An idea for April Fool's: Mun-Day!

[feminine-menace.livejournal.com]

Certain people have mentioned on crackchat (you know who you are!) that since pups have been able to "invade" the back room on multiple occasions, muns should be able to invade the bar. I think this sounds like a fun idea for April Fool's day, assuming it won't drive the mods crazy - let the muns have a day to go into Milliways and play themselves.

If the mods don't want to go approving all the mun accounts for the bar proper, maybe one of them can make a special post that all the muns can just reply to - treat that post as the community, and the "first replies" by various muns as posts in their own right, starting new threads.

I would really love to do something like this, so I could get to know the players behind my fellow pups a little better.

Comments

[socalcharger.livejournal.com]

ALSO ALSO ALSO.

We could do it the day AFTER April Fool's--since that's on a Sunday this year-- and REALLY have Munday! ^_^

Just sayin'.

Though I'd prefer if it were okay for the muns to blunder in much as pups do. The variety of ways we'd enter the Bar, and which classes the Uni muns would conveniently be putting off... *shrug* Just a thought.

[wanttobeatree.livejournal.com]

I think it's kind of standard procedure to take plot ideas to the mods first.

[feminine-menace.livejournal.com]

Well, I just want to see how much support there is for this idea (and hope that the mods will take notice).

[bcgphoenix]

Er...

Not to come across as a spoilsport, but personally, I don't think this sounds like the best idea. Breaking the fourth wall in the back room, where it's not going to have any impact on game canon, is one thing. Breaking it in the bar itself to this extent is something else altogether.

[poisonwine]

*seconds that*

[agonistes]

I'm...really against this. A lot. Because characters would have to acknowledge this as Millicanon, and that level of meta isn't something I want to tangle with, and it's not something I want my characters to tangle with.

I've played myself in the back room fourth wall posts. I'm not the only one who's done so. It's not like there haven't been opportunities to do this before.

If you want to get to know muns, why don't you friend their LJs?

[feminine-menace.livejournal.com]

I've friended a few muns' LJs, with my own main account.

I really don't see what the problem is of pups having to acknowledge this as Millicanon. I do like roleplaying at Milliways, and while I have made some goof-ups, I try to respect others and follow the rules - but it is just pretend, it's something we do on a message board, and assuming those involved in any given plot/silliness/crack/whatever agree on some ground rules, we can do whatever we want.

I've seen peope retcon things more than a few times, and it's perfectly okay. And it's standard to carry on multiple conversation threads from one post, ones that couldn't actually take place sequentially (much less at the same time), and then have our pups acknowledge all of them later, through the magic of Millitime.

What I'm saying is, we already make plenty of allowances for retconning and mistakes and timelines and such. We don't have to have our pups acknowledge the presence of muns, because while the muns are in the bar, they can just interact with each other, not the pups. And we can have the mun-day happen in a Millispace, if you will.

This kind of thing isn't necessarily going to destroy the integrity of Milliways, if there really is any, as long as the mods think it's okay and find a good way to pull it off.

[agonistes]

If this is going to get retconned, what's the point of doing it at all? I play in Milliways for the sake of making characters evolve (among other things, but that's the primary reason). To do something like this and then say it didn't happen is a waste of time.

And something else: I do enough philosophical and meta-tastic things in my daily life. I don't want my down-time hobby to turn into just another Borges short story I have to attempt to unravel, but this time from eight or nine perspectives.

You're right. This is Pretendy Funtime Games. Keyword being Funtime. Not massive inconvenience that I'll have to interrupt my ongoing plots to acknowledge and that will get retconned anyhow.

I'm not a mod. I'm giving feedback as a fellow mun, and I'm assuming the mod team is going to have a look at this post at some point and make a decision. I want my opinion on this post.

[feminine-menace.livejournal.com]

Again, I don't see what the problem is. If you think participating in a Mun-Day would be a waste of time, you don't have to do it. The idea is not to make everyone do it, just people who want to. And the muns are not going to be talking to the pups, just each other. At worst you'll have to scroll past some mun posts and maybe go back a page or two to find RP posts. That's it. Again, the muns and pups aren't going to interact at all.

I thought people would take it for granted that I meant Mun-Day is meant to be opt-in, and you don' thave to do it if you don't want to.

[agonistes]

So what's the difference between that and what gets done in the back room?

[silverpenlight.livejournal.com]

Then, sorry, what would be the point of having it in the bar? Couldn't we just as easily have it in the back room? Not to mention we'd have to think up an explanation for why no pup is noticing all these random people showing up and talking to each other.

I just...I don't know, I think it just sounds a lot like the things we do in the back room, and I'm not seeing the point or purpose of having it in the bar.

*shrugs*

[wanttobeatree.livejournal.com]

Seconded.

[prix-etoile.livejournal.com]

thirded.

[jezrana.livejournal.com]

Seconding what some others have already pointed out--even if there is support for the idea, it might be better to propose this to a mod outside the comm and see if they'd even allow it.

(Also, the one time in my memory where the fourth wall did get broken in the bar instead of just the backroom, it was asked that that sort of thing not happen again. So not to be a spoilsport, but I don't know how the mods are gonna feel about the idea.)

[prix-etoile.livejournal.com]

It's sort of like...having someone canon punctured. How would you feel meeting the person that plays you? Put you through crap and made you come and stay at this Bar, with all these people you don't know? It's like the backroom thing, only twenty million times worse, because it's millicanon.

Sorry, I don't want my pups beating my brains in. o__o;;

[innerbrat]

I still think

League of Gentlemen: Apocalypse

should be required viewing for all Millimuns

[prix-etoile.livejournal.com]

If only I were in England. :P

[innerbrat]

I'm sure it came out over there, it's just no one saw it because the TV show is fecking scary.

However, the interaction between the "fictional" and the "non-fictional" is fascinating.

[prix-etoile.livejournal.com]

If it did, it was...probably on a channel I don't get. :O

I read a little tidbit on it...and it sounds interesting!

[innerbrat]

I meant the movie, not the show.

The show was very very strange.

[prix-etoile.livejournal.com]

Then the movie somewhere in a bargain box in hell, perhaps.

Wait no, this is the South. Silly me, we don't believe in the British down here. You are all just LIES TOLD TO SMALL CHILDREN TO SCARE THEM.

At least in Greenwood.

[agoodshinkickin.livejournal.com]

I would imagine that playing Actual People with no Fictional Canon would fall under the heading of playing Original Characters, which if memory serves is Verboten in Milliways.

I mean, unless someone actually has fictional canon in which they appear, then I'd imagine that'd be A.O.K.

This is totally separate from my dislike of Real Person Fiction, you know, for the record.

[prix-etoile.livejournal.com]

But you'd still have to have someone else play you, wouldn't you? 'Cause if you played yourself...that'd still be an OC, eh?

...I think I just hurt my head thinking.

[agoodshinkickin.livejournal.com]

Nahh, I think if you have an actual canon then it'd be okay for you to play you.

Man....can you imagine a bunch of people in Milliways using their real lives for canon?

It'd be nothing but a full page of Entrance Post reading: She sits in front of her computer, typing frantically, and not paying much attention to anything else going on around her.

[prix-etoile.livejournal.com]

Ahahaha, MOST BORING RP GAME EVER.

I'd not join. *stuck up voice*

[agoodshinkickin.livejournal.com]

Bing: She sits at a desk clearly decorated by a blind child with ADD. Awful angry music plays loudly in the background. A nondescript brunette types furiously on a keyboard in an attempt to be ANYWHERE that isn't actually her desk.

Every now and again she looks up at the clock mounted on the wall and sighs. For some reason the clock on her computer screen just isn't as credible as the slowly spinning hands of the wall mounted time piece.

[prix-etoile.livejournal.com]

Oh good job, I just watered my keyboard with Coke. :P

Hmm...


Kyle: She's curled up in her lofted bed, earpods in, listening to whatever iTunes has deemed worthy (right now, it appears to be Can't Make Me Love You by Butterfly Boucher and now she's emo 'cause it's Wes/Inyri), hidden with her blankets and pillows and stuffed animals. Two posters are on the wall by her head: Garden State and Serenity.

The people below her on the floor recieve no attention as they laugh and joke about the movie they are watching.

Nothing is more fun than sitting here. With her laptop.

Absolutely has nothing to do with the post.

[muji]

I can't tell you how awesome I think that icon is, which is hysterical because it's actually a picture you took.

I think it has something to do with Cati brooding inna corner. :O!

Re: Absolutely has nothing to do with the post.

[prix-etoile.livejournal.com]

Hahaha Cati totally makes this picture. She's the emo!ninja!!

[batyatoon]

For the record, I know a couple of people who've been written into other people's fiction. I believe the industry term is Tuckerization.

If a minor character called Zev Sero (from a Tanya Huff novel) ever shows up at Milliways, tell him Batya says hi.

[agoodshinkickin.livejournal.com]

I long for someone to try and app Lady from the Thirteenth Dimension.

MWahahahaha!

[darksunlight.livejournal.com]

Uhm.

*looks shifty.*

Opening to the riverworld series includes the line


"Everyone who ever lived on the earth is there, even you."

So, technically? You could, like, be playing yourself pre canon, before going to the riverworld.....

[adiva_calandia]

Well, yeah, but you'd still have to go through the whole app process. :P

[stbethadettes]

I'm afraid I'm uncomfortable enough with the idea to feel the need to make sure my opinion's on this post, too.

The back room is pretty specifically made for stuff like this (just check the profile, after all), and the back room is where I feel it should stay.

[leeshajoy.livejournal.com]

This will not happen, for two reasons.

1.) There's already an April Fool's Day (http://community.livejournal.com/ways_back_room/2819575.html) event in the works.
2.) Pup/mun interaction happens in the back room (http://community.livejournal.com/ways_back_room/2796146.html) on a regular basis.

That is all.

[varadia]

Yeah, I'm standing over here with the 'omg please no' group.

For the record.

We do the same thing in the back room, and it's totally no harm no foul.

[not_that_spike]

Do it in the back room, or start in your own journal and invite people over by a back room link. But please, not in the bar, for the reasons everyone else has already stated.

Besides, some of my characters would have to kill me off over what I've done to them, and then who'd be there to clean up the mess?

[angela-edmunds.livejournal.com]

Oh, totally. I mean, Elaine might be nice, but Angela would *kill* me. :)

See? She's already got her gun out.

[hcliffhuxtable.livejournal.com]

since pups have been able to "invade" the back room on multiple occasions, muns should be able to invade the bar.

The Back Room was officially set up to allow both players and characters to use it. The Bar is a character community.

A number of players may not feel comfortable at all with a proposal like this; for myself, I RP to have a breather from mun life. The Bar rule on mun privacy is there for a reason, too.

[minkhollow]

It sounds cool, in theory. But in practice I don't think it'd work out half so neatly. Like Kyle said, it's kinda like canon-puncturing.

[indy-go.livejournal.com]

I'm making this comment without first checking with my fellow mods, but if I recall correctly (and I'm 99% sure I do), we have said no to this type of request before. It's problematic in so many ways that I cannot even begin to list them.

And yes, in the future, please contact the mods directly with plot ideas.

[indy-go.livejournal.com]

Clarifying because my previous comment sounded a bit terse -- I certainly wasn't meaning to call you onto the carpet or demeaning you for wanting to do a plot. We certainly do encourage that. And, unless I'm mistaken, I don't think you were a player when this has come up previously, so you couldn't have been aware of that. In conclusion: thanks for the idea, but I'm afraid not.

[whisper2ascream.livejournal.com]

Most have stated similar reasons why it's not for the bar proper. We got Back Room for such fun, and better not to make our pups head explode in canon proper. And yes, there's body switching plot for April Fool's already, which should be a lot of cracky love.

And glad people are being carefully on wording. Thank you. I personally don't want to lose more good muns over wank again.

[cupenny.livejournal.com]

We've done 4th-wall-breaking posts in the back room before, for crack and silliness. That's fine and good-

But... I will also have to add in my two cents for "Not in the Bar Proper, please", for most of the various reasons listed by others above.

[mm_madb]

Add me to the list of no. It's just a bad idea in so many ways. That's what the Back Room is for.

[there-is-a-me.livejournal.com]

At this point I'm going to add more (this being one of the characters of the Madb).

If you want to get to know me, ping me. My LJ and my AIM are exactly the same. Talk to me. You won't know me through thought-out comments and carefully crafted attempts to work a story, even if it's a crack story. You won't know me through the backroom 4th wall breaking things. You won't have a chance to know me unless you talk to me, personally. The "mun behind the keyboard" is far, far different from even the Madb who types into LJ comment boxes. I think about these far, far more (Yeah, I hear those of you who know me well snickering to yourselves) than I do my AIM conversations.

The only reason to have an in-bar version of the 4th Wall threads is to add it to continuity. Writing something with the plan that it will be retconned is somewhat like spending time planning a party and then tossing the invitations in the trash before they get sent out.

A bar-wide plot, even a crackplot, should have long-term effects of some sort. They may be small, or almost without talking about, but people should be able to point and say "Anthy's curry makes people change forms" or "nightmares fucking suck" or something. Writing a full-bar plot with the idea that it should be utterly ignored by some people goes against the purpose of bar-wide plots.

[darksunlight.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I'm gonan have to agree with everyone else. Cool idea, but, well, they'd all kill us. Well, mine would.

But I've always pondered starting a side community "Munways" That would allow muns to interact ina fictional environment.... but, I'm weird.

[first-sixth.livejournal.com]

Back Room, simple as that.

I've got to stand 100% in opposition of the idea. It would be canon puncturing to unprecedented degrees -- imagine how you would feel if you were sitting and having a drink, and suddenly a wave of people surged into the establishment and informed you that you, your friends, everyone around you, and indeed the very bar in which you were sitting were nothing more than fictional weavings?

As the icing on the cake, they tell you that they are godmodding your every move, and that they are responsible for you getting dropped into this very bizarre place without warning, whenever they feel like it.

There's no point in doing something in the bar if you're planning on retconning. Sometimes retcons have to happen, and that's okay. But never go into a plot planning on retconning, especially not a bar-wide plot!

Tommy, for one, has enough Major Fucking Life Crises to deal with right now, as does his mun. I'm glad that you're thinking of ways to involve everyone, but I'm sorry, no way would this one ever work, and it would be beyond disastrous to try.