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Given what we've seen so far in Season 3, evil!Twilight is actually a very real possibility. She's incredibly powerful--even Twilight herself doesn't know the full extent of her magic--and she's capable of casting dark magic, which is known to corrupt those who use it... I would be astonished if she gets out of this season without being tempted to the dark side.

I've played with this idea before, but it's not so much evil!Alyx as batshitcrazy!Alyx. Basically, she gets so overwhelmed with loved ones dying or betraying her that she decides the only beings she can trust are the ones she builds herself. She retreats to her own private bunker with an army of robots that will destroy anyone or anything that tries to get in.

It'd take a lot to get Jim to side with the Man. Especially if the Man is Hedley. More specifically, it'd take an awful lot of scotch.

Well, if Borgel were a villain, he would probably convince a kid to run away from home to travel to an incredibly dangerous place by irresponsible means which he doesn't understand, and then...oh, wait.

Leela is harder to imagine as a villain that I might have thought, at least in terms of actual opportunities that her canon has offered her. She could have remained steadfast to the cult of Xoanon, not questioning its teachings (in defiance of everything we know about her character). The most likely candidate comes in her final adventure on Gallifrey. Convinced that the Doctor has gone mad with power or truly abandoned his morals, she murders him before he can send the universe into ruin.

If Kane were a good guy? What do you mean, "if" Kane were a good guy? As far as he's concerned, he is the good guy.

Imagine that Gehn took Atrus down into his cavern to study the Art, as he did in canon. Then imagine that he had succeeded in convincing him of the rightness of his cause and turning him against his grandmother so that he blames her entirely for the destruction of the D'ni. He will join him in his quest at first - seeking to rebuild the glory of the D'ni Empire and set themselves up as gods. Soon enough he will murder him - his incompetence, particularly at writing Ages, is only holding him back. Then, upon taking Catherine as his concubine, he will encourage the arrogance and avarice of their sons, Sirrus and Achenar, whose reign of terror over the Ages now goes unchecked. So yeah, pretty awful stuff, basically.

Perhaps Tuco stayed at home with his family as a child instead of becoming a bandit. Maybe he came back and settled down. Or maybe he became a priest instead of his brother. The only thing that could get him to turn back would be loyalty to family. 'Course, his parents are both dead by the start of canon. Whatever made him go good, it would have to be something that came along a long time before canon started - it's too late for him now.

Along the lines of the not-yet-apped, if Caius weren't a spy, he'd be a drug dealer or a gangster. And a ruthless and powerful one at that.

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It's entirely possible that by the time you plied Jim with enough booze, he'd also be incapacitated for the duration of the evil scheme.

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waco_jim - 2012-12-05 03:47 (UTC) - Expand

Atton could easily become a villain without any kind of shift in his moral compass, goals, personality or anything - after all, he's already been a Sith once. So it wouldn't really take any kind of leap at all for him to decide 'eh, screw this' and become a Sith Lord.

(Given how wholly untrustworthy he is, I imagine everyone's reaction would be one of a dull lack of surprise.)

In which case he'd be - more or less exactly the same, just on the other side. Which would be terrifying.

I cannot imagine Teddy turning evil. His moral compass is absurdly rigid, I think nothing short of being driven insane could make him even slightly sway from being utterly Lawful Good.

Leonardo wouldn't really turn evil, because he doesn't have an unpleasant bone in his body. A villainous Leonardo would be a Leonardo who didn't care about the effects of his inventions (or else just being manipulated, because manipulating Leo is pretty goddamn easy), probably working for evil!Mac and evil!Lorenzo.

Leo - well, his twin brother is a villain, and a pretty diabolical one (with some gigantic women issues)? Leo's own moral compass is a little shaky at best. I imagine if Leo went evil, he'd be a lot like a more pragmatic, less issues-with-women-ful, less hitting-on-my-twin-brother-and-engaging-in-dubiously-sexual-acts-of-violence-against-him Sigma. He wouldn't be as vindictive, either, but he'd make up for it with pure, directed at the entire world, unrelenting fury. He'd have more or less the same goal, too: Wipe out the Horrors, and make Makai Knights redundant.

Seamus would be terrible at being evil. Just not very good at it at all.

Evil!Mac sort of terrifies me to think of...

Hmm hmm hmmmm...

venusadept_2: I've already got Apocalix, but let's take a different route. Let's look at someone who'd be Felix's shadow in the way Apocalix is his (dark) reflection.

This would be a subversive Felix, a spy where Apocalix is a thug. He bides his time, notices that Alex is necessary for Mercury Lighthouse but not for Venus, and quietly offs Alex in some out-of-the-way part of the latter. The scene on top of Venus Aerie plays out basically the same, though with much more complex motivations; it's possible that Felix is even bluffing through most of the conversation with Saturos and Menardi, hoping Isaac will show up and destroy them for him, though I get the feeling that he does still care about Sheba.

I'm not exactly sure how things play out beyond that; I don't have as good a sense for sneaky, roundabout characters. And a great many environmental things are changed by the simple fact of Alex's absence.

baron_dragoon: Kain is kinda morally ambiguous already, and a lot of what happens to him involves mind control, so I'm gonna skip over him.

needs_fern: Now here's an interesting case. It'd help if we knew anything about Fluttershy's past beyond "she went to flight camp that one time, and fell". Without that, I'm really not sure I can put together a coherent answer... although I'm getting hints that suggest it would be especially interesting if Zecora were also evil.

It doesn't necessarily have to mean that the pup stared off evil, just that they turn evil. Canon has definitely shown us what that would look like for Fluttershy.

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kd7sov - 2012-12-04 19:37 (UTC) - Expand

When to great evil, one does aspire,
With others, it helps, to conspire.

What if the Air Nomads did have a formal military. What if they thought their bending and spiritual prowess were a sign from the spirits of their superiority. What if they tried to reshape the world according to their beliefs? What if every fourth generation the world quakes in fear as the Avatar is reborn into their nation, adding Fire, Water, and Earth to the havoc that rains from above?

"Water. Earth. Fire. Air. My grandmother used to tell me stories about the old days, a time of peace when the Avatar kept balance between the Water Tribes, Earth Kingdom, Fire Nation, and Air Nomads. But that all changed when the Air Nomads attacked..."

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This has been toyed with a bit in his canon, but evil Fry would most likely end up as Bender's lackey.

Shawn would use his observational and persuasive skills to manipulate people into doing his bidding. (...kinda like now, only in the bad way. >.>)

Brisco, being the least morally ambiguous of my characters, would require something pretty epic to switch to the dark side. Possibly the death of a loved one, or a corrupting influence from the show's magical artifact. Either way it involves a lot of revenge.

Dean turning evil is... not entirely outside the realm of possibility. *side-eyes canon* Let's just say if he'd grown up solely being raised by his dad, without the motley patchwork of substitute family he's got, he'd be well on his way to Mad Scientisthood by now. Although it is worth noting that the subject of good and evil in the Ventureverse is somewhat open to interpretation. Being a supervillain is more or less presented as just another career option, albeit one that usually involves killing people.

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Gahh, the idea of orb-influenced Brisco going bad makes me sadface.

His entire life has been building to this this day. To this moment. To this very stage. A single spotlight illuminates the podium which will serve as his pulpit, and from which he will speak the gospel of Equality to the hungry masses that teem in the darkness beyond the stage.

They will know of the horrors he has witnessed. Of the pain in his history. And how the benders of the world have failed them all.

What they will not know is his name, for when he takes that spotlight and makes it his own he will no longer be Bumi the Avatar's non-bender son, but Amon the man who will bring true Equality to Republic City.

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As for the rest of them:

I can see the Loompas actually standing up to Wonka and helping the kids out of the factory. Oh sure they're still terrible wee-people, but they're people just the same, and no one deserves the torture they will most assuredly be exposed to inside of Wonka's madhouse.

Splinter, Mike and Raph being evil basically means they don't just take out Shredder, but systematically make their way from New York to Japan killing anything that gets in their way.

Raph becomes more of a bully, but Mike...just becomes a sociopath. The idea of an evil Mike just kind of makes me uncomfortable.

ME TOO.

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mnt_mike - 2012-12-04 20:34 (UTC) - Expand

Try as I might, I can't picture Voodoo evil. He's got a chaotic personality, sure, but I think the juxtaposition of that chaos and the good inherent in him is an essential part of his character. Make him a little too lawful, make him a little too evil, and he's just not Voodoo anymore.

John Marston? Either he stayed in Dutch's gang, raising his son to be an outlaw just like him, or he was born into a family of lawmen and became one himself. Both options are equally valid.

Mako never left the Triads. He started out running numbers. Eventually he got promoted to a thug, then a lieutenant, then a mob boss, all by his mid-20s. He becomes ruthless, putting all three Triads under his control, making Bolin his second-in-command, and making a move to put all of Republic City under his heel. He comes up against Avatar Korra, who has no choice but to put him down. As he breathes his last, she cradles his head in her arms, strokes his hair, and wonders what might have been.

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Markus of Viltrum is a ferocious servant of his empire. He stands as the most loyal and effective servant of the great general, Nolan of Viltrum, and the two of them control Earth under an iron rule. A small resistance exists (they've smashed Robot into pieces a dozen times, and he keeps rebuilding himself; it's irritating), but it's only a matter of time before they're crushed into nonexistence. Once the people of Earth calm down and accept their status as a vassal state of the Viltrumite Empire, they'll find that their situation will improve a great deal. There's sure to be some deaths - there always are - but you can't make an omelette without breaking some eggs.

Mind you, it will be a few centuries before the Empire sends a larger occupational force, but two Viltrumites is enough to rule any planet. And Mark is happy to wait. After all, he is his father's son....

Henry would be helping Regina to keep the curse from being broken (AKA basically none of canon happens, because he never tracks down Emma). Or maybe Cora, but I couldn't say as much without a little more canon existing.

Lois would probably end up not being a reporter. Maybe as a cover, to find out dirty secrets for gain (if Cat Grant were evil), except her ambitions are not nearly that petty. I have no doubt she would be working with Luthor somehow, except be trying to play him. I can see her working her way into a Luthor government somehow. She'd work with her dad and enable his evil tendencies. Maybe she'd run for president one day.

Of course, if you went full-blown comics-y silly, she'd go for being supreme queen of the universe or something. The above is some pretense of logic.

Tavi becomes a ruthless First Lord.

...A ruthless First Lord lacking compassion or ethics. Sorry. That needed clarification.

Facetiousness aside and without unnecessary details, he'd make Alera an even crappier and unjust place to live, slaughter a couple species, and murder anyone who gets in his way. (Hypothetically Sextus wouldn't have let it get to that, unless Tavi just hid the evil--not impossible, but unlikely to work on Sextus.)

There have been a few instances in canon where Tommy's dark side takes over with actual intent to harm people -- even when sober. It is ugly and violent. Sometimes he shows remorse, sometimes he doesn't. But if his inherent drive to save people's lives is replaced with a blatant disregard for human life, he wouldn't be a firefighter. Take that away and he'd just be another drunken asshole.

Evil Cordelia is really, really hard to picture. Probably it happens through getting actively into politics; instead of being the one who keeps Aral Vorkosigan sane, she encourages him to use the power he has in the right causes.
Also, Miles is actively terrified of her.

Evil Andrew is probably dead. He never had the necessary ruthlessness to stay alive on that side of the line.

Evil Simon found the people running the Academy project, cut a deal to get River out, and now works for them. He never met the crew of Serenity.

Evil Charlie is either an anarchist/anti-government terrorist in her own world, or was recruited by agents of the Crimson King and ended up at Algul Siento as a Breaker. In the latter scenario, when the gunslingers arrived she panicked, lost control of her power -- and ended up incinerating the entire complex, all its inhabitants, all four gunslingers, and (there being no nearby body of water to put out the fire) herself. (... I guess the good news is, at least that stopped the Breakers? Sai King, alas, is screwed.)

Good Cavilo is even harder to picture than Evil Cordelia. Unless she were held prisoner by somebody Lawful/Neutral Good and Stockholm-Syndromed into some twisted form of loyalty.

Evil Kali sells out her fellow gods to either Lucifer or the forces of Heaven in exchange for personal protection.
... Evil Kali is also kinda stupid if she thinks that'll work. :/

Evil Nepeta, maddened by rejection, kills most if not all of the surviving trolls in a shocking mass meowrder.

...

meowrder.

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batyatoon - 2012-12-04 23:31 (UTC) - Expand

Heroes didn't have a lot of well-defined "sides" to speak of, as in order to be "deep" or whatever pretty much everyone was "morally gray" (or really, everyone dithered pointlessly a lot or forgot they had personalities or something). So Elle can't just switch to "hero" or whatever.

But I can tell this story. When Elle was six, she became sick and had to leave school for several months, apparently to stay in a private hospital paid for by her father. When she got better, Elle and her mother moved out east to be closer to him. Elle went to school and had friends, though she still had to spend a couple hours each day apart from them to undergo continuing medication, which surprised her friends and teachers, as she seemed outwardly healthy and energetic. Elle was outgoing (and when she got older, a little flirty), and had a lovely singing voice, usually participating in school choirs and other performance groups. She got decent enough grades, and had some much more overachieving friends to help her in that regard. But of course, the illness she never fully recovered from was really a cover for her to manage and train with her ability, and when she was old enough, powerful enough, and promised to be careful, her parents let her add covert crime fighting to her extracurricular activities.

Of course, what happened to Claire Bennet at 16 might have also been a different story.

There's a lot of trying to make Asami an Equalist in fandom, but this goes so against my characterization for her that I just can't even contemplate it. It just doesn't make any sense for me. That being said, I can easily see her as just evil, given that I play her very close to the line of a mad scientist. And of course, there's the in-my-head AU where Asami is a titan of industry whose power and technology is throwing the world out of balance by interfering with nature/the Spirit World, drawing her into conflict with the Avatar. (Who may or may not also be her secret lover because it's my AU and I can do what I want.)

Um. I feel like any dystopia ruled by Leslie would be like that episode of The Simpsons with the Flanders dystopia, except with more waffles.

If Manny didn't have the moral compunctions he actually does have, he would have been a much better right-hand man to Hector Lamanz than Domino was. Until he tried to usurp him, anyway.

To be honest, with Marceline this question is basically six of one half dozen the other. I suppose she could be meaner or nicer than she is, but whether she's an evil person who's nice or a good person who's mean... the issue is less that she's one or the other, and more that she doesn't care to be too much of one or the other.

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Oh man, I love this idea. :D

I've toyed with doing a dark!Michael AU fic because (especially in recent seasons) has come perilously close to crossing that line from doing bad things (major property destruction, theft, violence, killing when he has to) for good reasons to doing bad for his own reasons (revenge). An evil Michael would be a very, very scary thing imo. He could very easily cause some major destruction on a global level as it is - having no moral compass would take away the only thing stopping him.

I can't see Henry or Archie being evil... I just can't. And I'm not really sure about evil!Penny, she'd probably be some backstabbing soap opera-esque actress who slept and blackmailed her way into it.

Evil!Gus would, naturally, be Evil!Shawn's accomplice. And quite possibly a really good thief what with his safecracking skills and super smeller.

... Maaan I kinda wanna write that AU now. >.>

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No one in the world is 100% good.

"Good work, part-timer!" the Pigmask praises Lucas. "'Course, if you keep up this work, you won't be just a part-timer soon."

"Hey thanks," Lucas says, taking his paycheck. "Seeya at Club Titiboo?"

"Oh sure, kid! And let me know if that Violet gives you any more trouble. Before long, you'll have your own mask and no one will give you trouble anymore."

"Man, that'd be nice," the young boy says. "Y'know, ever since Mom died and Dad went absolutely nuts, you guys... Well, you're practically family."

"Hey, it's no problem," the Pigmask replies with an affectionate one-arm hug around Lucas.

And no one in the world is 100% bad.

"Why?"

Lohengrin ponders the question while Tutu presses her lips together, smearing the blood there. It's loaded with more than what he's sure she wants to know.

"It's not just because of Siegfried," he answers, his grip on her wrists tightening. "You're too much like her for your own good."

Whatever Tutu was expecting, it wasn't that. Her blue eyes waver slightly and the Knight would like nothing more than to hurt her again for making him feel.

"Foolish girl... Even now I can see it. Even now you're thinking of ways to purge me of the Raven's influence."

He puts his thumb on her mouth, secretly satisfied with the whimper she couldn't entirely hide when he presses hard on her bitten lower lip. He finally lets go of her and turns, ready to walk away.

"This is where you leave things?" she can't help but ask.

Lohengrin glances with red eyes over his shoulder and goes, "Believe it or not, you don't have to be good to have some restraint. You should take advantage of what patience I have now because I will not tolerate you following me again."

Thirteen eludes me, so, have the rest of them. Suggestions are welcome, though?

While not evil, a vastly different

AndrAIa

, morals-wise, never met Enzo. She grew hardened and vicious, and adept at slaughtering Users in Game. She'd have little to no concept of friends or allies, and wouldn't heasitate to use her fellow Game sprites as fodder to defeat the User if it was strategically advisable under the circumstances.

Kaidan

was changed after 'Brain Camp'. He was left bitter and disdainful of other species, and eventually joined up with Cerberus. It is likely that he was part of one of the Cerberus splinter groups that Shepard took out during the course of all three games.

Losing those she cared about did more to

Hawke

than people initially realized. After her brother was killed, she grew harder beneath that charismatic presence, doing whatever it took to keep the rest of her family alive. Bethany being taken away wasn't as much of an impact for her, as she was still safe in the Mage tower, but after her Mother is killed, Bethany seems so much farther away and with Isabela gone, there's no more reason to hold back. She took her title of Champion and used it to keep an iron hold on whomever she could.

Trolls are kind of morally fuzzy to begin with, but the best example of evil

Kanaya

is from the Overworld OOM I did for her:

"A smirk pulls at your lips, revealing a fanged grimace as you lean back in the high-backed chair you've claimed as your throne. You're not wholly yourself, a faint part of you declares, but why would you want to be, then you're oh-so powerful as you are now. Dispassionately, you regard the blonde, petite girl knelt in front of you, eyes averted while she dutifully laps the cerulean, purple, and violet from your fingers. She dares glance up at you and something inside you twists, and your hand steaks forward with the speed of the lightning that ran you through and killed you."

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Hero!Clemmy would have been a gold medalist gymnast who turned to law enforcement to give back to the community. Reno has the cleanest streets in the world because of her. She married her high school sweetheart, has three kids, and has only slept with one man her entire life.

Dixie's an interesting case, in that we've seen both sides of her. She starts out as a selfish and somewhat amoral mol and turns into the 'Golden Angel' and face of the revolution. She gray hats right up through the end, so I imagine her life with Brisco would never be dull.

Evil!Juliet is the dirtiest cop in the world. The most aggressive, too. She's Lassiter's enforcer.

Evil Pinkie...ugh, let's ignore Cupcakes and the serial murderer stereotyped Pinkie. Evil Pinkie would be very much like her darksided self and would be a miserable, joyless thing devoid of happiness.

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Bleh, work keeps me from doing things like writing evil drabbles.

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