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[bjornwilde]

This morning I woke from an anxious dream where I was in high school again and could not for the life of me find the classroom I was supposed to be in. Not even other teachers were a help.

Running with this, what was your pup's education like? Did they receive a formal education or are they a student of the world? Would they go back to that period if they could? Do they miss it or even think it was worth their time? 

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[cottoncandypink]

I had a remarkably similar dream recently. I woke up so angry, but once I calmed down, I blamed it on the fact that the book I'm working on is about a stressed out high schooler.


As for Wilford, his education was fairly typical of an American student. He went to public school, and did well. He wound up unexpectedly having to put himself through college, and has a real bug up his ass about people who get things handed to them by their parents as a result. Would he go back? Not at all. Unless there was a reason he could profit off of, and then yes. And Wilford being Wilford, he actually could if he wanted to.

[bjornwilde]

I wasn't angry just mystified as to why I couldn't either remember the room number or find it (I am usually very competent with maps and finding things). I remember the layout of the floor was weird and a PE coach told me to go down a well as a short cut. I think it was centered on my feeling's of stress that my to-do list is not shrinking but is instead growing.

[cottoncandypink]

I wake up from frustrating dreams angry a lot. It's a problem I have. lol

[yinyangwizard]

Because of the time in which Seimei was born and raised, and the social class to which he belonged, Seimei was educated by his mother, a series of tutors, and most notably the respected onmyoji Kamo no Tadayuki (to whom he was apprenticed). He spent a few extra years on scholarship, so where most of his contemporaries went off to court at around sixteen, he did not start his career until nineteen or so.

Of course, his education did not end there - it's continued in one form or another over the past thousand-plus years. Generally, it has worked something like this:

1. Get interested in a topic.
2. Track down all kinds of reference material on that topic.
3. Read reference material very intently, taking copious notes.
4. Hit a roadblock where he can't learn any more about the topic on his own.
5. Find an expert on the topic of interest.
6. Pester said expert (politely) until they correspond with him/teach him.
7. Achieve a surprisingly good grasp of the topic of interest, all without a formal education.

You might call it self-directed learning combined with the apprenticeship model.

[sunbaked_baker]

Sunshine was a wretched student because it's really hard to care when the world is falling down around you. She graduated high school by the skin of her teeth and through the intercession of her subversive literature teacher, who was on her side. She would never go back. The only reason she didn't drop out beforehand was Charlie bribing her with a bakery and a real job at the coffeehouse if she stayed in long enough to graduate.

Due to her weird family situation, Rae missed out on the traditional magic-handling apprenticeship so she is still learning her limitations and how to work magic rather than letting magic work her. She knows that it is sometimes good to be in a situation where you make up your own apprenticeship (sometimes you find out something was supposed to be impossible after you've done it), but more often she wishes she had someone who could tell her what the lurid, multicolored hells she is doing.

[have_no_mercy]

Tess was the best student ever once she finally got to school at age seven. After that canon gets a bit hazy and frankly, a little silly over how smart she's supposed to be. She graduated high school at 15 with a scholarship from Harvard and then graduated from Harvard at 17 with at least a Masters. I worked out the math once and it was ridiculous.

That said she loved school and is very glad the only reason she dropped out of her PhD program was because she got kidnapped by pirates.

Kylo... didn't do all that well in a school-like environment. >.> He has no wish to go back and prefers being basically an apprentice to Snoke.

[bjornwilde]

Hank had a public education until he gained the notice of the government and got a fast track to Harvard. He loves learning, hasn't really stopped, although he misses the safety of schools compared to the real world.

Ahsoka grew up and learned in the Jedi Temple. She misses the peace and familiar acceptance of the Order. Her real education came when she became Anakin's padawan and she misses that dearly. I know many times a day she thinks about going back, but so far she knows she was right to seek her own path. Is it Oct 11th yet?

Sabine does not miss school at all. Of course for her school was run by the Empire.

[wedic]

I also have this dream repeatedly, usually I'm a mature student and I haven't done my homework.

[bjornwilde]

High school (or however it's called in other countries, upper years?) sure seems to leave a lasting impression on our psyche.

[wedic]

If you're interested:

In the UK, a school for older children (11-16 - Year 7 to Year 11) is known as secondary school. Most but not all go up to year 13 (age 18). Divided into a couple of subtypes.

Comprehensive - state school that accepts students based on postcode. Grammar - state school that accepts kids based on ability (few and far between at the moment, but likely to come back under the current government). Free Schools and academies - also usually by postcode but these are privatised (not to be confused with private) and run as a business paid by the state, not the parents. And faith schools, which were also on the way out, but may now be on the way back under the new PM.

Colleges take students from 16 onwards, and exist to mop up kids whose school finishes at 16, and some of the 50% of kids who leave secondary school without 5 Cs at GCSE (which is considered the rough equivalent of a High School diploma), but also as an alternative environment to do A levels, and also to provide education in vocational subjects like hairdressing and beauty. Universities take kids usually 18+.

Middle schools are rare in the UK but I think there is the odd one scattered around.

Children 4-11 (Reception to Year 6) are generally taught in primary schools.

Private schools tend to be confusing in that they often use names associated with other school types. I for example went to '[Town] High School', my brother went to '[Town] Grammar School', but neither are strictly a US style High School or a Brit style Grammar school. Two of the other local private schools use '[Location] College', despite neither being a college.

Even more confusingly some private secondary schools take children from 10-18 rather than 11-18 (the 10 year olds being in a year 6 class which is sometimes called a 10+ class).

A private primary school that feeds into an associated private secondary school is often, but not always, called a Prep (Preparatory) school. Private primary schools often take children from 2 or 3.

'Public Schools' are very posh private schools, like Eton or Cheltenham Ladies' College, and their attached primary schools would usually be known as a Prep school.


In Fry's world, Cherry Tree Primary which he attends is a private primary school (setting but not plots based on my own), The Gates is a Public School (prep and secondary), and Oaking is a private secondary school with a 10+ class (a combination of my brother's school, my school, and one near where I live now).

TL:DR - Age 1-3/4 nursery, 4-11 primary, 11-18 secondary - likely to be correct.

[bjornwilde]

Ah thank you! I've seen year comparisons online before but never the names for the level of school.

[yinyangwizard]

I have dreams that I'm back in graduate school and I've forgotten what/when/where my classes are and/or I have unreasonably huge amounts of homework to do. And in the back of my mind I'm like, wait, didn't I get my degree already? Aren't I already working a job in a related field? I hate when I get those, but fortunately I don't have lingering effects when I wake up.

Sometimes I have dreams about being back in college but those are usually focused around either eating too much/the wrong things in the dining hall or not being able to find my dorm room for some reason.

[harryhotspur]

Despite having had to reassure multiple people when he first arrived that he does, in fact, know how to read, Hotspur had a fairly extensive education by the standards of his time. How much he retained is a different question... but as a nobleman's son, he can speak and write English, French, and Latin; enough math to keep tabs on the expenditures of a household or army; formal and informal writing styles; and probably an education in rhetoric and logic which he clearly didn't hang onto.

[ceitfianna]

My anxiety dreams always tend to be about being lost or being late and I'm still having them. One of the things that always gets me in the Fall and Winter is waking up while its dark and thinking I've slept through the day.

Only a few of mine have had a formal education. I'll start with the ones who did.

Charles is the most educated as he attended a fancy private school then good college before his dissertation at Oxford. He still keeps up with research journals and is trying to learn what he needs to do to create his school.

Ivan attended the Imperial Service Academy on Barrayar and before that a private school, his education continues throughout his service. In terms of the world of etiquette, that was learned more informally from how he grew up.

Sameth went to Somersby in Ancelstierre, Somersby is meant to be equivalent to Eton, a boarding school. Before going there, his education in the Old Kingdom was not as formal. His parents taught him and his sister as well as using anyone in the Kingdom with knowledge to help as the Interregnum disrupted much of how the Old Kingdom ran. In the Old Kingdom, his education was sword fighting, use of Charter magic, how to be a prince and Abhorsen though the Charter can magically teach someone as well. In terms of his forge work, he's mainly self taught, my headcanon is that the palace smith taught him and then he started learning on his own. Now if he wants to figure something out, he researches and experiments.

Quentin's education, I finally know more about thanks to the last two pieces of canon that came out. Before he came to Shadowed Hills as a foster at 14, his education was informal within the knowe he lived in. Then in Shadowed Hills, he was one of many pages who are all taught the same things about manners, magic and protection. At one point, the pages and squires of Shadowed Hills were sent to attend the local high school, which ended badly but is the closest that Quentin's had to a mortal education. He loves to read, has access to the internet and is still getting the court training at Shadowed Hills along with living and working with Toby, which is another sort of education.

William went to a small school and stayed in longer than most boys his age as his parents wanted him and his brother to have more options. Now he's left and does most of his learning through his own reading, his younger brother is attending a more formal school in the hope that he might become a doctor.

Jane was taught at home along with her sisters by their father who wanted his daughters to be as educated as their brothers. She continues her own education through her own reading which her father encourages.

Moist briefly attended school in Uberwald until he ran away. His con artist education was a mixture of paying attention, messing up, briefly being someone's almost apprentice and whatever he can read. He learns quickly which makes him good at his job.

Will was only really educated when he came to Milliways as he learned to read and write. His education in his time was connected to helping his family or when he became Robin's squire learning how to be helpful and navigate the noble world. Then there was honing his outlaw skills and at the moment, he's learning how to be a good steward for Robin.

Tumnus, I imagine briefly attended a small school in Narnia and then when the Long Winter hit, his father kept him reading. Now he's constantly researching and trying to understand his home.

Demeter is a goddess and while she does still try to learn, she also just knows some things.

[mogget_cat]

By the way! Just in case you hadn't seen it, Epic Reads has the first four chapters of Goldenhand available to read online. *does the new Canon dance*

[ceitfianna]

Nice, I actually picked up an ARC of Goldenhand at ALA Annual but haven't read it yet.

[sunbaked_baker]

I'm already taking notes. The first chapters have some useful new info on how Free Magic works, new animal types, how Chlorr kept her spirit strong for so long before Sabriel killed her during the events leading up to Orannis, and what Sam has been doing since Orannis. Only one mention of Mogget so far, but Clariel</> gave me so much I shouldn't mind. :D

[ceitfianna]

There's Sam stuff, sweet, that will bump it up my to read list. Clariel had some great Mogget moments.

[i_am_your_host]

I hate those dreams, they leave me feeling more tired and stressed when I wake up. I still have recurring dreams/nightmares about the godawful bathrooms in my high school (not as frequently anymore, though).

But anyway!

Emcee had never stepped foot inside a school in his life, but the ladies of the night who raised him taught him how to read, write, and speak a few different languages. He furthered his own education by reading everything he could get his hands on, usually by loitering at a news stand or in a bookstore. (Child/Teen!Emcee might have actually done well in a school setting, as long as it wasn't too restrictive and demanding. He'd be more of a bohemian student of the arts.)

Pam had a governess who raised her to be a proper young lady and had the best private tutors that money could buy. But though she was smart, she was stubborn and rebellious and quite frankly, lazy. She could learn what was taught, but she hated doing the work. Pam would never go back to that.

Floki's teacher was his father and he learned everything he knows about building ships from him. My headcanon says that as a child he learned about the gods and magic from elders in his own family, on his mother's side, who were most likely outsiders themselves.