-19 04:53 pm (UTC)(link)
The companion novel to Les Mis: Cosette Has Two Mommies (and Four Daddies).

:D?
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[personal profile] genarti 2015-08-19 04:58 pm (UTC)(link)
IT'S SO TRUE.

(Cosette's other mommy is probably France. *solemn*)
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[personal profile] clayforthedevil 2015-08-19 05:23 pm (UTC)(link)
Can Cosette's mom be France when Cosette is France though?
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[personal profile] genarti 2015-08-19 05:26 pm (UTC)(link)
Come on, Pilf, EVERYBODY CAN BE FRANCE.
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[personal profile] clayforthedevil 2015-08-19 05:28 pm (UTC)(link)
(perfect icon is perfect for that tag)

and oh gad, you're right. That's...that's actually a main theme of the book.

Les Miserables: Cosette is France and So Can You
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[personal profile] le_centre 2015-08-19 04:55 pm (UTC)(link)
Valjean dares Marius to take it any other way than he should. He bloody dares him.

*would haunt that kid forever if the deathbed confession got used against her*

(So glad we are fixing this. SO GLAD.)
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[personal profile] genarti 2015-08-19 04:59 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't actually think he would, after getting slapped in the face with all of that! But YEAH. I TOO AM SO GLAD WE HAVE PLANS.
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[personal profile] le_centre 2015-08-19 05:03 pm (UTC)(link)
Nah, me either. BUT JUST IN CASE, MARIUS. VALJEAN IS WATCHING YOU.
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[personal profile] inlovewithwords 2015-08-19 06:21 pm (UTC)(link)
My brain just imagined a Retired-to-Florida Jewish Mother in dragon form.

Just so you know.
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[personal profile] street_sparrow 2015-08-19 05:29 pm (UTC)(link)
Athelstan - lost his parents and all his siblings to an epidemic when he was very young and barely remembers them.

Giovanni - his father is dead but there's no reason to think they didn't get along well, and he loves his mother very much.

Michael Carpenter - his parents may or may not have passed away and no siblings have been mentioned, but everything about him in canon suggests he was from a large and loving family.

Jonathan Levinson - his parents were kind of distant but not uncaring. The kind who didn't know what was going on in his life until it was shoved in their faces by him trying to shoot himself. He probably talks to them a few times a year now, and they don't know he was ever dead.

Nancy (Doctor Who) - ...well, her parents kicked her out for being pregnant out of wedlock and now she alternates between telling people the truth and telling people they're dead, depending how bitter she feels that day, so not so great?

Cadfael - his parents have almost certainly died of natural causes by his point in canon. He had nothing against them but I don't think they had much contact after he left home, long-distance communication not being an easy thing.

Gavroche - If you take Tom and Door as his parents, their relationship is great! Monsieur and Madame... well, he kind of understands them - or at least understands Madame - at the same time as hating them and wanting to never be anything like them. (This is not a conflict with him helping break his father out of prison, because family is family and 19th century prisons were hellholes.) And now he's just found out Madame sold his two little brothers to a near-stranger and they ended up on the streets as well...

Ichabod - wishes he'd been able to reconcile with his father after switching sides in the war, but never did, and now his father's been dead for about two hundred years.

Norrington - not sure about his mother. He cared enough about his father's opinion to specifically ask Merriman Lyon to get word to him that he was pardoned and his good name restored, but I don't think he really thinks about his family much now.
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[personal profile] mighty_avenger 2015-08-19 05:56 pm (UTC)(link)
Ahahahahahahhaha *cries*

Awhile back there was a whole thing with Carol and Rogue and Carol lost all memories of her parents. Charles Xavier helped her get her memories back, but she had no emotion attached to them, and let's fact it she hadn't had the best relationship with her parents before that. (Her father refused to pay for her to go to college.)

Carol did visit her mother and brother after her father's deaf. It didn't go well. They... don't talk.

Carol's defiance of her father led her to the Air Force, which put her in the path to superhero-dom, but these days, it's all about found family.
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[personal profile] whatisastiles 2015-08-19 06:06 pm (UTC)(link)
*blissfully ignore all canon post S4*

Stiles is the only child of a widowed father, and the two have a loving but complicated relationship.

Stiles's mother Claudia died when he was nine (in Milli-canon, of ovarian cancer, for less sensical medical reasons in canon), and seven years later Stiles and his father have not quite recovered from the loss. It's strongly implied in canon that's Claudia was the parent who understood Stiles better and was more adept at navigating Stiles's ADHD with him.

Stiles and the Sheriff's relationship is complicated by the fact that Stiles believes he needs to protect his father from the supernatural, lies to his father pretty much constantly. Stiles desperately wants to keep his father safe, because he can't bear the thought of losing his only family, but his attempts to do so put increased strain on their relationship.

Add layers of guilt for the Sheriff, who was working a car accident while Stiles was at his mother's deathbed, and Stiles, who's carrying around a hefty does of childhood survivors guilt.

I HAVE A LOT OF STILINSKI FEELS.
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[personal profile] varadia 2015-08-19 06:29 pm (UTC)(link)
X-23 has no daddy issues, because she never had a father. I go with the earlier canon (in New X-men) of her and Logan regarding each other as siblings. Her mother -- her mother was the one that designed her in the lab, and carried her to term as a punishment from Zander Rice for making a girl Wolverine clone and not a total double for the man that killed his father (when Wolvie escaped from Weapon X when Zander was a boy.) She tried to read X nice stories -- or rather, Pinocchio -- instead of the Art of War, torture codes and rules, etc, but stopped whenever anyone was around. She might let X lean on her for a moment or two, but very quickly shoved her aside, again, when anyone was around. She smuggled X out of the lab to save her niece from a pedophile and killer, successfully getting both of them to San Francisco and saving Megan, but then brought her straight back to the Facility. When X was 15 she chose not to kill a child even while killing his parents (they were people from the Facility and her mission was to eliminate them before they talked and make it look like an accident), and smuggled out his picture in her mouth in order to try to explain to Sarah what she had done. Sarah took this as a sign that X might be a person *gasp* who could be good *further gasp*, and arranged to escape the Facility with her. She instructed X to blow up all her other clones (in incubators) before they could really leave, and Zander Rice managed to mark her with the trigger scent before she met up with X again. Then X killed her. And cried a lot once she woke up again. And then found a letter Sarah had written to her explaining everything she did and apologizing and telling her about Wolverine as a place to go.

So. Her relationship with her mother/Doctor Kinney is very . . . her memories hurt. And she doesn't really choose to call her her mother anymore. It's -- Sarah took her back after getting her out, in favor of a 'normal' child, using X as a weapon then and again when blowing up the Facility. And while that's fine and sensible, it's not what mothers are supposed to do, as far as X has seen actual mothers, so. No luck, SK. *sigh*

Raven has a remembered fondness for the woman who swallowed him down as a stone to let him be born in flesh, so as to better steal the moon, the stars, and the sun. It's like having a mom, really!

Ysalwen Surana loved her mother, but left her at the age of 5 to go to the Circle Tower after some humans attempted to convince her mom to have some fun with them in the alienage and Ysalwen brought the house down. She hasn't seen her since. It -- doesn't hurt anymore? But it did when she was five. Ysalwen is actually not sure if her mom lived or not, not quite, because Templars lie, and a dead mom might be easier to explain than a live one. Ah well.

Galadan holds a grudge against his father, a bit, because when he asked him to kill Amairgen so he could have Lisen for himself, Dad said heck no. WHY DADDY WHY. It's better now, but they are not close. Cernan is never really close to his kids, honestly. Gods have better things to do than hang with andain, yo.

Michael the Archangel loves her Father. But she is also down with Lucifer's plan to get humanity to rewrite him so they end up with a better god. And a kinder one. Maybe a more sensible and less arbitrary one, too. We'll see.

Nynaeve al'Meara loved her parents. She learned her woodcraft from her father, who was probably her favorite of the two. She was orphaned at twelve, I think, and took us Wisdom apprenticeship and duties not long after. So.

Dean Winchester has internalized the idea that Mary Winchester would have been the best and kindest and most loving mom ever, and also that she might have been a saint. Despite meeting her as a young woman and an asskicking hunter. Childhood mythology never really dies. John -- his relationship there is tougher. He loves and adores his dad, but his dad also drove Sam away, and was really really hard on Dean as a kid, making him grow up and take responsibility super-early. Dean doesn't resent him for that, it was important and useful, but -- I think sometimes he really feels it in all the ways he is shit at interacting with people. So it goes.

Wonder Woman from vol. 2 has no Dad! She has a Mom, though, Queen Hippolyta, who raised her as a Princess and gave her such a thorough grounding in how to be a woman, and a soldier and a ruler. She was largely raised by the entire Amazon community, though, because she's the only child they ever had. Well, the Themysciran Amazons. The Bana-Migdhal are a different story entirely! She has a good relationship with her mother, they both look out for each other, but also try to let each other make their own decisions. Sometimes it's easier than others. Amazons Attack never happened.
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[personal profile] tu_vas_triompher 2015-08-19 06:30 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh god, Feuilly's canonical introduction is pretty much "this guy had no parents so he decided to learn about the whole world and take it in as family." The way I've been playing that here, he hasn't had much opportunity to develop a sense of himself as an individual in a small-scale personal setting. Learn ALL the history, embrace ALL the world, yep! Not so much think about yourself and embrace these specific people on the basis of personal liking. (For millicanon purposes, he was a foundling in Lyon--conveniently there's a pretty thorough contemporary study of the Lyon foundling system--who was brought up the first few years by a perfectly decent foster mother. But, you know, one of several such kids in her care, babies and kids come and go, and anyway he had to go start work bright and early in life. He has a hard time feeling like she was his family, really. She was a good person and all, took good care of him, but--well, that was a while ago and she doesn't read and write so they don't really keep in touch.)

Lesgle's canonical introduction starts with an elaborate explanation of how his dad achieved significant upward mobility by bowing and scraping a bit to the returning Bourbon king, and got a nice civil service position out of it. And then as soon as he inherited Lesgle "had nothing better to do" than to lose the recently-acquired house and land in a bad speculation. I feel like there's definitely some tension there between Lesgle and the memory of Lesgle, Sr. Millicanonically, they got along reasonably okayish, but Lesgle likes to think his dad had less influence on him than he probably did in reality. And his mother was a saint how very dare you say anything otherwise.

The Chief of the Acme Detective Agency is the great-granddaughter of the founder of said agency, Agnes Acme, and at least once relates a story of receiving maternal wisdom when she was "a little Chieflet." Personally I like to think there's been a long line of Chiefs, mother and daughter, keeping or taking the Acme name. And/or they're all the same person, kind of a phoenix thing going on.

Gredya's canon suggests some very aggressive pack dynamics for the Wyr, and a much larger and more complicated concept of the pack than you see in wolves. I choose to think she got on fine with her parents, but she's been independent of them for several years now.

Canon doesn't give much background to Helen Ramirez, so, uh, I'm still pulling together what I want for backstory. I'm going with her being an actual widow, not just having invented a past Mr. Ramirez for the sake of convenience--married very young, widowed very young, long since out of touch with her family. They haven't been part of her life in a long time.

By some traditions Djehuty was self-created. He has a pretty good relationship with himself and I would say he has had a lot of influence on his life.

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[personal profile] harryhotspur 2015-08-19 11:35 pm (UTC)(link)
*DYING AT DJEHUTY*

fweeeeee
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[personal profile] ceitfianna 2015-08-19 06:30 pm (UTC)(link)
Will: All of this is headcanon but influenced from a variety of sources. Will loves his parents a lot, they're poor and run a stall in Nottingham. Now that he and Robin aren't outlaws, they're doing better but still prefer to be in the midst of things in Nottingham. His father's a quiet man while his mother is the stronger force of the two and from his father's side, there are definite Viking connections, a few generations back. At one point, I created a family that didn't all survive but I've pulled back from that or at least how many.

Charles: Canon isn't that helpful with his parents other than that they were rich and his mother neglectful and he had a stepfather who built a fallout shelter. I've headcanoned that his mother was English and he was mainly raised by nannies. I kind of ignore the whole issue of father and stepfather and put them into men who probably worked in the City and weren't home much or if not working due to how rich they were, spending all their time in the city. He's always searching for family and people who want him.

Quentin: He has a good relationship with his parents and is clearly still in contact with them even though he's in a blind fosterage. There are spoilers here, but he's loved and loves them.

William: A lot of how William defined himself for much of his life was in relationship to his father, because his father was away fighting the War for part of his life, then his father came back and things weren't better. Then they both went to Contention with Ben Wade and he saw his father shot down and met him again in Milliways. Now he respects his father, but their relationship is full of ideas their era put on both of them about what it means to be a man. His relationship with his mother is good, but they don't share a lot.

Moist: His parents died when he was young but there are hints that they might have been landed gentry. He was raised by his grandparents who bred Lipwigzers, attack dogs. I think it was an okay relationship all around but Moist has always been restless and left home at sixteen.

Sameth: A lot of canon to do with Sameth is about his relationship with his parents. They were always loving but busy, Ellimere and Sameth are honest about how they don't feel like they know their parents that well. Sameth feels more connected to his father, they both do as he gets called Dad while Sabriel is Mother. Also growing up, Sam was taught he would be the next Abhorsen and it didn't fit him well. He's always been concerned with letting his parents down but his mother more than his father, because he knows how hard she works as Abhorsen and what it takes from her.

Jane: She adores her father, he made certain that his daughters were as well educated as they could be, but has a rocky relationship with her mother. The movie implies that by marrying her father, her mother married down and that's created tension and Jane will point it out. I read it as Jane and her mother are both alike in being willing to show the hard truths, but go different ways from them. Jane looks for hope, while her mother doesn't as easily.

Ivan: The day Ivan was born, his father was shot in the street in the midst of a civil war. His mother and he were rescued by Cordelia Vorkosigan and since then they'll all been close. Ivan's relationship with his mother is complicated, there's respect and some confusion as he's never been who she expected him to be. Part of the problem is that a lot of his choices have been in reaction to Gregor and Miles' lives and going, not that, while his mother has been Gregor's unofficial mother along with Cordelia Vorkosigan. There's a lot I could write her because the families are tangled up together. His mother is his rock and I think in some ways, he's hers as well. There's a Barrayaran tradition where on someone's death day, you light an offering. Ivan has been going with his mother to the street where his father died on his birthday and lighting an offering, its one of my favorite scenes in Captain Vorpatril's Alliance. I can't find the entire quote I want as my books are in storage but it boils down to, 'other boys had fathers, he had a plaque that groundcars drove over.'

Demeter: Her father was Kronos and her mother Rhea, she's sister to Zeus, Poseidon, Hestia, Hera and Hades. Basically her family is a mess and that's why she lives in France and not Greece.

Tumnus: His father died during the Long Winter and he's always missed him and felt like he betrayed him when he worked with the Queen. His mother isn't really mentioned so I'm guessing she died when he was young and he and his father clung to each other during the Long Winter.
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[personal profile] clayforthedevil 2015-08-19 07:55 pm (UTC)(link)
Bahorel and his parents canonically have a relationship based on respect and affection, it's weird. No really, it's super weird, "My 19th Century Peasant Parents are Bankrolling My Socially Deviant and Politically Radical Life Choices" weird. But there it is! He's hugely influenced by them. Beyond the obvious issues of class and material support, they're his conscious and unconscious idea of how family ought to work:there may be --should be!-- disagreements and individual differences, because the point of family is so that everyone can do those important things knowing someone has their back. This is so much his idea of How Family Works that he has to put work in to understand when other people aren't that readily reliant on their (non-abusive) close connections.


Joly's family is canonically...uh, From The South and at least financially supportive enough for him to dress well and support having a mistress and a friend. So fic and Millicanon-ly: His parents are loving, supportive, and totally ignorant of everything about his independent life in Paris except his studies and his frequent health issues, because his parents are religious in an unorthodox (Methodist, gasp!) but very serious way, to go with the usual concerns of a successful bourgeois family that needs to keep up to Standards. Pretty much everything about Joly's life away from his family is incompatible about that, to a socially dangerous degree. So as open as Joly can be with his friends, he's also learned to compartmentalize like a master. It's, uh. Good practice for undercover work?
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[personal profile] inlovewithwords 2015-08-19 09:05 pm (UTC)(link)
Eriond: gets along very well with his parents (UL, father of the gods, and the universe herself). He's very much the happy little baby of his family--though it's a good thing Torak never knew him.

Evelyn: Honestly doesn't know her parents that well, and while she was still with her genetic family, was the awkward child. But now she's a mage and things don't get much better. Whoops.

Henry: Pre-season 1 his relationship with his adoptive mother is terrible and he's dreaming of what his birth parents are like. His father's absence definitely shapes his longing for Happy Endings even after the show starts, and his unhappiness with Regina is part of what drives him to Emma so quickly. That said, he does love Regina as well, and when Regina gets her act together, he's loyal and loving. ...then complications happen.

Lois: adores her mom, but Ella died when Lois was six and Lois had to become both mom and sister to 2-year old Lucy. Went as well as you'd guess. Sam... is difficult. Lois looks up to him and at the same time wants to be anything but him. He still wishes Lois were more controllable, or had followed in his footsteps--but he's also extremely proud of her and highly protective. And he has a habit of forcing her serious boyfriends through tests--not to see if they'll survive them, but to see if she'll stand up for them. She hasn't yet. So she really doesn't like Sam sticking his nose in her life, but he does care... they're difficult.

Tavi: ahahaha okay.
- His maternal uncle Bernard was the closest he had to a father, and the two are close. Most of his openly voice politics came from Bernard, as did his work ethic and respect for intelligence. Bernard always took Tavi seriously and encouraged his intellect and creativity. That said, they also don't see themselves as father and son emotionally, just very close uncle and nephew. There is a slight gap.
- His step-father, Araris, really should have been more of a father figure during Tavi's childhood (that was Septimus' intention). But he wasn't. Tavi sees him as a close personal friend, and Araris was his first friend in life--but despite marrying Isana, there's nothing parental between them, really.
- Alia, his maternal aunt, is notable because for years he thought she was his mother, and he missed her terribly. She did die helping her sister and nephew survive the labor--so Tavi has some guilt over that, and wishes he'd known her.
- Isana deliberately stunted her son's physical and magical growth, lied to him for years, and is a bit on the overprotective and controlling side. That said, she did it because his father was murdered and she probably saved his life. Tavi adores his mother unconditionally--even if he doesn't fully trust her anymore--and hurting her is a good way to get dead with extreme prejudice.
- Tavi misses Septimus every day. He's not even entirely aware of it. Not knowing his father gave some of his early life lack of definition, and gave him other problems. Now he has a legacy to live up to. He wants to make Septimus proud of him, but he has also promised himself that no matter how much he loves them, he will never become his father--or grandfather.
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[personal profile] wings_of_a_swan 2015-08-20 02:08 am (UTC)(link)
Late, but...

Combeferre and Jean Prouvaire both have pleasant but fairly distant relations with their parents. All canon says of them is (1) Combeferre's mother is alive at the time of his death, but he doesn't think about leaving the fighting and returning to her, even though he's urging the other men to go home to their mothers and wives and children, (2) Prouvaire's family is rich, and (3) both of their families are from the South of France. Canon also says they both end up in a "family" of close friends in Paris.

All of this put together, combined with their time and class and society (where it wasn't unusual for boys to go to boarding school at a young age, for example), makes it easy for me to imagine them being not particularly close to their parents. Especially Combeferre, because of the explicit statement about him not thinking of his mother. I think their distant relationships with their own parents influenced their seeking out a found family of close friends in Paris. I also suspect Prouvaire's parents wealth and privilege is part of what spurred him to question the injustices of his society.

Brienne of Tarth has a fraught but still caring relationship with her father, Lord Selwyn of Tarth. She's his only child and heir; she's also a large conventionally-ugly woman who wants to fight like a knight. He doesn't quite understand her, and he tries to get her to accept a husband and a more traditional role. But despite that, he still doesn't try to prevent her from training in weapons with the castle's master-at-arms, nor does he try to prevent her from going to serve Renly Baratheon when Renly declares himself king. Selwyn is more understanding of Brienne than a lot of fathers would be, but at the same time, he can't help convey to her that she's a disappointment and an oddity in many ways. All of this has influenced her tremendously. On the one hand, she's been able to learn to fight unhindered, and she does know her dad loves her. On the other hand, she feels inadequate in a lot of ways.

Brienne's mother is dead. Her dad's had a succession of mistresses, none of which have been close to Brienne. She has no mother-figure with the possible exception of Catelyn Stark, who's probably not quite old enough to be a mother-figure rather than an older sister-figure. Anyway, Catelyn's the only older female influence in her life [ETA: not actually true, see below re the septa], and she's had a huge influence on Brienne. She treats Brienne like a knight (despite Catelyn's own traditional lifestyle), accepts her as a sworn sword, sends her on a quest to rescue damsels in distress, and kickstarts Brienne's process of examining what the hell "honor" really means to her anyway.

Brienne also had a septa or nun-equivalent as a governess. The septa wasn't close or warm or kind to Brienne, but did do her the harsh-but-possibly-necessary service of telling Brienne that any man who said he thought Brienne was beautiful was probably lying, and only wanted to marry her for her claim to Tarth.
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[personal profile] misslucyjane 2015-08-20 03:01 am (UTC)(link)
Steve's father died because of or in WWI ("mustard gas") and my head canon says Steve never knew him as a living person. His mother then died of TB years later. Milli!Steve also had loving grandparents who also passed when he was quite young--so Steve, basically, has parental abandonment issues up the wazoo and hangs onto whatever family he can find or make with all his strength.

Cecil had a great relationship with his mother! She used to hide from him for days! What a character.

Merlin was raised by his mother, and met his father once. Could Merlin's devotion to Arthur, the father of his kingdom, be rooted in his own daddy issues? Ya think?

Sadie has loving parents who indulged her and raised her the best they could, which was quite, quite well. Though they are still puzzled as to why their beloved daughter would marry an ex-exorcist who sees ghosts.

Furiosa never knew her father and her mother died when she was a child. Quite possibly she was raped to death by Immortan Joe's men. It's little wonder, then, that Furiosa clung to the memory of the Green Place of Many Mothers for seven thousand days and more.

Jack....oh, Jack. Let's see: his father, absolute monarch of Gilboa, told him he was ashamed of him for being gay and may have arranged for him to be captured by the enemy army, and favored David Shepherd over Jack whenever it suited him. And Jack's mother arranged to have his lover killed. This family makes the Macbeths look sane and loving, JFC.

In the comics, Groot is an alien prince sowing his wild oats out in the galaxy, and his people don't really quite understand why he'd ever leave the home world...that's pretty much my head canon for him, too, at this point.

The Vision is kind of the child of Ultron, JARVIS, and Thor? Maybe? Luckily he mostly takes after JARVIS.

In short, it would appear I like my characters deeply screwed p in the parental department; but such is the ooze where good fiction is born, yeah?