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Le divertissment de vendredi

Salut à tous nos amis qui jouent ici ce 14 juillet. Je sais qu'ils ne sont pas vos jours (pour nos lecteurs, ceux sont le 5 juin et le 6 juin), mais je voulais le reconnaître tout de même. Vos santés.

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At least the high school skills haven't died completely?

Hi to all our friends who play here this Bastille Day. I know they're not your days (for our readers, those are the 5th and 6th of June), but I wanted to recognize it all the same. Your health.

In that spirit: what would your character defy authority--immediate or ultimate--for? What would your character die for?

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TRES BON.

...and, that's about all I remember from high school French. Apart from how to order a strawberry ice cream, which is obviously the only thing I'll ever need to know.

Anyway, to answer the questions - I) anything, but mainly fun and profit, and b) anything, but mainly fun and profit.

As long as that strawberry ice cream order includes how to ask for chocolate on it, yeah, you're probably all set.

*tries it out in head*

...alas, it does not. But I imagine I could be a dreadful tourist and ask for that bit in English, so all is not lost. :D

"avec chocolat"

there you are now set for life and never need to learn anything again

YES. YES. AND I DID KNOW THAT TOO, HURRAH. Thank you. I tripped myself up on considering what 'sauce' or 'sprinkles' might be. But that's my learning finished for the rest of my life, so I'm happy. :D

well now jim's obliged to order a strawberry ice cream from bossuet just to prove this

JE VOUDRAIS UN GLACE A LA FRAIS, S'IL VOUS PLAIT.

...that's me proving it. And now Jim's going to as well, though he is considerably more fluent than I am.

William likes to think he's all about defying authority. CAN'T NOBODY TELL HIM WHAT TO DO. William's not enough of a nuanced thinker to recognize that actually he's just fine with authority as such, authority in the most heavy-handed and primitive might-makes-right sense, as long as he's the one in authority over himself.

...or as long as he's getting enough approving pats on the head from the authority that he cares about. He'll absolutely defy authority for attention, to the point of killing and getting killed for it, because there's no such thing as negative attention.

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...I have just envisioned Emcee at the karaoke machine performing "I Would Do Anything for Love (But I Won't Do That)" and now I think it has to happen.

In any case. Emcee has defied every rule against him and has gone to great lengths to ensure the safety of the people he loves most. He would die for them, and almost did, but it would have been in vain. There is a fine point where he would rather fight than die, and that's saying a lot for someone as small and defenceless as Emcee.

Pam would die for Eric. Period. But she won't go down without ripping some heads off.

Floki...is complicated. He's defied the king out of loyalty to Ragnar and his family. But he's also defied Ragnar out of jealousy. He's also sort of defied the gods by questioning them. He's a mess, really.

Cassidy defies authority on a regular basis, especially when it's beneficial to him but also because of low impulse control, and he ain't dying for nothing or nobody, gtfo

I'm going to skip my pups that are involved in rebellion or will be in the future; i.e. Ahsoka and Sabine.

Sam: A government that violates the Constitution. I know this is vague, esp. given the current administration, but it's the best answer I can give. It's a better answer than, "What ever Steve says."

As to what he would die for, saving lives.

Hank: Honestly, it would take a lot for him to rebel against the US government. He's of a mind set that the government can't do anything wrong, even after Cuba. The fallout following the Kennedy assassination will put some cracks in this faith which will only grow as he watches the Civil Rights movement and then Watergate. I think he'll grow to see that the government can be a good thing, but that people are fallible.

And in the dying for column: well, it's much like Sam, but he'd also hope to make a difference for mutants. (I actually have a fic inspired by his original death from Days of Future Past here wherein he allows himself to be lynched so another mutant doesn't.)

Touji: Wow...I don't know. I feel like he'd follow Harutora's lead, or maybe any of his other friends, but I don't think he'd trust himself to make the first move to rebellion.

He'd easily die for his friends or to save someone else.

Izana: I think the only thing that would get them to rebel against the Captain would be if she were a clear and present danger to the people of Sidonia. Like if the Captain's choices lead to consistent breaches by the gauna or any decision that endangers the ship needlessly. (Fortunately Izana has no visibility of the shit the Captain gets up to...)

Izana puts her life on the line every sorte to defend against the gauan, so nothing new there.

Selina: Make it worth her while. Seriously. She's pretty anti-government or at least apathetic to it, but she doesn't see any advantage to rebelling against it. She's more than comfortable breaks laws, so if she ever did decide rebellion was worth it, it'd be an easy shift for her.

So what would Selina die for? Hard to say. She's very self-protective...I'm going to say she'd protect kids in an impulsive way, but if it were more a choice she had time to think on, all I can believe is something to save Bruce.

Chance: An obvious, malicious will to harm civilians.

She'd die to save anyone or Devil's Echo. (Her home city.)

Danny: He already kind of takes things into his own hands and doesn't trust the police or government agencies to take care of things. It seems to me that vigilantism could be one step away from rebellion, but the government would have to turn authoritarian or fascist I think. (OK, and now a revolutionary Defenders AU is kind of brewing.)

And the death clause, protecting people or saving Colleen (in the future).

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Oh screw it...
Ahsoka (CW): I can't think of anything that would get her to rebel against the Republic, or the Order. She does walk away from the Order when they prove they aren't worth her loyalty, but she never rebels against them. As to what or whom she'd die for, Anakin, Rex, or Obi-Wan. Padme, Yoda, or any other jedi. Any innocent life that is in harms way.

ETA: If we look at defying authority more broadly, Ahsoka of both eras is likely to do what she feels is needed, and not let anything like a law or order stand in her way. CW-era might get slowed down by Anakin, especially early in her padawan-ship, but he tends to agree with her motivations, so he seems to only show her better ways of working around authority. Go Anakin!

And I just remembered at least one time she worked around his authority and defied him. = )

Ahsoka (SWR): Mistreat your citizens, strip mine resources, ruin lives in the name of the government but not the people, are all ways to get her to rebel. Also destroy lives, homes, and livelihood. She'd die to protect innocents, but would fight to stay alive. It's hard to keep protecting and fighting for the galaxy when you're dead. The last time she risked death it was to find out the truth of Anakin's fate and then to avenge his good name (face palms at pup). It likely could've gone better.

Sabine: Stifle lives and freedoms. Set your government up so that it matters more than the people it governs. And she'd die to protect the Ghost crew, innocent lives, her blood family, and Mandalore.

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Wilford has died over his stubbornness and unwillingness to do paperwork. That's kind of the same thing, right? In that same vein, he'll defy any authority thrown at him out of spite and an unwillingness to cooperate. How he gets to a top position in a TV network is astonishing.

I missed the first part of the question.

Cassian would die for freedom for the galaxy and the Rebellion, he completely expects to and only hopes that its a death that does some good. He's the only one of mine who the balance is more he'd easily die than wants to live for something. He defies authority all the time for the freedom of others.

Quentin doesn't die easily but he would die for his real family and his found family especially Toby who keeps almost dying too much. He doesn't easily defy authority but he does for the sake of keeping others sake and always for Toby.

Charles would die for mutants but much rather live for them and create a better world. He would rather change authority's mind than defy it, but he will for mutants.

Sameth would die for the Old Kingdom and his family. He doesn't easily defy authority but would to help the Old Kingdom.

Will S. has almost died for Nottingham and Robin many times and would for any of his friends, but now things are better and wants to live for them. He's defied authority so often for the sake of others and to improve their lives.

William would die for his family and he tries not to defy authority too much, but he does when for the sake of fairness and his family.

Moist would like to not die for anything and would rather trick authority than defy it.

Demeter would die for her daughter and considers few things authority above her but will happily defy her brother Zeus for existing.

Ivan would die for his family, Barrayar and if Miles or Gregor asked him to though he'd try and live. He tries not to defy authority because authority knows him too well.

Tumnus would die for Narnia and doesn't easily defy authority, he respects the Pevensies.

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Swamp Thing's entire career since discovering he was part of a larger whole has been about defying higher powers. His relationship with the Parliament of Trees has been endlessly fraught. Even though, as far as John Constantine is concerned, Swampy is also an authority figure to rebel against.

Eriond absolutely defied some authority that time when he wasn't a god yet and just walked into a temple of Torak and was like nope, you don't get to do this anymore and waved a hand and things changed. So yeah. Changing worship from Teh Ebols to Teh Guds. Oh! Also that time he defied the Ultimate God of the Universe and sort of the local ultimate Gods to pressure them into letting Garion bring someone back from the dead. Except he's the local authority now, so. If he did have to die to save the universe--or a place, or a single person--he totes would, but that is hard to do and generally unnecessary these days.

Evelyn, as it turns out, will defy authority to survive, and to help others survive. She doesn't know this yet. In the process she starts defying authority so others can live more freely and equally, but she's really more into the apocalypse side than the politics side. In the end she is also totally willing to die to try to prevent or at least mitigate apocalypse. Well, someone has to do the damn job.

R2 is willing to defy authority when he thinks they are being stupid or if they are violating the ethics he has learned from Padme, Obi-wan, and Anakin--and also for his stupid family of meatbags + C-3P0. Willing to die for these things.

Anakin rather likes authority when it agrees with him! And lets him destroy things! Er... yeah. Pretty much then. When it gets in his way too much, good luck, he's going to go rogue (but not Rogue, to everyone's dismay). He is willing to die for whatever his current goals are, and for the people he loves: during the Clone Wars, Padme and Ahsoka in particular, and to a degree Obi-wan or Jedi; after... well, no one for a long time, other than the very sick relationship he has to Palpatine, at least not until there's a kid half his age to chase and maim and love enough to sacrifice for (plus tbh oh that's why Leia and her resemblance to Padme and ability to resist him annoyed him so much oh okay right well damn she totally reinforced the decision he'd already made).

Lois is willing to defy authority... uh. Kind of if she thinks it's relevant somehow. Like to warn about a forger hiding as her art teacher, or try to draw a picture that was not of roses but of one neighbor stealing another neighbor's roses (she was five, okay, it kind of didn't get interpreted right). She's willing to defy authority for others, for her own freedom, and for the truth. Very rarely just because it irritates her. Also, one day she will see a flying man. When that happens, she is 100% willing to defy authority--her father, the general in the army, so parental and governmental both--to try to find out who it is, get his story for herself at least, and keep him safe from those who would harm him.

She doesn't really think about things she'd die for, to be honest, but frankly, she's a little more willing to for all those things and for her family. At this point she honestly would not quite die for her flying man, story or protection. Not quite. However, she meets her best friend and eventual boyfriend during that quest, who she is willing to defy authority and (though she doesn't realize it consciously) die for. The distinction will matter for a while longer, because Lois and Clark go through some rocky stages.

Tavi is willing to defy authority for his family, for the lives of other people, and increasingly in his life not just for what he thinks is right (or sometimes just to prove a point) but to force it to actually come to fruition--be it against family, teachers, military, High Lords, asshole Senators with no regard for life, terrifying ambassadors (except Kitai), the law, and occasionally even the First Lord. (... sometimes the laws of nature.) Although, to be honest, it's often less defiance except in the case of other people committing treason--of which Tavi never has and never will approve, for increasingly personal reasons--as thoughtful, well-considered disregard for those opinions or limitations. He's only somewhat unlike Anakin this way! In that he thinks first. He believes authority should be making lives better and safer, and has admittedly firm opinions on which authority will accomplish this best. When anything gets in the way of that goal, up to and including the law, as with Anakin: good luck, hold his beer, find shelter.

His family he will absolutely die for without hesitation and way less careful thought than he should. For the other things mentioned above, he will absolutely die without hesitation, but will also think through how his blood is most effectively and efficiently spent in service to those ends.

(PS: Defying authority isn't really a thing for him these days--duh--except sort of in that he doesn't actually have absolute power. He's tearing down oppressive old laws as fast as he can, so he's still defying the old structure despite his own position. It will be more a struggle for that ability to implement change once things settle, but for now, he's busy ripping down the ways authority had previously been implemented to build new ones. It's a weird thing, but hey, Tavi, there's nothing at all to be done about that.)

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Hahaha, this question is awesome. Baze defied the authority of the Empire for nineteen years, by killing Imperials, stealing food and weapons, and ultimately helping to steal the plans for the first Death Star--which he died doing.

That last bit is somewhat of a lie. Baze died because he failed to protect Chirrut, nothing more complicated than that. Chirrut sacrificed himself to get the plans out, and Baze followed after, because he couldn't live without his friend. The argument could be made that Baze was doomed the second he stepped foot on Scarif, but details.

Yamato will defy certain authorities constantly and for basically anything. School, government, etc don't mean a huge amount to him -- he's kind of the anti-Koushiro in that both of them are in very denigrated positions in society, but Koushiro reacts to it with extreme deference while Yamato reacts to it by refusing to defer to authority at all.

Taichi's authority is another matter altogether. Yamato will argue with Taichi a lot about plans, strategies, Taichi's behaviour, etc, but when Taichi gives a direct order (which he doesn't, usually), Yamato obeys immediately (and even though she's technically third-in-command to Yamato's second, he usually does what Sora tells him to, as well). Similarly, if it's to do with their particular field of expertise, he's pretty happy to let any of the lower-ranked Chosen exercise authority over him: He'll obey the medical advice of Jyou over the medical advice of actual doctors any day of the week.

As for what he'd die for, he's more than willing to die to protect someone, regardless of their personal relationship to him, and regardless of whether doing so will even be particularly effective. Tri has at least one incident of trying to shield a stranger from laser blasts with his back, despite the fact that his back is decidedly not laser-proof and they'd have died anyway.

Bahorel: What've you got? He will fight authority about pretty much anything, on general principles, and is...probably unwisely okay with dying. He'd certainly rather do that than accept even minor authority.

Joly: He'll fight authority for Science and Liberty! And less abstractly, for the lives of people trusting him, whether that's his friends or his patients. And that's worth dying for , too, though neither the fighting nor the dying would be his first choice, really.

Steven: Steven's mostly used to very reasonable authorities in the form of his adult guardians, but he'll fight even his loved ones if he thinks it'll save another person. That's the only thing he'd consider dying for, too (at least on purpose; he's often careless enough to be risking death for no particular reason at all, but that's just a lack of foresight.)

Gringoire- is prepared to die not at all, ever, for any reason, thank you no. He is reluctantly willing to briefly argue with authority for the sake of Djali, and that is the only thing he's ready to argue with authority about. Authority is dangerous and can kill you!

Garnet: Her freedom to be herself, others' freedom to do the same, Steven, Pearl, Amethyst...and anything she decided was right? She wouldn't even necessarily think of it as defying authority, because she's taken it on herself to be the authority.

Combeferre: liberty, science, progress, saving or helping other human beings (especially those he's close to but also perfect strangers)

Jehan Prouvaire: liberty (especially of expression or art), love, friendship, just making a defiant gesture

Fantine: her daughter, her self-respect

Brienne of Tarth: protecting anyone who needs it, helping anyone she's loyal to

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