ways_back_room | Spontaneous Emergency Daily Entertainment -- books edition

My pups remain blissfully ignorant of each other and of their canons.

Kirk is a voracious reader, and my sense is that he is a big Mark Twain fan. I suspect that Innocents Abroad is a favorite.

Knox is not a big reader of books, but he thinks that Truman Capote's In Cold Blood is a classic work of New Journalism.

Gibbs is barely literate and Cy isn't much on books.

Charlie isn't telling me what he likes, but he is a huge reader of all sorts of things.

Mine know each other, but not their canon. Apart from long ago, when I had 'Suti read Tolkien (before any Tolkien pups arrived), and then later I got Maglor...

But I actually meant 'reading other people's pups' canons' or other people's pups reading yours.

Note to self: close mouth when coworker is going crazy with the compressed air.

Tastes like POISON.

Um, to actually answer the question ... a lot of my pups reallyyyy aren't readers. Sam likes the Boogie Bear series of books for kids who are just learning how to read, and that's pretty much it. She'll eventually make a bet that she can read a whole book, though, and will enter into the reading reluctantly but wind up becoming totally engrossed in The Penny Saver. (Note: these are both canonical and totally fictional. Nine times out of 10, the iCarly writers choose to make something up rather than make a reference to real pop culture.)

Hawkeye is a Joy of Nudity afficionado, though that is a magazine and not a book. He has a certain sentimental attachment to The Last of the Mohicans. Guillermo del Toro says that Liz's favorite book is Catcher in the Rye.

Rhodey and Watson are readers, I think, but I have nooo idea of their favorites.

Edited 2010-06-18 13:29 (UTC)

I need to get myself some compressed air. There is cat hair underneath the keys of my laptop...

...It's kind of odd, really. I've been a voracious reader for nearly twenty years now, but of all my pups I've had, or have, or contemplate having... only Spock and one of my Felix AUs have any inclination to read.

That said, older!Felix did say something along the lines of "Are you familiar with the story of the Wizard of Oz?" a while ago, so there are a number of possibilities.

*clears throat points at icon*

So. Uh. Yes. According to canon/his author, while Edward's family was all pairing off and doing what you do, in his head ~~because his powers/author is cruel~~, he was the one becoming the most well read Cullen. Because he spent all that time, eighty years of it, reading and playing the piano. ~~And sulking.~~

Needless to say if it was written before 2005 there is a high chance Edward has read it. I won't go out on a limb and say everything, because that's too big. But it's like a 90% thing in my equation. There are many things he refused to read after a few chapters, and a lot of modern writing he won't even acknowledge was published.

And Edward is never allowed to know his canon exists in a book form. He literally had crazy moments in bar when Jenny said the bar gave her a book saying there were vampires in Forks, Washington and when S.A.R.A.H. tried to put him (and his family) down as a city point on her Real World Map.

Unless you're all pro the death of Stephenie Meyer, and then by all means, tell Edward there are books written about all the people he loves which intimately detail where they can be found and killed and how to hurt them the most.

Edited 2010-06-18 14:05 (UTC)

Oh, that is definitely a course of action then to end this scourge of 'Twilight' books and movies...

**grins, ducks**

Exactly!

>_> Sorry. I think my mostly complete non-love for my author and canon is showing again. I'll get some clothes and cover that up.

Elle does actually read a bit, though a lot of the reading she's done has been because she had access to books, and not much else when it came to trying to entertain herself. Though even she had a cutoff for how boring her father's books could be before she'd stop reading them. For narrative reasons, the standouts are Alice's Adventures in Wonderland and The Wizard of Oz (young girls plucked out of their lives and thrown into crazy shit they don't really understand).

Caprica and Sharon both enjoy reading well enough, though Caprica more so, and she has more time for it and would have more available. I tend to think Cylons would have some access to Colonial authors and maintain some sort of library of them; canon doesn't give much indication as to whether there are Cylon authors. If there are, it kind of gives the impression that they tend to be more anonymous or collaborative than human writers. In any case, there's nothing in particular that I can list here.

Emerson loves pop up books! And I think he outwardly despises but secretly loves mystery novels ^__^

And I tend to use my characters' lack of knowledge about popular culture/being from another galaxy as an excuse to not deal with canon puncturing. The closest thing has been religious/mythological figures, and then it's just... well there are stories about you, and they got a lot of stuff wrong! Those characters are kind of used to it.

Scorpius is an avid enough reader when the topic interests him, but he mostly leans toward non-fictional works and I don't think he has any sort of favorite because his obsession over a subject only lasts so long.

I'm assuming many stories have been written about the war so Scorpius would probably shrug off any canon-puncturing in that way, just thinking the books were a 'historical' account of the war if someone were to mention his dad or family because he's just briefly mentioned in Deathly Hollows. As for the other way around, he was raised by wizards so he's not very up-to-date with Muggle pop-culture. He did, however, sort of spaz at Nico di Angelo for him being a demigod.

Ron leaves most of the reading to Hermione. Seriously. "The circumstance of Ron having read a book that Hermione had not was unprecedented."

Also, Ron wouldn't mind there being stories about him. Of course it's all about Harry but, hey, he's in there too! So, yes. He'd definitely get red in the ears if you tried to claim he was fictional and argue quite loudly that he is not, thank you very much, but otherwise he'd be totally okay with it.

Since he was raised Wizard, same as Scorpius, he doesn't know many Muggle stories or much about Muggle pop culture so he can't really canon-puncture anyone. Such as his having thought Cinderella was a disease. But now if he met someone like Merlin he'd probably say something stupid like "Merlin's baggy y-fronts" and then stare, open-mouthed, most likely with some sort of sandwich in hand and mid-bite.

Jasper, when, as above, is not pairing off with his wife, does enjoy reading and I think I Millicanoned a favorite book for him but I can't remember what it was off the top of my head. He wouldn't take well to being canon-punctured at all and he handled meeting Jane Austen well enough so I don't think he'd flip out at any other authors or literary characters.

Dude, did you see A Very Potter Musical? The amount of Ron Snackage was fantastic. XD

I haven't seen A Very Potter Musical! I've heard about it, but never taken the time to actually watch it yet. I should get on that some day.

Hide Scorpius if you do. Their interpretation of Draco is...um, interesting. Not bad, I promise. You'll love him. Er, her. He's played by a girl. And responsible for some of the best scenes in the whole thing.

I heard s/he rolls around on the floor or something? Ha, but these descriptions alone make me want to canon-puncture Scorpius and then have him reenact it for his dad.

Thanks to TV Tropes, I'm convinced it's a visual pun: she's "slytherin" on the floor.

*dodges inevitable rotten fruit*

And I'm not sure if A Very Potter Musical is canon puncture or not. I mean, obviously it is, but everyone's so different from their book counterparts, partially because some characters were condensed so it'd be easier to play. Draco was essentially combined with Luna Lovegood and I bet a bit of Viktor Krum since he had a crush on Hermione.

"I want Hermione Granger! And a rocket ship."

Edited 2010-06-18 18:11 (UTC)

How cracktastic. How've I not seen this yet? I might also be a little scared to.

At the risk of encouraging you to be trapped for all eternity, the thing that finally convinced me to watch it was the TV Tropes page about it. I seriously thought I would die laughing when I read the following lines posted there:

Harry: Why do you trust Snape so mu-
Dumbledore: Because I love him.

Also, they've made a sequel! \o/

The musical itself is here.

Mia's favorite books....well, she does have a couple of libraries. According to the librarian, she had two books checked out during the war: An Illustrated History of Vane and Overcoming Shyness. I also have this sneaking suspicion that, due to her shyness on the subject, she would probably also read through the library's only romance novel while she's there, hidden away behind the shelves. That way she wouldn't have to check it out and no one's the wiser.

Mia and Draco had an amusing conversation while she was reading through the Harry Potter books. She even took notes, making the connections herself before the book revealed some of them. It's also how she figured out that Draco probably wouldn't approve of Sirius as a possible baby name. As for Mia's canon, someone would have to either get it from Bar or be able to read in Japanese to read the Lunar novels and they tell a different story from Silver Star Story Complete. I'm not really sure how Mia would react to the idea of Vane being the spaceship that brought the people of the Blue Star to Lunar. But it'd be funny to see!

Cal doesn't read for pleasure. He reads to learn stuff, and now that he's on a world that's in the twenty-first century, the internet is way better for that. Though in the event he wants to learn something important, he's still likely to default to reading books. They are just more important-seeming and serious. With all that said, his favorite is his son's autobiography, because he finds it reassuring even though he knows full well that a lot of it is probably fabricated/polished up to appeal to the public. Some of it still has to be true; the Chandlers are too famous for Calvin to have gotten away with really obvious lies.

As for other pups' canons, Cal learned the hard way with Chandler Bing that knowing stuff about a person that they haven't told you is invasive to them and creepy-feeling to him. He can't unwatch/unread stuff, but he can avoid encountering new canons - he's being very, very careful about doing so with the Harry Potter series, for example, since he's friends with Hermione. Potter pups need never worry about canon-puncturing from Cal! Neither does anyone else, for that matter. Doing it to Chandler was enough of that for a lifetime.

Javert doesn't like to read, but he does it anyway during what little downtime he has, because he can't stand to let his mind be idle. But since he doesn't like it, he doesn't have a favorite. Someone needs to teach him how to play chess or something.

Applegate doesn't have time to read, are you kidding? Do you know what the Devil's workload post-industrial revolution/population explosion looks like? He is rather fond of certain passages from Genesis, though.

Ben Wade knows his Bible -- that's straight-up canon.

Millicanonically, Kate Warner's on an Austen binge at the moment, thanks to meeting Jane in the bar. At some point, I also had Kate reading a copy of Paul Avery's The Voices of Guns from Bar's library, but she hasn't mentioned that to Paul, and probably won't, to preserve Paul and Rog's respective sanity. (Uh, unless Rog enables those particular shenanigans, of course. Muahaha.)

It's canon that Mary Morstan adores detective novels, particularly Wilkie Collins, and she loves Poe.

Deputy U.S. Marshal Raylan Givens reads case files for fun ~~and profit~~.

And, ahaha, on a related note? At some point, I have to have Ben come across a copy of Elmore Leonard's 3:10 to Yuma and Other Stories in the bar; he'll be so indignant that he's not in the original work.

Those shenanigans are, in fact, happening.

>D

DID SOMEBODY SAY "SHENANIGANS."

I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION AND I WON'T RESPOND TO IT

THE LADY PLEADS THE FIFTH, WHOA YEAH.

(I'm singing that in my head help Rog help.)

I sort of love that Ben shoots a guy one minute and then quotes Isiah or something the next. <3

Ahaha, it's what he does? CANON. TOTES CANON.

I haven't thought about my pups reading each other's canons, what a fascinating idea.

Jane would be amused by Discworld I think and she already sort of knows Will's since she's English. In terms of what she reads, all sorts of things, mainly fiction but also non-fiction.

Will doesn't read that much, because its still so new to him.

Demeter has an idea of lots of things, but I'm not sure what she reads for pleasure. I think romance novels for a laugh and lots of gardening things.

Most of what Moist reads is to learn something for a job or just to figure something, he likes doing research.

Sameth is sort of the same way, he likes reading things to understand what's going on. I'm not sure what he'd read for pleasure since he tends to make things in his free time. Probably books about magic and engineering in other worlds.

Edit to add for Sameth that I wonder if in Ancelstierre, there was a tradition of supernatural stories vaguely related to the Old Kingdom. Like Hawthorne and Poe's stories but with some reality to them if you know. That would be an interesting thing to figure out, how does the idea of the old Kingdom work in Ancelstierre literature.

Tumnus adores history since he's writing his own, so that's what he usually reads.

The Pirate King, I think probably has a small and nice library with all the great pirate classics.

Edited 2010-06-18 17:28 (UTC)

Nathaniel doesn't have time for favouriting books. They're either useful to him or they're not.

If they're not, they're immediately discarded. If they're useful, he'll use them as reference and that's about it.

To say that he's an avid reader would be an understatement. He read his 'required reading' (given to him by his first master) by the age of 11 and sneakily started reading the other shelves in his master's study from then. That first required reading shelf was supposed to last him a while.

But he does not read fiction. (He doesn't have time for that either.)

Along the same lines, Hermione Granger is also an avid reader. She mostly enjoys non-fiction (to learn things!) as well, but I wouldn't be surprised if she spent many a-summer before school reading classics like Austen, Bronte, Eliot, etc. She is still muggle-born, after all.

I don't think she'd react very well to being canon-punctured. Particularly during this point in time. I thought about it for future? But mrrgh. The idea of her learning that their lives have been detailed in a sometimes painful manner doesn't sit well with her - or with me.

I think in the future, it'll be inevitable that books are written about the trio and the Wizarding Wars, and then she'll just think JK Rowling is one of many authors who had a go at their life-story, but for now canon-puncturing on that level is a no-no.

Albus and James are opposites on the reading spectrum. Albus loves to read; he devours books like James devours sweets. Albus' favourites right now are Shakespeare and Poe, but he's always looking to get his hands on more muggle-lit.

The two Potter boys come from a time when history books about their parents are kind of a given. So I don't think they'd react too badly. Being told they're fictional, however ... yeah. No.

I actually have some of the pups in Runescape canon that are actively hunting down their world's version of Principia Discordia. Exact copies of Principia Philosophiæ actually exist in game.

There are a lot of pop culture references in the game. One of the more blatant ones is Col. Jake O'Naill, who was forced to retire from {Secret Organization}
to a fishing village. And yep, he enjoyed fishing there, even after the area was overfished and there were no more fish to catch. That was until {Secret Organization} started investigating some strange happenings involving brain slugs.

Yeah...

There are also instances were you get odd messages if you do things like use a herring on a tree. I haven't seen any Monty Python pups in here though.

The only reaction from my pups to being canon punctured that I am sure of is Amascut's. She would become obsessed with invading the other pup's world and destroying the game's servers and the company that publishes/develops the game. And any fanfic. Just to be sure.

There is one NPC in game which loves puncturing canon, so, dunno how much my pups actually know.

Oddly, my only pups who have the potential for the whole, "Hey, you're from X!" thing would be Tim and Chandler. In that Friends probably existed in Tim's universe, and in that case, Chandler would roll his eyes and walk away.

Tim, however, is very likely to recognise a fair amount of people in the bar. Surprisingly, he's had a lot of tact about keeping his mouth shut, though.

There's been some sort of fandom speculation that most, if not all of the Pegg/Wright/Stevenson creations all exist in the same universe, which means Tim and Nicholas have ever potential to run into one another in London.

Everyone else? Either too damn crazy to exist in one another's worlds, or the timelines are too skewed for the source material to exist in the other worlds.

As for the first question, I've actually put a lot of thought into this for some of my pups.

I see Nicholas as a fantasy reader. Lord of the Rings, the Once and Future King... even the Princess Bride. It's something that he's held onto from his childhood, when reading became a form of escapism for him after his uncle turned out to be an epic wanker.

Tim's totally into Sci-Fi/Fantasy/Horror. This much is canon. He's probably also read about those filthy Hobbitses, and I'd bet he owns every single Star Wars novelization ever printed.

Chandler's also a bit of a Sci-Fi/Fantasy guy, for similar reasons as Nicholas. It was escapism as a kid, and he just never outgrew the genre.

Teller reads, but little of it is in English. He's more into the Classics. The books on his shelves that aren't magic books are all in Latin, Greek, or French (with a few exceptions, like Poe). He also got curious once and read the Bible cover to cover, but not an English translation.

Gus and Rusty probably read when they're *really* bored, but it's been years since either of them have finished a book.

Jools hasn't done any real reading since school. He doesn't have the attention span, and he always gets confused and frustrated too easily.

Harold's the only wildcard on this one, and my only pup for which I've never written any fic. I can really see him going either way on this one, though I've not really had a whole lot of time to get to know him yet, so I'm not terribly certain as to what he's into.

(yay, I wrote another novel for DE!)

Edited 2010-06-18 20:03 (UTC)

Oh, good question!

Fakir has read a great variety of eighteenth and nineteenth century fairytales available in German, plus whatever German literature I find amusing at any given time. (Thinking of Fakir reading Goethe, The Sorrows of Young Werther, amuses me rather too much.)

Bran Davies primarily read the English and Welsh literary canon: Shakespeare, Dickens, Blake, the Mabinogion in the original Middle Welsh, the Odyssey and Iliad in English translation, recent Welsh nationalist poets like R. S. Thomas, early Arthurian texts including Geoffrey of Monmouth, Malory, etc., that sort of thing.

Archibald Craven has an enormous library and an upper-class education from some very good tutors (although he never did go up to Oxford or Cambridge). He reads in five languages (English, Latin, Italian, German, French, I think, with a smattering of Greek), mostly classics. He is also fond of The Sorrows of Young Werther, because it still amuses me.

Lyra Silvertongue comes from an alternate universe, and while she has gotten a good Oxford education at this point in her life, it's fairly safe to assume that most of what she's read is just a little bit different than literatures we know in our universe. For instance, I millicanoned that in Lyra's universe the works of Shakespeare were written by Marlowe and differed in several features from the plays we know. I also totally rewrote her universe's version of Plato's Symposium (http://community.livejournal.com/milliways_bar/14953292.html?thread=615618124) to account for daemons.

One of the reasons I never played Literature Preserver Lewis much before I retired him is that he was very difficult to handle in Milliways. He's read everything, and I mean everything, ever written, from the Epic of Gilgamesh to Discworld. (That's canon!) He's also got an exhaustive database of literature studies permanently installed in his brain. This meant that when Lewis met people from book canons, he knew everything about them, every time.

I have no idea what Dono Vorrutyer has read. Vorkosigan canon is pretty vague about what literature's made its way to the future. Hm. I'll have to think about that.

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