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Friday DE: I don't care if Monday's blue
Are there any romantic elements to your canon(s), whether sub or main plot? Do you play with them or just acknowledge they're there and not touch them? How about in bar? Any budding romances?
Also, since there are so many new faces and returning old ones, I thought it'd be worth mentioning that with the demise of AIM, we've moved Crackchat over to a Discord server Zed was kind enough to create. Here's a post about it and how to get on.
For those new, Crackchat is basically where muns hang out and talk about all sorts of things. Their days, possible plots or pups, news for the canon, current news (though with this time line we hide that into it's own channel), and much more. It's a great way to meet the faces behind the pups.
If you ever need to look this up again, just check out the where crackchat at tag in the back room.
And I just realized today being Friday; which is both Frigg's day and Venus', and so talk of romance couldn't have been better timed.
Also, since there are so many new faces and returning old ones, I thought it'd be worth mentioning that with the demise of AIM, we've moved Crackchat over to a Discord server Zed was kind enough to create. Here's a post about it and how to get on.
For those new, Crackchat is basically where muns hang out and talk about all sorts of things. Their days, possible plots or pups, news for the canon, current news (though with this time line we hide that into it's own channel), and much more. It's a great way to meet the faces behind the pups.
If you ever need to look this up again, just check out the where crackchat at tag in the back room.
And I just realized today being Friday; which is both Frigg's day and Venus', and so talk of romance couldn't have been better timed.
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Rose has a romance but he's like in his 30s and she's eighteen, so I ignore it.
The way I play Kylo, he has no romantic connections. I doubt that will change.
Creed is more of a ladies man then one might think. They're not exactly romances so much as they are tumbles in the hay, but he had a thing with Mystique which even produced a son.
Nothing is brewing for any of my pups in Milliways.
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Lois: HEEEEEEE You know it is. OTP since nineteen-thirty-frickin-eight, folks, and it keeps coming back despite many attempts to squash it. It's not a sub-plot--and in the teen books definitely a central plot--but it's also not the main plot. Like, it has very central importance, but it's not the REASON FOR THE STORY the way a romance story is. And man oh man is that romance so central to her life. With Smallville!Lois, I was totally thinking of trying for a Bar romance before falling back on canonical OTP my OTP I love it so much. Teen Lois, well... she'd have to both complete canon and then go way beyond it to open up to Bar anything--and that would likewise be temporary. For Reasons.
Evelyn: It can be! Hah, not even subplot, optional sidequest. ^_^ Could be open to Bar stuff! If not, I have a plot for her in canon, because I loves my romance yis I does.
Tavi: ha ha ha oh god romance is critical. The series is possible because of a romance. The problems of canon are like half caused by rejection or grief over lost love. Several plots hinge around finding romantic love, including second love. Frankly, any number of battles but especially the last one are won because of a romantic love. Romance is definitely not the main plot--treason and war and apocalypse are--but romance is too central to so many people to be a subplot.
Tavi is literally soul-bound to Kitai. No Bar-created romances for him.
R2-D2: . . . answer below. Uh. Yes. Romance important to his canon. Subplot--albeit fairly crucial ones to achieve the main plot of actually now that I think about it literally all three trilogies!--in OT. Very subplot in ST/R1, even somewhat only-implied or unfulfilled at times. Not seen Solo yet. Subplot in Rebels. R2 is definitely ace, and also busy dealing with the fallout of the romance plots.
Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader: *bashes head into a wall for forever and a day* Okay. Right. Ah. Clone Wars definitely has more than one very crucial romance plot; that of Satine Kryze and Obi-wan comes to mind. I... am actually failing to think of any others, but man that one was shattering. Except, you know. Okay. So.
Romance is basically one of if not the thing the entire goddamn prequel era--Clone Wars included--hinges around. Because Anakin Skywalker is insane and obsessed with Padme Amidala Naberrie, enough to bring down the Jedi and the Republic. And that romance creates two of the biggest forces for hope in the galaxy. One of those keeps that spark alive in face of constant and impossible odds, including when her romance produces the next force to utterly rip the galaxy apart. And the other, well. The other reminds Anakin what love felt like at all, enough for him to destroy what he'd worked for over a quarter of a century, at cost of his life.
So yeah. There's war and politics and espionage and Space Nazis and desperation and any number of things, but man does love between people--including a lot of romantic love--drive so, so much of what happens. Frankly, Anakin's romance does so more than most. (Leia's comes closest, ha ha ha but that's also result of his so.) In some ways this is a problem, in having a very Important Personages view of history. But the romance-lover in me doesn't necessarily mind. (... except for the part where Anakin's romance is somewhat terrible and terribly written, gdi.)
For obvious reasons, Anakin does not get romance in Bar unless a Padme turns up.
(DO NOT TALK TO ME ABOUT SAND I WILL END YOU.)
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It was such a good arc that it would be a shame to not include that in Wilford's backstory, although I did remove the baby because it's weird and a bit too uncomfortable, and I couldn't quite figure out how to make any logical sense out of that element even if it weren't so weird and uncomfortable. But it did lend to a bit of characterisation for Wilford that fits in really well with the sorts of stories he tends to cover.
For Wilford's Millicanon, I've also added some details to the story. The husband was his boss at his first news job, back in DC. He hated the guy, and in his spiteful mind, the best way to get back at him for refusing to let Wilford in front of a camera was to sleep with his wife. Which ended in disaster, eight months on the run because he sucked at logging saves, and eventual death. And then because he's a dumbass who doesn't learn, he did it a second time, thinking he could avoid all the drama. He did not, and he also did not save again, so it was just a repeat of the first time.
The third time around he learned from this mistake and took an entirely different course of action. He's now the only person who knows about this horrible string of mistakes, since he reset far enough back last year to a point before he even started sleeping with the boss' wife.
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It's also pretty clearly implied Graverobber has a thing for Shiloh, but it never goes anywhere. He's also implied to be sleeping with a bunch of his clients. And that's as far as it goes for romance in Repo! land.
At the bar, he and Sinric have hooked up and shared a sweet shower scene but that's as far as it goes for him romance-wise. Unless someone has an interest ;)
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Pam and Eric were actually a couple for a long time until about 1986, I think. The way it worked was that Eric had his dalliances with human women, even having feelings for some of them, and Pam would wait patiently until he got bored with them. Until the Yakuza, acting under the Vampire Authority, caught up with them and forced Eric to choose between his human lover and Pam. It was messed up. As further punishment, Eric and Pam were sent to Shreveport, and Pam never forgave him, and it's clear that they never slept together again after that. Now Eric is obsessed with Sookie, and Pam is jealous. In Milliways, Pam doesn't sleep around because there aren't many ideal options for her. She prefers women, and if she gets to feed on a guy, the most she'll do for him is a handjob, if he's lucky. Precious little Jemma Simmons came the closest to being a regular.
Cassidy wishes Tulip was his girlfriend, but she's Jesse's girl, and he doesn't ever want to come between them. Except they sorta already did have sex, though he had no idea that Jesse was the other guy. Now it's a huge secret that weighs down on him, but he manages to keep it to himself despite his guilt. [sad vampire noises] Cassidy has had a couple of one-night-stands in Milliways, which were pleasant surprises.
Floki is in love with his wife Helga, forever and always. She is his anchor and the only one who understands his moods. It's not really a plot, more like it exists in the background, since Ragnar has his own affairs going on.
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It was borderline hilarious when the show came to Portland, how many people thought this was a) a cheery sort of musical and b) 'Life is a Cabaret' is a cheery sort of song. The after-show commentary was awesome.
>.> Also we were a rowdy rowdy bunch opening night. /ramble and FEELS
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lol cheery musical UNTIL NAZIS
What was the after show commentary like? Feel free to ramble at me with your feels, I love it when other people experience the thing that I love. (Either here or PM, I don't mind!)
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(I also have feels about 'Love Never Dies' but they're mostly wtf ranty ones)
So, there was a lot of people who hadn't seen the show before and the ending was a shock and there was VOLUABLE PROTESTING BECAUSE OF COURSE NO THAT CAN'T BE RIGHT which... okay, in the touring version there's a little leeway there but... eek, yeah, um. no. Honey. Darling. Lemme tell you about this place called Millways...
There was also a LOT of people who listened to the same version of 'Life is a Cabaret' that I did as a child, where they leave out the ENTIRE verse about the roommate ODing on pills/alcohol. Like, audible gasps in the theater, deeply inapprops to laugh at that point lemme tell you (especially since travelling!Sally gives a DEEPLY ANGRY TWIST to that song and I heart it so much why is there not audio I can download let me give you monies Cabaret people).
Also, this came through abooooout 4 months after Trump got elected... um. So... Here in Portland we have a proud tradition of protesting the shit out of everything? >.> I'm 99.9% sure I overheard angry protest plans. It was nearly as angry as when I went to RENT the night of the original massive Portland protest to the Trump administration. ...... We were DEEPLY rowdy that night too.
And for Hamilton. Holy crap. Jefferson had to stop and wait us out when he first appeared. For like three repeats of his opening bars. We have a problem. :D
Anyway. There were also open arguments about whether Sally or Cliff were most to blame for the relationship tanking (team Sally was VOCAL, yo). There was a lot of 'but I didn't know there would be NAZIS' (and open dissent when Ludwig lets his Nazi flag fly, we were not happy campers about that).
Also one lady telling her much younger friend that her dad taught the older lady and her sister to sing 'Two Ladies' as a party trick when they were kids and... oh my.
ON TOPIC (not) of how much I heart this show? Emcee's pineapple dance (it's on Youtube and it's in my favorites list you can take it from my cold dead fingers) and Sally's 'I THINK THEY'RE PRETTY, I reply', and 'YOU'RE AMERICAN', and Kost and her 'nephews' and the ABSOLUTE HEARTBREAK OF 'They're children! Just children...' BECAUSE THAT MAKES IT WOOOOOORSE
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No matter how many times I saw it (which was...a lot) the ending never failed to gutpunch me, sometimes more than others depending on how I was feeling, but the final time I saw it, I just made this audible SOB that I think even the actors heard. But yes, Milliways to the rescue!
I have never heard the Cabaret song without the Elsie verse! Huh! Even the Liza Minnelli version has it in, and that's pretty much the most well known version. Almost every actress I saw onstage gave it an angry twist (definitely angrier than the recorded version), some more than others (maybe mostly sad and broken), but for me, Emma Stone sold it the best. She became my favorite Sally and I even wrote her a card saying so >_> ... I wish I could hear touring Sally!
I'm sure you heard about Mike Pence showing up at a Hamilton performance and the crowd going righteously apeshit. :D
I think Sally and Cliff were both to blame, but it wasn't for lack of trying. Neither one could give the other what they needed, and both were way too idealistic. I am still #teamSally though.
Ludwig, though! I don't know if you noticed in the Broadway production, or if it made it into the Portland show, but during the Schultz/Schneider party, one of the dancing couples in the background is Emcee and Ludwig. IT WAS DISTURBING. I only caught that after a couple viewings when I was able to sit closer to the stage, and when I did, holy shit the backstory fics in my head.
And yes, pineapple dance forever!
"Just children! Young and full of mischief. It's nothing... You understand?"
" ...I understand."
*UGLY CRYING*
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I am SO. VERY. JEALOUS. That you got to see Emma Stone as Sally, I missed her by like, two weeks. I didn't know it at the time, as I was two weeks early, but still. There was eyeing of airline prices. But yeah, in the touring version it seemed a lot angrier... now, idk if it was because it was a much bigger theater than NYC and she still managed to fill the ENTIRE room with straight up pissed off fury. Like, I'm up in the balcony and I'm still 99.9% sure hiding behind the seat in front of me is entirely valid because this lady is about to throw things.
I would have paid so much to be there the night Pence showed up. Holy crap, that must have been awesome.
I would also pay entirely too much to see Lin Manuel perform and if the rumor about him getting the original cast together to make a movie version is true I AM HERE FOR THIS.
(Speaking of things that are awesome have you seen the Hamildrop 'First Burn'? And of course Cumming singing 'Mein Herr'? Where is my time machine so I can go see him sing 'Mein Herr' that night live? ... Yes I looked up the vid and watched it again shush.)
WAIT WHUT HE DANCES WITH LUDWIG WHUT. EMCEE. NO. AUGH.
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The unfinished seasons of Clone Wars was going to give her an actual, official romance with a scoundrel named Nyx. I haven't decided if it happened or not, but again I am certain it wouldn't interfere with anything she needed to be doing.
In her book, she did have another almost romance that was subplot but drove motivation for main plot somewhat. Ahsoka wasn't aware of Kaeden Larte's attraction until she was told about it, which leads me to think Ahsoka is just clueless with romance.
Sabine: Star Wars Rebels does have a romance subplot and subtext, but it doesn't involve her. I know a lot of fans love to ship her and Ezra, mostly due to Ezra's awkward flirting in the first and second seasons, but the gal in my head doesn't shot that way. She likes women.
Sam Wilson: Cap's movies have romances but to be honest everything but Peggy Carter seems shoehorned in. Sam gets no romance.
Izana: Romance is a secondary plot that runs throughout canon. At times it drifts into the anime/manga harem trope, but the boy is cluless as to the attraction others feel for him. Izana does get a surprise romance and I love it! Though to be honest, I spotted it very early in the manga and the anime never showed it. I will be writing it in.
Hank: The romance with Raven/Mystique was pretty central to Hank's storyline in all three movies now. It drives a lot of his decisions. It's not the dominate storyline to the movies though.
Danny: He actually has a subplot with romance, and they weave it into the main plot pretty well. I'm happy with it and look forward to more, though I will admit the two aren't the most emotionally mature people, and Claire agrees if memory serves.
Tybalt: He gets a slow burn subplot romance that becomes a main plot. I am so happy with how the romance happened, let me tell you. I had hoped for it and was intrigued by the idea when it occurred to me before it ever happened.
At this point, none of mine have or would be open to an in bar romance.
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The only known, canonical romance that seems to be plot-significant, beyond PCs simply being the children of other PCs in Pharah and Brigitte's case, is the one in Widowmaker's backstory. She was a ballet dancer married to a Blackwatch agent, Gérard Lacroix, and after several unsuccessful attempts to kill Gérard directly, Talon kidnapped and brainwashed her so that she'd kill him on their behalf. It worked, but she still remembers that she loved him, which is one of the only cracks in her suppressed emotions.
Writing romance doesn't come naturally to me, so I didn't really have any plans to add some in for Bastion on either side of the Door. They're definitely asexual (that's very common for omnics) and probably aromantic. They know what it is, they're just not interested in getting personally involved.
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Alec Lightwood also has a canon romance that he hasn't reached yet. I also 100% ship Alec/Magnus. (If anyone wanted to pick up a Magnus.... ♥ ) There are a lot of romances in his canon because...YA.
Orpheus ...
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As for canon itself, yeah, there are romances, but they are pretty far from the main plot usually. It's usually more of a sidequest type of thing. There is one canonical romance involving the player character that figures into the main plot though, because player character is important and bla bla bla. It starts out as a politically convenient marriage between the PC and either a prince or princess, but somehow turns heartfelt before said prince or princess gets tragically fridged.
There are complaints about the marriage being scripted to be strictly hetero, but you can give the PC a sex change in the middle of it. The prince/ss will complain and demand you change back, though. There's a sweet cave goblin adventurer that "befriends" the PC, but word of God ooc has said that the 'ship was more towards the romantic side of the spectrum than is explicitly said in canon. That 'ship happens without any gender check so the developers claim her as a victory for bi-inclusion :p
Unfortunately, she also gets fridged. She gets resurrected, though, but not before a trip through literal hell that effectively sinks the 'ship.
Oh, there was a couple of "close" friends in-canon that was recently word-of-god'ed into being a lesbian couple but only long after one of them got fridged (by a you-can't-save-them-both situation) Not that all romance in canon ends in tragedy. Just... the ones important to plot seem to all end that way. Life expectancy not being that great, it is sort of inevitable I guess.
Then again, romance among the immortal and near-immortal doesn't fare that well either.
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In Rebels, the nature of Hera and Kanan's relationship is left relatively ambiguous, or is sort of outright ignored, until the final season. (In A New Dawn it's pretty apparent that Kanan is in love with Hera, and in the Kanan comics Hera is kind of portrayed in this stereotypical girlfriend-ish way, even if it's not outright stated.) Even in the final season, Hera and Kanan's romance barely appears. There's a little bit of conversation hinting about it, a few near and then one actual kiss, and then [spoiler]. Now looking back at it, if I were going to guess, I'd say that the issue was probably ignored until the end less for character reasons, and more because the show makers didn't think such a storyline would appeal to their audience (read: tween and teen boys), and then abruptly in the final season had a different use for it.
It's not the way we've gone or will be going. When we very first started threading them, we had decided to approach it with a wait-and-see attitude as to what we wanted to do, but then literally fifteen tags into our very first thread this message happened -
So, yeah. Both Hera and Kanan do have in-character reasons for not pursuing a romantic relationship with one another, despite their feelings – but at this point for us, they have acknowledged those feelings. Which was super NOT OUR INTENT when we started that thread but. It happens! We've really found that these two have a chemistry we can't. stop. And really writing out this relationship, particularly with the six or so years they were together pre-canon… made that all the more clear. Though for the moment they still haven't actually acted on their feelings.
yet
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