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DE: How the other side feels
AU ideas continue: Gender-bend your charrie! Describe what they would be like if, in their canon, they were another gender -- not restricted to two, either, as both canons and the real world habitually contain more than that.
Bonus: interact with each other in those gender-bent incarnations.
Bonus: interact with each other in those gender-bent incarnations.

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Javert would not amount to anything as a women. Canonically, women got a shit deal, and being a girl born in prison would mean seriously never having much of a chance to better herself. I doubt she'd make it, to be honest. Her submissive personality would lead her to accept the abuse that would likely be meted out, because she would have less of a chance of building the shield of police work that male!Javert gets. She'd be horrifically poor, and would most likely get swallowed up. Fantine is an example of a woman with strength in canon, and she gets treated horrifically. Javert does not have that same strength, and would break far quicker.
Valjean, by contrast, would have a better life as a woman! Probably. Even if she stole bread, women were not sent to the galleys. As a peasant woman, she'd probably marry a man in the country. It isn't to say she'd have an easy life at all, but wouldn't get her soul crushed by nineteen years of slavery.
Courfeyrac would probably get married off to some aristo, unless she could avoid it. If she could, I would imagine she'd have the same strong views and do what she could for the revolution - which was no small thing, as Paris women were instrumental in a lot of the uprisings of the time. Probably wouldn't die on a barricade though, and would have far less chance of being in Paris at all given that she wouldn't be a student there. She'd have much the same personality and outlook though.
Bruce Wayne - very little difference! Women are just as crime-fightingly badass in Gotham.
Bruce Banner - likewise, little difference. Brilliant scientist, the same tendency to experiment on herself, with the same results.
Pearly - exactly the same, but female. Probably even more tougher and deranged, as she'd have to prove herself in a man's game.
Moriarty - yep, also much the same. Evil crimebosses are not gender specific!
Aubrey - ahahaha, omg, poor Jack. She would still dream endlessly of the sea, and would be a nightmare at being denied the opportunity. She'd dress up as a boy and sneak off on a ship at around twelve - and I bet get away with it for a while too, until puberty gave her away. Which is definitely would. Then she'd be stuck on shore, and horrible about it. Someone would marry her eventually, and she'd let them, and then spend all her time hunting and riding horses and living a country estate life, all the while wishing she could go to sea.
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"Babe, totally, babe."
"Babe babe babe babe babe."
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Fantine as a dude would be PERFECTLY FINE. She would have a kid and would support the child and its mother. She'd have more and better paying jobs open to her. And if she decided to leave Paris and return to Montreuil, she would not get fired from Valjean's factory, because Valjean's sexual morality policy only applied to women. She would have done just fine.
Combeferre as a girl would...have a hard time! She would have a very strong intellectual curiosity but, as a middle class girl, be strictly discouraged from exercising it. She would try to either marry a man who wouldn't interfere with her intellectual hobbies and would in fact support them, or else avoid marriage entirely, possibly via becoming a nun. And of course she would still take an interest in politics and do whatever she could for the revolution.
Jehan Prouvaire would have an even harder time as a girl: awkward and prone to wild poetic fancies. That kind of eccentricity was Not Encouraged even in boys. As a girl, her family might try to marry her off ASAP to get rid of the oddball. This would be a disaster since she's the kind who actually would accept the social disgrace of running away to the big city and maybe supporting herself by being a mistress/seamstress/actress/whatever. And of course from there she would get involved in political rabblerousing. Alternatively, her family might ship her to a convent, which she might be okay with (she'd be a bit of a mystic). But she'd still be a troublemaker and problem child there too. A melancholy version of Maria from The Sound of Music.
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(Sorry Fantine. :()
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A shield-maiden with new ideas and technologies convincing her friends to go raiding where they hadn't been before, with new ships, bringing home a shell-shocked nun from the convent they raided to her husband and kids who stayed at home during that first raid? Yep, works just the same way. But the further we go, the more things would change -- it would have to be the husband, the male version of Lagertha, to fight Earl Haraldson and become earl, and if it was female!Ragnar starting to want more kids, then female!Athelstan would still not have been eligible for sacrifice at that specific point and it would have been male!Lagertha offering somebody in hope of more sons, and if it had been the son, not the daughter, who died during Ragnar's absence (provided she would have gone to Jarl Borg, but if everybody knew that she was the driving force behind those new, far more profitable raids to the west, then she very well might have been), then the pressure would have been even worse -- but given a male!Aslaug, then female!Ragnar would have returned pregnant, and unless they did the time-honoured 'It was a god in disguise' excuse, then (as a male!Aslaug would have about zero interest in laying claim to female!Ragnar) the public upset and conniption fits about that kid would have resulted in Ragnar leaving Kattegat, not Lagertha, most likely in the company of her ex-nun maid and nobody else, and from that point onwards, your guess is as good as mine -- it would be a totally different story. They might actually have gone and moved in with Floki and Helga, and then would have to start over at building something of a personnel and power base for their raids to the west, and it would have been unlikely that they'd pull off the big raids on Wessex, as with the power base and local power diluted between Ragnar and Lagertha (who would still be earl in Kattegat), an alliance with King Horik in order to go raiding would be highly unlikely. Also, there would be one more kid, of whatever gender, raised by Ragnar, as opposed to four more sons with Aslaug, which in a few more years' time mean no Great Heathen Army (and also, no Alfred the Great, if we go with Vikings!canon for him).
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As for politics--why, what does she have to do with politics? She'd be involved in the right sort of charity efforts, certainly. But the door to more ambitious political involvement is very much shut against women in her time, and Joly by any title is a hands-on sort of person who'd find the inapplicable intellectual study of issues dull, and lacks the confrontational nature she'd need to batter those doors down without support and inspiration from friends. Men of her class do Politics and Business, women do Society and Home, and she'd roll with that.
Bahorel, hah. Ahahaha. It's a good thing for Bahorel that Paris Bohemia is blooming.
Mlle. Bahorel gets packed off to Paris to sow her wild oats, because her family situation is such that it really doesn't matter to her family or her future if she's a scandal in Paris; if she ever goes back home she can knock that dust off her boots and settle down in a way she couldn't if she was a hellion in the village.
And she is gonna be a hellion. She's got an education from her brothers' schoolbooks, she's got an allowance from her family that lets her do what she wants, she's got political Opinions about everything from the cobblestones to the crown, and categorically, everyone always is trying to tell her what to do (Except her actual parents, whose instructions as she left were just a variant on "give 'em hell, kid") .
So she's going to fight everyone, always. Categorically, and politically, and artistically. She's going to wear trousers and join riots without anyone's permission and sneak art into the Louvre and run anti-salons and start her own damn political clubs, thank you very much, world. With political circles among workers and students less open to her (though oh, she will push), she'd invest more of her time and effort into the artistic/Bohemian world, where there's an Understanding about extreme personalities. She'd wear trousers, smoke pipes, crash respectable parties,have lovers of every class and gender, and probably end up with even more of a Reputation than her canon-gender self had. She'd spend her whole life incandescently furious and having an enormous amount of fun.
...And she'd almost certainly die on a barricade, or in a riot, all the same. She might make it to 1848 and die in a really meta way! But until then, she'd be having a grand time.
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Athelstan might not have been shipped off to a convent as a child, because it was even harder for peasant girls to get into monastic life back in those days than for peasant boys. She would still have read everything she could get her hands on, and dreamed of travelling.
I'll have to think about the others.
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Viola gets along fine as a boy, really. She gets flustered by falsehood, but really, her intelligence and desire to help other people are more easily accommodated by being a man in her society.
Segundus's situation would not be entirely different. If he hadn't been permitted to study magic as a young lady (and we don't know anything about his family, so maybe he would have have been), he surely would have found some other field to become passionate about. Though a young, gently bred lady with no family who is teetering on the edge of poverty faces an even more dire situation than Mr Segundus does, Miss Segundus could probably follow a rather similar path and become a governess or school teacher, if she didn't marry a gentleman (which it seems unlikely she'd manage to do, with no family or money).
Arabella would probably have become a curate like her brother and father, and be able to express her real opinions more openly and frequently, which would be good for her.
It's tempting to say that Liz would be exactly the same-- though she'd probably be slightly less jaded, a little more carefree, because she would have had more opportunities open to her from the start, and wouldn't have had to make quite such a dramatic departure from her past life-- she could just move to the city whenever she wanted. Maybe go to college!
Marius would be a train wreck, jesus. Assuming she didn't find some way to run away-- which... is possible? But unlikely-- Gillenormand would probably marry her off to someone rich and gross and she'd be even more dreamy and depressed than she is now.
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but they're shakespeare characters, not the actualfax history figures, so whichever of them ends up as a girl we're aimed at a pretty awesome comedy
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Kylo probably wouldn't have had any changes at all.
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Thing is, Seimei has been female (or at least female-bodied) a few times for different reasons - once because of a prank played on him by someone else. While it was not comfortable for him, he considers it a valuable learning experience.
Point of interest: Abe no Seimei in some canon (such as the anime series Magical Shopping Arcade Abenobashi) is portrayed as female.
EDIT: This thread makes me want to have an in-bar genderflip plot. Partly just so that Seimei can show off Heian Japanese women's clothing.
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Katara, if she were a boy, I imagine may have been a lot more like her brother. I'd think at that moment and place, a younger brother to Sokka may have idolized him and possibly been the most enthusiastic student in his attempt at Warrior School, rather than taking on the responsibilities left when their mother died. Or maybe he also would have been close to their mother! Or felt inevitably apart from Sokka due to his waterbending! I don't know.
It wouldn't make a difference for Will. At least for the version I'm playing. It's one of the few instances where I've thought of a genderbent version of the character and then just... five seconds later forget that genderbending was involved. Though admittedly sometimes I do like to think about a version of Hannibal where everything's the same except Caroline Dhavernas and Hugh Dancy, Gillian Anderson and Mads Mikkelsen, and Gina Torres and Laurence Fishburne have switched roles.
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Ahsoka: I don't think there would be a huge different. The jedi care far more about transcending emotion and personal attachments than they do about gender. For some reason though I do find myself wondering if "he" would've stayed with the Order and maybe even joined Anakin in his fall. Not sure why.
Quinlan being female wouldn't have a huge impact during her time in the Jedi Order. Her undercover persona would likely have to be more vicious and trigger happy to gain respect from the criminal underworld, which would spin out in her post-Clone Wars life.
Sabine being male doesn't seem like there'd be a huge difference. Mandalorian culture (at least the aspects Sabine follows) cares more for how much ass you can kick than what gender you are. There are few gender roles on Mandalore.
Hank being Henrietta is interesting. I think she'd be more shy and withdrawn, taking pains to be as plain as possible to avoid male attention. She likely would still be with the CIA but would have had to prove themselves much more to gain entry.
Selina being a guy or trans could be a lot easier in some ways. As a guy, he'd likely have to keep people at arms length less, though I imagine if he were trans that could open him up to more bullying on the streets.
Samantha Wilson is an interesting case. She wouldn't be able to join the AF's pararescue squadron, so maybe the Falcon program is some sort of CIA surveillance program? If so, she'd likely have gained SHIELD's attention before meeting Steve.
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X-23 would be dead and/or more fucked up than she is, because Zander Price wanted a duplicate of Wolverine that he could punish for his father's death. (Dad was killed by Wolvie). So. Yeah. Super less functional and/or already dead.
Nynaeve al'Meara would be Mat Cauthon. Just imagine it, without the authority of the Wisdom or the possibility of getting it, you've got cranky angry forest-dwelling Mat Cauthon who gets in trouble because of too much desire to do stuff rather than gambling. But still. Low expectations of a highly motivated person end badly!
Wonder Woman would have been raised not on Themyscira, so he would have been a lot more like Superman, and less wanting to reform Man's World and more just protecting people. Definitely less into sisterhood.
Dean would be even more guarded and fucked up, because imagine a woman with his attitude and looks and just -- you know shit is fucking awful for her. You know this. And John seems kind of maybe weird about a daughter. Or unequipped. Or both, post-Mary.
Michael the Archangel is unchanged.
Galadan is -- um. Besties with Lisen? Things are probably all right? It's a weird world, that one. But yeah, removing the competition with Amairgen kind of . . . changes a lot. Screw you, sexual politics. SCREW YOU.
Flemeth . . . . uh. Probably her daughters would be actually sired by her? It's the gestation that gets annoying every time. Honestly. Maybe she wouldn't have been murdered and betrayed that one time, because some things the world seems to take better coming from dudes. Like Elgar'nan. *hands*
Raven remains unchanged.
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Charles would be slightly more radical in his politics but the mask would be different. She would use the social tools that money and privilege and intelligence provide to get into Oxford and find what freedoms she can. I don't think she would end up mixed up with the CIA in the same way and she and Erik, that would be complicated in other ways. Unless they were both women, but overall I think she would be more willing to bend and yell louder to say, I'm here, I exist.
Quentin really wouldn't be that different. I think his relationship to Toby wouldn't be the same but I'm not certain of the details, something to think on. Fae don't make a big deal about gender.
William would be incredibly unhappy, wouldn't have been involved with the mess with Ben Wade. Well might have actually, I could see her dressing as a boy to make it seem like there's a man around while Dan was away at War. Also they might have not moved to where they did if there wasn't an older boy to help Dan out. I think she'd quietly push against the ideas and be angrier at what she can't do or what she can do but what society doesn't want her to do.
Sameth, I think wouldn't be that changed. His canon in terms of gender stuff at least the Old Kingdom doesn't focus too much on it. Attending Wyveryly instead of Somersby, probably closer to Ellimere and more aware of disappointing Sabriel.
Moist would turn out about the same, but probably running away before a possible marriage.
Ivan would be far more complicated and a lot of the details would depend on who else in canon is genderbent. If only Ivan, I think she'd end up more like her mother though quietly rebelling about having to marry and end up married to Gregor or Miles. She'd be more involved in politics because she wouldn't want her marriage used, so there'd be more openly arguing with her mother instead of quietly not doing as much as is expected. Its an interesting idea but as happens with this world, every change has so many ripples.
Demeter would be herself, she wouldn't mind testing out a male form for a time, but she's a very female goddess.
Tumnus, I don't know, canon doesn't actually mention female Fauns, I think personality wise about the same.
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Jane!
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Sort of like Galadriel, only dark haired and more, I don't know, - aesthetically tragic or something.
Probably more unsettling to her Mortal visitors, just because female and elf.
Eric would be tall and gorgeous and insatiable, toying with every breathing thing to pass her way.
And she'd still be Pam's Maker.
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Giovanni would still be the minutes-younger twin, and kind of bulldozed and dazzled at the same time by Francesca's force of personality. She'd do whatever 'Cesca wanted to do, while secretly longing for their handsome childhood friend to notice and marry her.
Michael Carpenter - well, canon has told us absolutely nothing about Michael's pre-Knight life. There's nothing to suggest that women can't be Knights of the Cross, though (and in fact Murphy was, briefly) so maybe she still would have been. Probably (although I'm not completely ruling it out) not married to Charity, and if there's a huge brood of children, they're adopted because a Knight cannot do Knight things while heavily pregnant.
Jonathan would still have been much the same person, only ostracised from the fashionable girl set rather than the athletic boy set. By now, after the mass-Choosing, she might be a Slayer.
Nancy either didn't fall out with her parents or did so for a different reason. Literally everything would have changed.
Cadfael would have stayed in Wales, got married and lived an unremarkable life. Though she would still have been a local wise woman and herbalist, and possibly solved a few crimes into the bargain.
Ichabod, I could see being a lot like Katrina, kicking back against what was expected of noble ladies even in the colonies. She and Katrina would be inseparable friends if not more (and definitely more if Katrina's a man here).
Norrington would have been... basically what Write said about Lucky Jack. If she got bored and restless enough and the chance came up, she might have "been kidnapped" by pirates, but probably she would have been a good girl however unhappy she was.
Childermass - not Miss Childermass, thank you very much, if you really must you can call her Joan - hangs around on the edge of society as a cutpurse and occasional independent prostitute and, most importantly, a secret magician. She doesn't know nearly as much as male Childermass, learning by trial and error and seeing what works, but she still has her cards. She might have spent some time as a cross-dressing sailor just because she wanted to see what it was like.
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Henry would have been so much worse off as Henrietta. Just for the record. Given the history between Regina and Cora, that cycle would have gone a hundred times worse if Regina had adopted a little girl.
Evelyn would likely have started out less insecure, but in the long run being a guy wouldn't've helped with the Big Things.
Lois as a guy... sigh. Louis is not nearly as cool as Lois, okay. Also, Louis would have either a) followed Sam into the Army or b) been such a type-breaker that he and Sam would have gotten along even worse than Lois and Sam, but in ways that would result in less Dad Angst because I suspect they would simply not be speaking at all.
R2 is 'male by default,' I suspect, and more reasonably genderless. ARTOO IS HAPPY THIS WAY.
Anakin... hoo boy. Annie (as opposed to Ani) would have been way angrier much earlier. Also, the plot would break really horribly unless you wanted Annie to give birth, then make her think the kids died in some accident or other, and hide them. In general, much angrier, and the entire relationship with Palpatine would probably have been way sketchier too (and it's already sketchtastic).
Tavi as a girl could have been super interesting actually! It adds a huge dimension to the politics if the Gaius-Calderon family has to defend not only legitimacy but right to inherit because girlybits. It would also actually make book six and having a preganncy plot more interesting because it's the main character wrestling with the kinds of risks Tavi needs to take in that book with situation etc. There are days I seriously think about this AU and want to write this fic, but it isn't something I would do with RP because I'd need to get into a different headspace. Also, some things about Tavi's personality would stay 100% the same... but some things would have to shift dramatically because Alera is terrible to women.
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Chuck: Chuck would be a cis woman, and would have shaved her hair and dressed how Chuck currently does but as more of an aggressive "fuck off, stop sexualizing me, I have a JOB TO DO and that job is SAVING ALL OF OUR FUCKING LIVES no I will NOT TELL YOU MY WORKOUT ROUTINE FOR GREAT ABS or WHO I AM DATING (actually I will, it's BLOODY NOBODY)". She'd either get in more fights than Chuck actually does, or avoid people even more assiduously. Max is still her bestie. Dooogs.
Sebastian: Sebastian would honestly be okay with being a woman?? Especially if her major roles included being a friendly host and so forth. She'd do much better in a more modern time period (details are NOT Sebastian's friends, so running a household...), and she'd be incredibly picky about getting married and thankfully have a twin brother that would let her be -- but in the end of the day, she'd just be the friendly and supportive spouse to someone much scarier (rather like in canon).
Melinda May: I suspect male Melinda May would never have become who she is if she were a man. Being unexpected and secretly dangerous is kind of... her thing. Male Melinda would likely stick with his first love -- accounting -- and just also know how to kick a moderate level of butt because his mom made him learn but, y'know, no reason to show off.
Darcy: Darcy would be agender if she were born in a male body, and otherwise be pretty similar to their current self -- sarcastic, kind of shy. They might be friendlier, because being somewhat taller and (mostly) reading as male would massively cut down on the number of sleezeballs hitting on them during middle school/high school/college/now. Less reason to be so jaded. They'd have longish short hair, pierced ears, and wear lots of big fuzzy sweaters because Darcy's major fashion choice is "warmth".
John Connor Would be the exact same person -- he's not agender, but his gender doesn't much matter to him, and I can't see it being different if he were a girl. I think she would have some sliiight differences -- for example, flying under the radar as a teenage girl requires some slightly different skills than as a teenage boy, but not that many really. Mostly wearing clothes that communicate the same things but gender-appropriate. (Work jeans and cheap old navy t-shirts or something, instead of work jeans and oversized plaid).
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