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Welcome to day three of Pride month and one more day closer to the weekend! Assuming your weekend starts on Saturday.
Anyway, since it is Pride month, let's talk sexual orientation. Where does your pup fall in the spectrum? How about their gender identity? Do you as the mun agree with their answers? And what the heck, do you have a OTP for them or someone you ship them with?
Anyway, since it is Pride month, let's talk sexual orientation. Where does your pup fall in the spectrum? How about their gender identity? Do you as the mun agree with their answers? And what the heck, do you have a OTP for them or someone you ship them with?
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Zenigata is canonically bi (I'm sorry, but he's professed his love for Lupin many times, he's even used ai instead of daisuke, this is literally a confession of romantic love.) and cisgendered, though he's definitely into genderplay.
Vex is canonically bi and genderqueer, and flagrantly open about it. Bonus round: Vex is a shucker, which means he has sex with humans. This is generally considered kind of gross and perverse, a sort of fetish that's frowned on in Fae society.
Then there's Zuko, token straight. Honestly, I think Zuko's demisexual a this point, but that may be a function of trauma moreso than actual orientation. His inability to connect emotionally is a problem in his relationships, but he doesn't show much by the way of desire for anyone, and could be definitely be somewhere in the gray-ace spectrum. He wants to be loved, but unlike Sokka who is aggressively heterosexual with Suki, he never really puts the moves on anyone or seeks that kind of intimacy. So he's either gray-ace by orientation, or simply has difficulty with trust and desire due to the sort of hellscape of abuse he dealt with growing up. Could be up for interpretation. I do not buy the fanon bisexuality, though, and I don't think he's gay.
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Jo Harvelle → hunter/hero/vigilante (bi/pan) sexual; the version of her that pops up in All-Skates has a history of being with girls, with boys, with transpersons, an angel, and a supernatural being; she's really not looking for a place or a person to stop at, girl has other goals for her life
Lady Marian → 12th century straight & absolutely 100% gone on Caspian X
Sara Lance → a beautiful bi-cycle, Sara Lances loves boys and girls, has one-nighters and relationships with both; she skews more towards girls for one-nighters, but both for emotional connection/relationships; really not looking for anything serious as all of those keep dying
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what
really????
I haven't read Marvel outside of Ghost Rider and hulk for years, and I dropped the x-books back in like, 2002.
When did this happen?!
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(It's only maybe 1ish months behind right now, because the last months of virtual distance learning teaching killed me outright.)
Oh! Addendum, since I didn't clearly hit the 'when' unless you clicked things, too. Hickman's run of the X-books et al started summer of 2019 with House of X/Powers of X, has now run through all of Dawn of X, X of Swords, Reign of X! We're still in the last one, and currently in the big crossover for Hellfire Gala.
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this is so beautiful i could cry
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I die. It's just so perfect.
I never ever even dreamed this big.
I would like Hickman to stay forever.
To finally not have any drama from either triangle, but to have everyone getting their needs met, whatever those needs happen to be, with whoever they happen to be with, and no one has pissy, jealousy, angry, scared shouting-or-fisticuffs-or-psychic fights. We just have people being adults. Just living their lives. Please. Just take all my money. This is all I never knew I needed.
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OH, I did make an exception with X-Books for Generation X's reboot, but only because it gave me my secret ship of Jono/Jubilee.
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Abe no Seimei is, by contemporary standards, a cishet male and bi/pan. He also presents as what you might call metrosexual. But he resists being called any of these things, and to be fair it’s…complicated, okay?
Murderbot is agender and ace, but it does have a canonical OTP with a certain highly advanced transport…
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before he forgets about her and she spends seven years out in the cold. *cough*Currently she is in a monogamous relationship with Bucky Barnes and it is super cute.
Zinda Blake → Cis, for sure. Straight... probably? I can see the argument for a bi Zinda but canonically she's never shown any romantic or sexual interest in women. She for sure likes men. She does unerringly develop crushes on men who are completely unavailable to her, though, by light of them being either gay (Creote) or taken.
I have no OTPs for Zinda, but I always thought she and Steve Rogers would be great together. In other games she's flirted with Captain Jack Harkness, Hawkeye Pierce, Colonel Hogan, Steve Trevor, Howard Stark... the list goes on and on and on. She'll flirt with just about anybody, loves to smooch, and has zero interest in being in a long-term relationship of any kind.
Geralt of Rivia → Cis and sorceress-sexual. Seriously, he seems completely unable to resist a sorceress trying to seduce him. That being said, Geralt/Yennefer is my OTP.
Bonus round for Caspian X → Cis, pansexual, 100% gone on Lady Marian. (I don't believe for a second that those "Romps" in Narnia didn't end in absolutely everyone – humans, fauns, dryads, centaurs, nymphs, everyone – banging.)
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I honestly think Wei Wuxian has put ZERO thought into his sexuality at this point of his life. To be fair, he's had a few other things to think about, but... Yes.
Now, strictly canonically, he's gay. I mean, he flirts with half the cast, but it's almost a 'this is a fun word game to play and people like you for it' response. A slightly more lenient look would paint him as the disaster bi that I believe he is. HOWEVER. Given that the only person, in two lifetimes, he seriously contemplates a romantic and sexual relationship with is one Lan Wangji, I think he's demisexual, biromantic. Which is the long way of saying Lan Zhan is it, folks. As for gender... aiee. I mean. He's put even less thought into this than he has about his sexuality, let's all be honest. He's pretty much accepted the default as cis, mostly because why-would-it-be-anything-else, but he seems perfectly fine picking up more female-coded gestures or habits, so... do with that as you will. He certainly isn't.
Klaus is a pansexual cis man and will tell you all about it. :D And his OTP is Dave, omg writers for the Umbrella Academy give us a happy Klaus/Dave story YOU COWARDS.
Jon is an asexual biromantic cis man, and if you even think about hurting Martin Blackwood he is going to end you. Possibly with an axe, possibly with the power of Knowing You Too Much, depends on the day and the mood. RIP to that hunter guy in S5.
Cecil is a gay cis man, and ridiculously in love with one Carlos the Scientist.
Chief Gwi is a straight cis man as far as I can tell - the show doesn't do much to explore any of that with him, though he does return to his own body with no shifts in gender presentation after pretending to be other people. For him, there's only Weol-ju a this point, though he'd rather do any number of horrible things than tell her that right now (these two, I SWEAR). IDK if he ever actually considered anyone else, but he certainly didn't after meeting her, and we don't get a history prior to that. I suspect there were other girls once upon a time - that amount of smooth-talking takes practice.
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Kim Ford is cis, straight, and canonically + millicanonically in a relationship with Dave Martyniuk. She also has a second soul (Ysanne) resident within her that shares her gender identity and sexual orientation, so that's good, I guess?
Captain Jack Sparrow thinks that gender is complicated and so he doesn't worry about it or feel the need to strictly define himself in a binary fashion, although he uses he/his pronouns. He is pansexual, has a meaningful relationship with freedom, and his first and only love is the sea.
Moiraine is cis, canonically bisexual, and through millicanon is divorced from Dream of the Endless and currently in a relationship with Dale Cooper and living in Twin Peaks. Her first relationship was with Siuan Sanche when she was in her teens/early twenties, and in book canon at this point she'd be married to Thom Merrilin as her OTP... but see above about millicanon for what happened with that.
Bucky Barnes is cis, mostly but not entirely straight (there is not enough space in this comment for me to launch into a detailed discussion of queer coding and the MCU especially when it comes to Bucky but please feel free to ping me if you would like to hear or read my thoughts on this), and currently in a monogamous relationship with Sharon Carter. Previously he was in a relationship with Natasha Romanoff (comics canon, millicanon, and MCU-hinted-at-canon). And yes, his bond with Steve Rogers endures forever.
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One pan: Hannibal Lecter
One demi: Galen Erso (only ever interested in specific people regardless of gender, first his wife Lyra, then Bodhi)
Two ace: Father Harman, Wen Ning
Two gay: Tan Fang, Ye Baiyi (both monogamous* characters from different Chinese BL novels / 'censored romance' shows)
Three bi: Ragnar, Jiggy, Teja (the fact that Pyrrha is trans doesn't make him pan)
One vampire: Lady Margolotta of Überwald
* with the added 'bonus' that poor YBY's one love was unrequited or at least never admitted to
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Sabine is at least a woman who loves women. I can see an argument for bisexuality, but I prefer her to be a lesbian. I don't know that I ship her anyone, but in the past, she definitely had something going with Ketsu Onyo. Sabine is also cis and I think comfortable.
Jessica is definitely bisexual, although only recent canon has moved from subtext to not-quite-bold text, and she finds strong women hawt; the bigger the guns the better. I like the idea of Carol and Jess but I'm not so certain they'd be healthy for each other. I also like the idea of Lindsey and Jess, and since Lindsey is supposed to be coming back soon, I have hopes. Cis and happy.
Viv is a lesbian, although she has yet to date anyone. She's kissed a boy and it didn't do anything for her. She has not explored gender identity to any great extent but is okay with how she was programmed. (Viz did get her free will to update her own programming, so this could change.) I like the idea of Viv and Riri, but not until Riri shows any return on the attraction. Things are tense between them in recent canon and I hope they get to find their way past it.
Ben Hargreeves is straight or at least prefers woman if not. We only get to see him express interest in one person, so I don't know for sure. Perhaps the next season will change things. He is also cis.
Tybalt is bisexual and happily male. It could be interesting to see what he is like with a gender swap.
Alustin is poly in canon, though I don't know if the author would use that term. Alustin avoids lengthy liaisons though he is responsible in how he approaches romances. I headcanon him as pansexual and he is cis and fine.
Wen Qing would not use labels, I am guessing. I see her as being attracted to women, but accepts marriage to a man would be something she is expected to do in order to continue her family line. She is cis as well. I ship her with Jiang Yanli, primarily for some very subtle body language rather than many interactions in canon.
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Gabumon is -- well, he's a Digimon, so he doesn't have a physical sex (this is true even for Digimon for whom secondary sexual characteristics is a big part of their design -- LadyDevimon and Angewomon literally have their genders in their name, but in the same way that a Bakemon is named and designed after a ghost but is actually a living being that just resembles a ghost. Gabumon himself is designed after an exclusively female role in kabuki theatre).
He tends to identify as male, and he does so across all evolutions, but Digimon are canonically all some degree of gender-fluid and re-evaluate their gender with each new form they take, so that's as much coincidence as anything. In Tamers, one of the partner Digimon, Renamon, is asked if she's male or female, and basically says that she only nominally understands or cares about ideas of gender but she supposes she identifies as female, and that about sums up where most Digimon are at.
Similarly, Digimon don't sexually reproduce, don't have any interest in sex for fun (and physically lack the capacity for it anyway), and don't have a concept of romance, and Gabumon's pretty in line with the norm there.
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Harry: by existing canon narrative, he's garden variety, cis, straight, white guy, and he'll probably stay that way through the series. however, being a wizard, assuming he doesn't off himself through his own
stupiditysense of duty or heroism or whatever, he could live a v v long time, whereby he'd probably open up his horizons and see what else is out there. No OTP here either (i don't really do those - i just tinker around and see what works) - but i do like him paired with Carlos Ramirezno subject
Same deal with Urania. I headcanon her as aro/ace.
Phoenix has had romantic feelings in canon, but has so much goddamn homoerotic tension with his rival/friend Miles Edgeworth that someone actually wrote a newspaper article about it recently (https://phantomkinoc13.tumblr.com/post/652938595224731648/ace-attorney-is-in-the-newspaper-as-queer)
I forever see him as bi and in love with Edgeworth.
I choose to see Snufkin, along with everyone else in Moominvalley, as bisexual, same as its creator, Tove Jannson. He may also be nonbinary, but a Snufkin tends to keep that sort of thing private.
Lup is a transwoman, the only one of my pups to be canonically queer. I'm not sure if I see her as straight or bi, but I can't ship her with anyone apart from Barry.
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Wormwood doesn't have the parts that humans (or their anthropomorphic pig neighbours) do, or even anything particularly similar; they reproduce by self-fertilization, although without the gem in their chest their offspring are just mundane plants instead of mini-Wormwoods. In human terms this is closest to being genderqueer and asexual, though it's not exactly the same thing. (I'm not sure if they're attracted to other humanoids romantically.) Wormwood themself doesn't really put a lot of thought into this and just goes along with however other people want to gender them.
Thurlow is pansexual, aromantic, and agender. Fallen London has basically eradicated homophobia locally by order of the Masters of the Bazaar, because it was interfering with their efforts to collect love stories; the gender binary is also weakened quite a bit by the Masters' influence because while they use masculine titles and sometimes he/him pronouns they don't really go in for gender aside from that. However, they haven't had the proliferation of LGBTQ language that our era does, so Thurlow self-describes as "neither a man nor a woman", and "an Individual of Mysterious and Indistinct Gender" has caught on somewhat for Londoners who don't want to affiliate themself with one side of the binary.
Aradia and Cirava are both from the planet Alternia, where most people are bisexual as a side effect of the way their species' reproduction works; any combination of genders is reproductively viable, although for whatever reason (I have theories but canon doesn't say) they do still have two main genders with most people being one or the other. They're both normative for their species in terms of sexuality but Cirava's non-binary.
(Some trolls are exclusively gay, such as Kanaya, and I think this is about as common as gay humans, but it's a less obvious identity in a context where lots of people have same-gender partners by happenstance rather than preference so there isn't a term for it that's well-known enough for a bunch of six-sweep-olds to recognise. I'm not sure if the reverse phenomenon exists or if Alternia just doesn't have any straight people. Asexuals might exist, but reproduction is compulsory, so during drone season they'd likely have some problems.)
Bastion wasn't programmed with a gender or sexuality, and hasn't had any interest in adding either one to themself. (Romantic interest is harder to separate out, but if they're not aromantic they're probably either grey-aro or just not a very romance-focused person.) They're good enough at recognising gender to use 'he' for humans that are obviously and straightforwardly presenting as male, and 'she' for humans that are obviously and straightforwardly presenting as female; everyone else is 'them' until indicated otherwise (in English, which is their most used human language nowadays but not their primary one; gender-neutral language in German is trickier). They barely notice what pronouns people use for them and the broader significance is largely lost on them, although I as the mun like they/them as their #1 set.
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He does present as male and occasionally acts in ways that would be considered stereotypically masculine in Western society, so maybe it does? idk
He is enthusiastically sexual in all possible ways with anyone who's down with it. Or up for it.
Tolkien was big on the whole soulmate thing with elves. And yet, a lot of very notable elves are very single.
My take is that texts may say one thing but reality is messy and sometimes, you just love someone.
Elrond loves Celebrian and cannot imagine anything different, but he is fairly open minded.
(Arwen is different because of the whole mortality thing, and he does realize that he has issues, but -)
Eric is a vampire and doesn't give a fuck about your boxes.
As a human, he was very male and very straight.
He still sees himself mostly that way even if it doesn't really align with - well anything really.
He's an opportunist and while he may occasionally disprove his theory that you need glands to love humans, he will eventuelt always look out for himself.
(Unless Godric returned in which case he'd literally only have eyes for him. And he's rather not think about that).
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Quentin is a bisexual cis man Daoine Sidhe who in canon dated a woman, is currently dating Yamato and in canon ends up dating another guy.
Charles is a bisexual cis man who's in love with Erik.
Sameth is a straight cis man.
Moist von Lipwig is a bisexual cis man who tried a relationship once and wasn't a fan. He's much happier to have fun.
Demeter is a straight cis Goddess, others in her family are more fluid but to me Demeter prefers men.
Both the Wills and Ivan are all straight cis men.
Tumnus is a faun and I've never been sure about his sexuality, I think because its not an aspect of him that comes into play very often. He's a male Faun.
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Sherlock is probably ace canonically, given "[Girlfriends] are not really my area" and "I consider myself married to my work" and "I know what kind of man you are." Millicanon is he is married to Jim Moriarty and madly happy, though this passionate relationship has not changed his opinion that love is dangerous is so many ways. He's basically ace/demisexual, homoromantic, and cis. As for my opinion of it all, I used to ship Sherlock/John, but then Moriarty came along :). They're my OTP to the point that they've inspired me to make quite a few things in other media.
John is canonically bi, and cis. I agree with this, I'm good with it, and I like letting him be a village bicycle. I ship him with Lucifer Morningstar, TV version, and have written quite a lot of fic about them. I was also quite happy to see a recent miniseries in the comics that plays with this, too.
Mabel and Dipper are both cis and straight, but they're also only 12 in the series and there are possibilities things may change.