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[be-holden.livejournal.com]

Holden is an inveterate observer. So I would love to beg a few of you to give me some things Holden could notice about your characters while he is at work. I don't want to just notice the obvious things and I don't want to fool with your version of your character - so any volunteers? I can help work out what sort of things Holden would notice. :D

Also - Holden has a copy of "Catcher in the Rye" and is still trying to figure out if he is dead, imaginary, or insane. He is gearing up to talk to people about it. Anyone? Too meta?

He produced all seven HP books from the bar in front of Angie - who made him put them back.

Anyone want to get meta with me and Holden? Has this been done? I've been trying to go back and see. Hamlet told me that Ophelia gave him a copy of his play.


ETA: I didn't mean let's make all charaters meta! I just meant the meta that has already been introduced by Holden's having a copy of "Catcher in the Rye" and the questioning of a fictional charaters own reality being put forward by an interpretation of that character in an RPG as the meta. If all the characters started producing their canon from the bar - I think it would be silly. :D

Tonks and Holden have started a conversation about "Reality" - and although Holden is muddled - you'll all have to watch me and my SOPHISTRY!

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[arrakis-witch.livejournal.com]

Alia'll be in tonight. Things to notice: All blue eyes, over maturity, psychosis...

[be-holden.livejournal.com]

I don't know your canon at all. I meant more like personality tics - or a way of doing or saying things that lead Holden to infer that people are okay or are phonies in his book.

While anyone in the bar might notice the blue eyes, or psychosis - Holden might notice that she clutches her drink with both hands or that she stares people either too directly or not directly in the eye when talking to them.

I'll be around later if you want to discuss.

[toddbaby.livejournal.com]

I'm interested, since not only has Todd read Catcher in the Rye, but he's from a book himself. In his case, he's found that he can only read it up to the part where he is right now. The rest is blank pages.

Playing with Todd is dangerous, etc. etc., but if you're interested...why am I starting to feel like a drug pusher or something? :}

[be-holden.livejournal.com]

Holden does not like Todd. So that could be interesting. Why is Todd so damn creepy? I mean other than that he is a creation of Stephen King's? (I've never read the book - and I am pretty sure I never will because HP is about as scary as I can handle.)

[jcrichton.livejournal.com]

Crichton's a good person to talk to about reality. He managed to calm down a ninja turtle in the same position, after all... :)

[apoetneedspain.livejournal.com]

*squee* I meant to do this before, but I just need to squee at how perfectly IC you have John. I mean, I've seen about 3 episodes of Farscape (and those happen to be very eclectic episodes, mark you) and you play him to a "T".

Whee!

(apoetneedspain, who plays notsoyoung and angelus_amadeo)

[be-holden.livejournal.com]

Cool, we'll have to get them together for a chat. :D

[notsoyoung.livejournal.com]

I just gotta say - the idea is a good one. Stephen King used it in one of the Dark Tower books, with the Reverend from... I think it was Pet Cemetery?... who was wondering if he was just going crazy, thinking about whether he was real or fictional.

Also, Holden's fabulous. Just thought I'd let you know.

[be-holden.livejournal.com]

I have never read a S.K. book beyond excerpts from the one on writing. I am a big scardie cat. :D

Thanks for the compliment. :D

[wtfbrain.livejournal.com]

Yep, Father Callahan from 'Salem's Lot (which was made a travesty of in the TNT miniseries, yuck). And of course Eddie & Roland had moments like that in the last couple of books (trying not to give away anything for people who didn't read the books yet).

(Argh. dementia42 = bloodandsouls and ring_master

[giftedthom.livejournal.com]

Holden is precious. I had to say that. *hides*

As for noticing...um. Thom does everything carelessly - sitting and drink-holding and so on. He bites his lip a lot. And when he smiles, it's almost never because he's actually happy. He stares at people he doesn't know a lot, and longer than is normal or comfortable. People he does know he doesn't look at much. You may've noticed the laughing fits. Er. *hopes something in there is helpful*

[be-holden.livejournal.com]

It is helpful!

I've read the Lioness quartet - so I know the canon. But I can't remember what happens to Thom. He brings the Duke back right? And then I can't remember what happens...

Are you playing Thom as dead?

[leplusbeau]

He can always play with Fleur. And bringing up the Harry Potter books would just make her squeak at him alot and start talking asking him questions about how all her sexcapades were handled.

[be-holden.livejournal.com]

hee! That could be fun. Holden likes girls a lot and he is definitle attracted to them and to Fleur - but he is also terrified. :D

[blue_ajah]

...give me some things Holden could notice about your characters while he is at work.

Moiraine's physical description is on her userinfo page, so I won't bother reiterating that here. If you're not familiar with Wheel of Time canon-- Holden might notice a generally serene and calm manner and a particular way of speaking. More specifically with respect to the latter: Moiraine speaks no word that is not true. Literally.

And yet, it is said that the truth an Aes Sedai speaks is not always the truth you think you hear. ;)

If it's not too much trouble, though, I'd ask that Holden not produce all 11 books or confront Moiraine with that issue, please. :) Thanks! (I'll explain the reasoning on this if you want to know.)

[be-holden.livejournal.com]

No no. I think he is too freaked out to ask the bar for any more books about anyone there. :D

He may ask for books about Milliways though. ;)

[mnt_raph]

Hmmm.
Well, Raph still tends to use his hands like he's only got two fingers and a thumb. Before he moves to a new location he subtly scouts it out first. He'll turn his whole body before he'll twist, side effect of not having a shell anymore.

I'm not sure how Raph'd take being shown the cartoon or the comics. He's spending an awful lot of time trying to forget anything about his New York, so it's a crap shoot really.

[be-holden.livejournal.com]

Well, Holden is too freaked to ask the bar for anything else. But that doesn't mean he won't ask people he feels are "okay" what they think about the book he found.

:D

He and Raph haven't really talked yet - have they? Have they even met?

[missginnytonic.livejournal.com]

I'm not sure What Ginny would do if you showed her the HArry Potter books but she may find them Fasinating that soem one wrote a Biograghy about her Friends that included her.


Ginny is really Niave. But she's got a Will to learn and nice to a Fault. she wants to make every one feel welcome. adn she's Scared of Tom Riddle. She' has a Spunk. And a New liking for all things that can't be gotten in her world. From Coke to Weapons. She'll Try any thing once.

[be-holden.livejournal.com]

Well, Holden is not going to pull anymore books out of the bar - about people he has met at Milliways. It was creepy when he and Angelina say the HP books.

I think Holden will shy away from Ginny because he is a little worried she might have a crush on him. :D

[clumsy_auror]

Well, feel free to observe Tonks being a complete klutz whenever you like. :) I also see her as being slightly high-strung, so she's probably got a couple of nervous ticks -- fingertapping, leg jiggling, etc.

As for the less obvious...Tonks is pretty self-confident, most of the time, but she worries about letting people down. A lot. She's very young, probably one of the youngest aurors, period, so I would imagine that she feels the pressure to do well very keenly. That spills over into her personal life, too.

[be-holden.livejournal.com]

Um, and Holden thinks she is cute. :">

[lord-of-dreams.livejournal.com]

Dream is devoid of habitual tics. He tends to forget to do things such as breathe, blink, shift in his seat etc. unless he is talking to someone. Even then, its fairly obvious that humanity is a guise he puts on to avoid freaking people out.

Not that he's a bad anthropomorphism, he just doesn't do human well.

[be-holden.livejournal.com]

He is kind of like Pratchett's Death but more elegant and less funny. :D

Dream - I know.

[call-me-pepper.livejournal.com]

Well, as Holden has already discovered, Pepper is prone to going on the offensive when it comes to her radical convictions. XD She also tends to take offense when it may not actually be present.

She's very uncomfortable around strong emotion, hence her reaction to Holden's tears--- it panics her a little. She herself is tremendously self-controlled and can't imagine being willing to humiliate herself with such a public outburst.

She tends to bite her nails. She consciously carries herself as a boy, and dresses in an extremely tomboyish fashion. When talking to extremely girly girls, she tends to be just slightly condescending. She's obviously much more comfortable hanging with the boys, and is not so much offended as sarcastically amused at being approached (especially by men) as a Girl-girl. Also at being offered girly drinks-- she nearly always drinks beer or cider.

Hope this helps!

[be-holden.livejournal.com]

yay! I know Good Omens canon - but your particular take on Pepper was what I wanted. :D

And it is good that he has already interacted with her - so that thinking about her latter won't seem so random.

Poor boy is quite confused about why the children starve when the cows eat all the grass, btw. :D

I can see them getting on when Holden isn't crying - which he doesn't really do much.

[balletrat]

Well, if you're interested in noticing Things About Meg Giry (Phantom of the Opera canon), here's a few:

She almost never orders anything in the bar, especially not food, and tends not to finish what she has if she did order.

She always sits on the edges of the chair or stool, like she's about to hop off at any moment.

She is not comfortable around angels, even the ones she likes - she fidgets more when she's around them.

Her cheeks are always red, but if you look closely you can tell it's more the red of hectic energy than of good health, and she often seems a bit too pale.

The more tired she is, the more hyper she gets.

She likes to pretend that she's cosmopolitan and nothing shocks her, and she's rather good about pretending to be blase, but in point of fact most things at Milliways come as a shock.

If she read her own canon, she'd probably take it as a fact-based history of her case and have no idea it was fiction - after all, that's how it's introduced by the author. She would, however, be vexed by the things he got wrong.

[be-holden.livejournal.com]

Well, I think I need to edit my post. I wasnt meaning to suggest that Holden produce everyone's canon material or anything.

More like who would be willing to explore the question of Holden't identity - rela human being or fictional character, never mind interpetation of a fictional character in an RPG. :D

Sorry - was philosophy major.

*shoots self*

[timsbooks.livejournal.com]

Tim has been investigating this as well, mainly because he's spotted quite a few fictional charachters here already....

Hasn;t found or even looked for his own fiction yet.

[fairest1.livejournal.com]

If you're looking to discuss the matter again, try talking to Snow - she's fully aware of the Grimm Brothers' version, the Disney movie, and so forth within her own cannon - but she doesn't realize that her current exploits are documented in comic book form. Likely not a good idea, because it'd just get her hopes up for finding out the things she really wants to know - who the Adversary is, what happened during those mysetrious three days - which the comic barely even hints at.

[glorious-figure.livejournal.com]

All right, I forgot to log into the right account again, so pretend this is being posted by desert_worm.

Luke tends not to use his right hand. Although he tries to hide it, he tends toward the jumpy; every once in a while, he can't quite stop himself from reaching for the lightsaber and ends up trying to cover it by reaching into his pocket for something he doesn't actually want to get out, or similar. He orders water and overpays for it. And that's all I know so far, since he hasn't actually entered RP yet.

[sign-seeker.livejournal.com]

Will's described several times in canon as being subtly reassuring in his normality -- cheerful, occasionally vague, very down-to-earth. Except, y'know, when he's being an Old One and therefore not quite normal at all, which tends to come as a bit of a jolt to those who are observant and/or knowledgeable enough to pick up on the switch. (Which isn't exactly an on/off switch, by the way; it's more that Will has two quite different ways of looking at and living in the world, and one or the other will color his thoughts to different degrees depending on the situation. He can be all normal boy or all Old One, but he can also be in-between.)

He's quite mature for his age, and always has been: calm, rarely quarrelling even when someone else wants to, able to step back and regard a situation relatively dispassionately. He's athletic, in the careless sort of way that comes not of sports but of farm chores and cycling around the town and scrambling around hillsides with friends and siblings. His actions thus tend to be deliberate and enthusiastic -- he digs into food rather than nibbling at it, scrambles or hikes or trudges rather than just walking, sits solidly in a chair rather than perching in it. He's a bit untidy -- not sloppy, but his hair flops in his eyes constantly, and such. If he's in boy mode and the conversation is touching on things that could concern his Old One half, he'll often go rather vague. (Teenaged boy mode is his default, by the way, and it's certainly the one he'd be in around Holden unless something else were happening that pushed him into thinking and acting as an Old One.) He's pretty good at concealing his emotions, when he feels he should, but he doesn't bother if there's no reason, and in fact sometimes gets quite loudly cheerful when he's having fun.

When he's thinking as an Old One, by the way, he seems much graver and older, though nothing about his appearance changes. He stands straighter, moves more deliberately, speaks and moves more formally. He's much more aware of his own power and dignity, but in a way that takes it for granted and feels no need to prove it to anyone; if they're worth proving it to, they can already tell.

Does that help?