DE: Get Your Goatee On

[bjornwilde]

Simple question with complex answers:

Your pup just switched sides, hero to villain, villain to hero, neutral party to either side. Tell us about it.

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[seat_five_girl]

*knuckle crack*

Ako triple checked her setup, from the diagram she had found in Library Island to the large battery pack feeding the salvaged pen plotter. Time to run a summoning...

A villainous Ako would have bailed away from her home universe long ago. In fact she'd be looting from universe to universe through Milliways and not really thinking that people who couldn't get to Milliways were, you know, actually people. I'm having a little trouble following that to it's complete conclusion right now, but I'm uncaffeinated.

Tigress dropped from the rafters, landing next to the stack of crates. If they'd meant this to be a secret shipment, they needed better computer security. Honestly.

Artemis the villain is a different sort of girl. Her family isn't a liability, her real identity isn't secret (it's private, that's different) and her accuracy gets used to preserve goods not people. I'm also getting that she doesn't use arrows as much.

I'm not getting a snippet for evil Robo. I'm pretty sure he was bombed into tiny, tiny pieces years ago.

Even with her advantages there was a thrill no legitimate sport could match in opening a bank vault.

"I'm Agent Coulson of SHIELD, Wasp, put down the valuables and come with me. You're done here."

Evil Janet is in for the thrill. And there's no thrill like going up against the establishment. If people get hurt it isn't her fault, they should have been faster, should have been somewhere else.

Tyler... *pokes his universe* We aren't quite at Captain Planet levels of villainy, but it's trying it's best. At the very least he's feeding incorrect information about the things that go bump in the night to the general public.

[ceitfianna]

For a plot with Atton, I wrote this for Will where he ended up working for the Sheriff instead of Robin. What happened was that the Sheriff made him a guard at some point instead of him being saved by Robin, it was depressing. He's not meant for it.

Charles would be trickier to manage because while he would welcome a chance to work with Erik, their points of view are so different. He wants integration of mutants and Erik wants mutants to be separate and more powerful. I don't know how to get him on that point of view without a lot of changes, and the world getting fairly bad.

William would need a few different choices, if after Dan died, Mark died not long after, I could see him becoming an outlaw as a way to help his mother. It would be a hard choice and one he wouldn't welcome but if it was the only way to survive he would.

This happens to Moist in the course of his canon and Tumnus though he begins more neutral than fully the White Witch's.

Jane doesn't really have sides, so I'm not sure how to answer this for her, same with Demeter. Demeter's a goddess and sides just don't work for her, different morality. The Pirate King also ends his canon with love changing his side.

Sameth really couldn't be on the other side as his side is in his blood.

Now I need to go do Diversity Day stuff, interesting question.

[saphyria]

"Ahh, Princeling," Mogget would say, eyes shining, "but your uncle Rogirek was of the blood as well, was he not?"

He's not going to mention Chlorr at all.

[ask_the_right_questions]

Oh. Hi, entire plot of Avengers (sort of)!

[sdelmonte]

Knox writes for a tabloid. Or for Fox News. Or TMZ.

Howard Stark overcharges for all his wares, cuts corners, and ends up the subject of an Arthur Miller play. Even so, he's still on the Allied side. (I can't make my pups THAT evil.)

Mirror evil Kirk is canon. And very unpleasant.

Cyborg is a criminal mastermind who uses brute force to rob banks. And cars. And armored cars. And whole buildings.

Gibbs is a sober, sane, decorated hero of many great battles against pirates and the French, and retires to a farm in the English countryside.

Can't really see Charlie being a bad guy. He was such a jerk in his youth that you could argue he switched sides without switching sides.

[adiva_calandia]

and ends up the subject of an Arthur Miller play

*CACKLING*

[jjprobert]

As for the rest of mine?

Jack could well end up ruling the world, father and son (Yes, cliched as it is...) Depending upon which point he switches. Or he might just end up ruling the world. Or he'd just be his father's attack dog. Or the world might end.

Max, I really don't know. It'd depend on what type of evil. And who's side (if any).

An evil Alfred would have Bruce return to find nothing's been looked after properly, and then his number and address goes out to all the bad guys...

Bean? Bean would end up ruling the world before he died (Young).

[death_gone_mad]

Huh.

Ummm... Amascut would prefer to mentor Buffy rather than Faith? Ya know, if that sort of crossover actually happened.

[not_my_sandbox]

well, now that I have more time (not really, I should be doing homework) I can write something less glib.

In Runescape, there is no obvious good or evil. There is an Evil Bob but he's just a cat. He's also the ruler of an alternate reality where he has enslaved all of humanity but will still hop dimensions to abduct new slaves. Also the fish swimming in the ocean are already cooked but since Evil Bob likes his fish raw his slaves are forced to uncook the fish. Oh, of course I am forgetting my own pup, Evil Chicken. Conveniently, in the alternate reality he has a counterpart called the Cheery Chicken, who, by Evil Bob's report, is horribly chatty and has a fondness for crackers, sliced cucumbers, and tea.

Oh, there is Evil Dave. But he isn't very evil, just enamored with the idea of evil.

There is no god of evil or a god of good, but the closest to that kind of dichotomy are the god of Chaos, Zamorak, and the god of order, Saradomin. 'Course the NPCs, costumes and imagery surrounding the Zamorakian religion are quite satanic themed, where the Saradomist religion looks almost christian, albeit the flavor of christian that was around during the crusades. Amusingly, though, Saradomin used to be depicted as looking a lot like an older Charles Darwin. There are demons fighting for Zamorak and a lone angel fighting for Saradomin (the angels, or Icyene, were driven to extinction by the Vampyres long before main canon rolls in). But, as the game devs keep reminding the community Saradomin and Zamorak do not represent good and evil. Even though the NPCs say otherwise. The game devs already admitted that they love playing with the differing perspectives of the NPCs and the conflicting narratives each will tell.

But enough on Gielinor's religions (OMG ANAGRAM)

Amascut is in close contention with Zamorak, as is Bandos, god of war (and cross species breeding programs, apparently), for the title of evilest god, but she isn't that evil, just destructive and angry. Which can be evil, of course. Still, Amascut wouldn't flip that much on a good/evil axis, but other things would. The result ranges from a slayer master that would purposely train more Buffys than Faiths to a mystery goddess ala the version of Kore that Peter Kinglsey will go on and on and on about.

[gorgonfondness]

"I didn't want to hurt you, Mia," Nash says, the menacing Mobile Magic Masher crackling with electricity. "I didn't want to hurt anyone. I did this all for you!"

"Nash..."

Mia steps closer to her friend and his towering armor. Then a smile he's never seen before spreads on her face.

"But I did want you to hurt them."

"Mia...?"

"You've done well," she continues, her fingers reaching up to stroke his cheek. "And I'll see to it that I'm personally in charge of your reward. But first we must bring our...friends...to their holding cell."

[newredshoes]

Oh gosh. Harry... fights for the king...? Because... loyalty is more important than honor? WHAT IS HAPPENING TO MY BRAIN.

[camwyn]

I can almost see it working, kinda, in an Usagi Yojimbo kind of way- if he can convince himself that his honor lies in upholding his word and offering good service to a bad master.

[awesome_binomial_theorems]

If Moriarty became a villain, he'd be a super-criminal who stays behind the scenes coordinating all of the crime in the country.

Easiest pup to do this for ever.

[saphyria]

*cackles*

"Man, someone should totally write this really cool AU! Oh wait."

[bjornwilde]

We got a hint of what evil Ben could be like with Angrir and Fear ITself. About the only difference I can imagine is evil Ben would be much craftier and not just looking to spread fear. I honestly don't know what his goals would be though, I guess he'd be a sort of Hulk.

Thalia working with Chronus is kind of scaring me as I think she has a potent ruthless streak that never gets truly exposed in canon.

Evil Val is really a bad idea. A mind greater than Doom and Reed who can teleport through time and space. *shudder* I imagine she would make 616 Doom quite proud (until she turned on him) and would rule a multi-dimensional empire.

Palamedes is neutral until he gets dragged into the conflict by his loyalty to his friends. I think a big reason for this is that his Elder has no interest in the machinations of the Dark or "Light" Elders nor in humanity, unless they are threatening his forests. If he were to turn dark, I can see Palamedes as a sort ecoterrorist whom cares nothing for individual lives.

Jessica would have killed and replaced Madame Hydra long ago. SHIELD, and the world, would have much greater difficulties with HYDRA as her she organized them into a more useful force.

We also get a hint of evil Hank with the Age fo Apocolypse world. Dark Beast is a true Dr. Moreau with no hint of ethics when it comes to science and experimenting on humans or mutants.

Andrea would be dead as the only way I can see her turning evil is if she goes loupe which means she's gone crazy and has to be put down. She takes a lot fo knights down with her.

[slayer_fray]

From an early age, Melaka Fray exhibited unequaled strength, speed, and fighting prowess. She took to the power naturally, and as they say, power corrupts. Mel grew up a dangerous, unchallenged bully, a nightmare for the older sister who raised her, and the personal tormentor of her less powerful brother.

But he was still devastated when they were fifteen, and Mel, running alone on the rooftops of the warren, disappeared, and later presumed dead.

Mel was indeed killed, by a vampire known as Icarus. But in killing her, he discovered something amazing, and turned her out of perverse curiosity. Now, she leads not just him, but all the lurks in Haddyn, against the attempts of her brother, who is armed only with the loyalty of his surviving sister, knowledge of the war between humans and demons that stretches back centuries, and the prophetic dreams that can sometimes be relied on to tell him her next move before she knows it herself.

[rowanberries]

*POINTS UPWARDS*

[interrogoiterum]

Renee Montoya was not a bent cop. She was never a bent cop.

She was that other, perhaps more dangerous thing: a cop so straight that she cracked with the effort.

It started in No Man's Land, when she was sent by a man she idolized to work with the murderous Two-Face. When her dealings with that criminal ended up with her and her family being kidnapped and held captive for months - and all because Jim Gordon sent her to strike a deal with the devil. During that time she started to crack, and to realize that perhaps Dent had a point with his desire for revenge on the people who broke him.

She watched as Harvey Dent killed Commissioner James Gordon for the crime of sending her to Two-Face.

There was nothing she could do, of course; no one blamed her for that. Everyone knows you can't reason with Two-Face. Renee watched Dent kill her friend and her mentor, because he forced her to. She was the victim; no one blamed her, and she was offered support from the force.

But something broke inside.

Renee became hard, violent, and began to lose her faith in the law for doing what was right. When Two-Face outed her, framed her for murder, and broke her out of prison, she accepted her place as an outcast, but not before firmly rejecting his advances - she is, after all, a lesbian. In the ensuing fight, out of spite, acid was involved - if he couldn't have her, no one would.

Unlike Harvey Dent, Renee didn't lose half her face, she lost all of it.

She never returned to Delia, or her family, or the GCPD. Renee Montoya gave up her old life, with all it's complications and struggles, and she became the Faceless.

At first, the GCPD were reluctant to go after the Faceless, because she had a habit of going after people who most of them agreed deserved what was coming to them: When Jim Corrigan walked free for the murder of Crispus Allen, it was the Faceless who hunted him down and killed him.

She was the Bat's problem, but the Bat was missing; he left Gotham for a year, and a new contender rose to take his place - a woman. This woman had personal history with the Renee, who was now under the tutelage of the Religion of Crime. She would soon rise to be its head, and would be there during the Final Crisis, leading Cain himself back onto the Earth.

[bjornwilde]

Okay, I have to admit I am serious creeped out by this. Well done!

[raptorcanaria]

On Earth Two, Larry Lance was a brave, if occasionally cocky, Private Investigator who became a close friend of the Black Canary, and through her, the Justice Society. On Earth One, he was a selfish, back stabbing mob informant. Don't ask how he ended up fathering a child by the Black Canary, it's best not to know.

The Justice Society taught Dinah Lance everything they knew about of parental adoration and the desire to protect her from harm in the changing world. Her mother, however, was decidedly relieved that her daughter showed no inclination to follow in her heroic footprints, and was happy to dedicate her life to the pure pursuit of her martial arts hobby.

Which is where is went wrong. Because without the drive for Heroism into which to pour her talents, Dinah cared for little except mastering not just Judo, but any fighting technique she could learn, just for the Hell of it. She learned everything she could from her uncles, then left home to study under Sensei Otomo, Richard Dragon and even the O-sensei. When she began to exhibit a superpower, she ignored and suppressed it, because it got in the way of the pure expression of her art. She was soon tempted by assassination and mercenary fighting just to earn a living wage while she worked.

Since the death of her mother, the assassin has been operating under the name Black Canary, to the fury of those uncles who are still alive to see their devoted niece become a callous, unfeeling assassin.

She is known as the woman who killed Lady Shiva, and who defeated Bronze Tiger and every single one of her former senseis in combat. Canary was for a long time widely considered not just the best martial artist in the world, but very likely unbeatable by anyone.

Now, the world waits for her perhaps inevitable return to Gotham, to face the daughter of the woman she murdered.

[souffle_girlek]

Ace a)took the job she was offered at the very beginning of her canon to become a murderer-for-hire, and started with that fluffy-haired girl from the diner, Mel (and then ran into a rather irate Doctor oops). b) She fell under Fenric's sway quite easily and became one of the bodies he uses to walk the ruined Earth, which was destroyed in the middle of WWII. The being known as the Doctor died attempting to prevent Fenric's rise. c) Ace fell to the Cheetah virus and could not be recalled, and when the planet broke up, she fled, leaving old friends behind. The Master took over the Earth in the mid-1990's, unopposed. .... Ace had quite a few opportunities to flip sides. :D

Katya is a Dark mage, behind a string of gristly ritualistic murders that the Russian police have been trying to solve for decades, and have attributed to some sort of cult or utterly deranged family unit. She is frequently targeted by the Night Watch.

Balthazar sold out Merlin to Morgana, because he was promised Veronica's affections (real or otherwise) once the world was under Morgana's control. He and Horvath have fought for control of the Grimhold and, subsequently, Morgana since that night, as Horvath searches the world for the Prime Merlinian.

Haymitch came to enjoy his time in Capitol - he was warm, he was fed, and people loved him - there was no scorn, the way there was in District 12. In time he stayed in the Capitol year-round with one of his more wealthy admirers, coming back to his home district only to be present at Reaping each year. Cato was the winner of the 49th Hunger Games, and Haymitch will most likely have a special TV interview during next year's 75th annual Hunger Games.

Glorfindel pledged allegiance early on to the sons of Feanor, and was present at every single kinslaying - he was said to be a particularly brutal warrior, that none could stand against. When he was slain, he refused to return to Mandos, and instead haunts the wild wastes, attempting to steal the body of an unwary traveler.

Shaz was a dirty cop, and was frequently paid off by car robbers on her beat to look the other way. She retired to Sussex after fifty years on the force. She has never met a man by the name of Gene Hunt.

McCoy is an abusive drunk, and was eventually brought up on charges of manslaughter and medical misconduct, but that's only because his wife was too afraid to press charges for abuse. He has never served in Star Fleet.

Oswin (Here be spoilers, though really, time's a-wastin', part 2 of 'Moffat, you are making this ridiculously complicated' is on Christmas!) did not resist when the insane Daleks converted her, instead organizing the scattered and leaderless crew into the efficient fighting force they could be (albeit an utterly mad one). They escaped the planet in under a month, and have since been systematically eradicating life across the universe. It's said that when the Dalek force first enters your planet's atmosphere, it's to the strains of Bizet's Carmen, but that could just be a rumor. No one's survived to say.

.... Um, bad things happen when my pups go evil.

[saphyria]

The alternate Balthazar (Balternate?) and Haymitch (Halternate?) make Sunshine in my head flail.

[misslucyjane]

Bilbo claims the Ring and becomes the king of the Shire (The King Under The Hill) which not only becomes industrialized but actively seeks to conquer the rest of Middle Earth.

Or he becomes another Gollum. Either way, eek.

Merlin, rather than inadvertently causing the fall of Camelot through his good intentions, actively works to keep Albion from uniting. Arthur dies young, at Merlin's hand rather than Mordred's.

Stuart would have cheated on his entrance exams, reported Hector's inappropriate behavior with the students, seduced and then betrayed Irwin, and never have come to terms with David's crush on him--or used it to his advantage.

He still would have become a tax lawyer, just a really, really crooked one, and retired young to someplace without an extradition treaty with the UK while his clients were still wondering what happened.

Steve would be the Red Skull, basically: convinced that he is superior to the rest of humanity and deserves to rule it. I'm sure the comics have done it at some point, given all those canonical alternative Earths.

Wow, that was kind of fun.

[newredshoes]

One of the earliest fic challenges I took part in (2002 or 2003, I think) was called the One Ring Project, which was all about what happened if various members of the LotR casts claimed the Ring. I wrote three, for Arwen, Gimli and Merry & Pippin. I wish the website that housed them all was still around! There were some really great stories there.

[a1enzo]

Hmm. Well, we've seen an alternate reality where Bob and Dot got nullified, Megabyte took over the system and made it a hellhole, and Enzo grew into a bad-news street punk. I wouldn't call that an outright villain, though.

As a sprite, I don't see how he could actually become a virus. (Granted, the opposite has happened, but that was unprecedented and anyway it was more complicated than that.) He could be a viral, though, and there have been sprites who went viral willingly. (He could also be a more ordinary criminal, but that's boring.)

So... little Enzo, having just started his after-school delivery service, accepts Megabyte's job offer. Rather than spilling the beans to Dot and Bob, he delivers the package to Hexadecimal himself. He narrowly escapes being blown up by the delete command, but finds the whole situation very exciting and reports back to Megabyte, who is cautiously impressed. Enzo becomes Megabyte's regular delivery (and, as he gets older, "delivery") service and fifth column.

[to_catch_a]

Corrupt and conquer. Doing just one or the other isn't the same.

[saphyria]

Zelgadiss never finds out about Rezo's secret experiments, and so never feels betrayed by him. Zel stays by Rezo's side, helps him defeat the upstart Lina Inverse and the swordsman Gourry Gabriev who've inadvertantly gotten the statue containing the Sorcerer's Stone... and then Rezo uses the Sorcerer's Stone to open his eyes, the Demon Lord Shabranigdo manifests, aaaaaand the world is screwed.

Yrael doesn't let go of his personal vendetta. At the critical moment, he takes the opportunity to turn on the Abhorsen and all of her kin, to revenge himself on them for the last two millenia of servitude, and then allies himself with Orannis against the Charter. Then Orannis destroys the Charter, the world, and Yrael himself. Damn.

Rae er... or rather Raven Blaise would be raised as the daughter of a sorcerer, proud of her heritage and well aware that she'll be powerful one day. But then the Wars happen, and all the Blaise clan are cut down or forced to disappear in one way or another, including Raven Blaise. A hundred years or so after the Wars end, the vampires stage a hostile takeover of the world, and vampirocracy is the name of the game. But the most tragic part is that Raven never develops Rae's skill with baking. :(


It's really a good thing none of my pups went evil.

[jothra]

I cracked up at the 'Damn'. Just like, WHOOPS, DESTROYED THE UNIVERSE THERE, SORRY EVERYONE.

[minkhollow]

Cata and Sam refuse to play this game. Cata's already lived it (though had it been her own choice rather than being whitewashed, she might've made a half-decent non-magical healer), and Sam... no. Largely because that implies his father taking an interest in his upbringing, and... no. No. With a side of no. And no for dessert.

If Claudia went full-on Bad Guy? She'd make MacPherson look like a saint.

Apollo has the temper that he could have tried overthrowing dear old Dad, had he found reason to, and the skillz to pull it off. The world was spared mostly thanks to his lack of interest in running the show (and, possibly, by Artemis telling him it would be a Bad Idea).

Imp would have knowingly given in to the music, rather than inadvertently.

This is actually... somewhat what I have in mind for Regulus as opposed to canon. He's never going to be on Dumbledore's side, because he sees that as fighting to maintain the status quo that got them into this mess in the first place, but he's already got a feeling that Bella's idea of fun would be bad for his long-term health. My plan is for the Christmas ghosts to drive that home.
I don't know just what that'll lead to. It might mean he gets the hell out of Britain for a while. It might mean getting pretty deep into politics with a 'fix the problems without killing the opposition' platform.

Red would have stayed with her mother and let Snow suffer the consequences.

[rymenhild]

I am bored and tired of grading, so, hi, back room, I'll try it despite not having played in ... far, far too long.

Fakir: Once I started writing the story of how, long, long after canon (read: after the duck dies), Fakir goes mad with grief and becomes an evil storyteller on the model of Drosselmeyer. I have fortunately not finished it.

Bran: When the Dark tempted him that day in the shepherd's cottage, through his anger at the Light and at Caradog Pritchard and at all three of his parents (at the moment he discovered who they all were), he fell. Bran Davies became a great Lord of the Dark. He won the tests of the Lost Land and claimed the sword Eirias with the help of hints from the Black Rider and Blodwen Rowlands. On the day when the Midsummer Tree rose tall, by Pendragon's sword, the Light did fall.

Bran never went home to humanity. He found a place in the mountains, and he drew the mists around himself, and he corrupted all who came near.

Owen Davies died alone.

[genarti]

So in spite of what I said the other day, I totally did spent entirely too much time in the last couple of days rereading old DiR threads.

And: ow.

[hadyougoing]

*eyes Ava*

*eyes Puck*

*eyes Aphrodite*

Oooh, um, Wendy!!

*eyes canon*

.... Canon did it already.

*eyes Ava again*

[alwaysfaithful]

*Cracks knuckles* I cannot for life of me make Zoey evil. Chris on the other hand...

Instead of being the shy and quiet Kamen Rider willing to die for his honor and beliefs, Chris accepts being a Rider for a completely different purpose. Sick of all the emotional abuse and pressure he gets from his father, he instead is cured of his asthma and begins hunting some of the other Riders. Without giving too much away, he's a cruel, torturous jerk with no loyalty but to himself.

[cantdiequiteyet]

This can't be done with Teresa, because I honestly don't know if you'd call her good or evil to start with!

If Teresa awakened, Clare would be dead and there wouldn't be much of a plot.

[jothra]

It's way too easy to think about Coyote going straight up evil. (I have a story plotted out in my head that I will never write.) The problem is, no one would notice that she'd slid across the moral spectrum until it was too late, since she'd act almost the same. Until she started killing people, that is.

Duo could have kept using the ZERO system, and eventually been warped into thinking everyone was an enemy. Or even earlier, he could have decided to go along with Operation Meteor, and decided the Earth did deserve to have a colony dropped on it. Either one would have made some big changes in the series...

Donatello...could have joined the Shredder...? This seems dubious at best. Don doesn't have the correct temperament to be a successful villain.

Ambriel could have switched sides at any point in time, and become a demon, or a fallen angel, or a servant of the Lone Power, whatever you want to call it. The biggest chance for that would have come at the end of Ambriel's failed mission, right before coming to Milliways. NO THANKS.

[hadyougoing]

Ambrieeeeeeel ;_____;

(Write the fic! JOIN ME IN THE DARKNESS.)

[always_the_moon]

Luna has been there, done that, and gotten the T-shirt. And by "T-shirt" we mean "thousand-year banishment to the moon."

[genarti]

Trowa is just a moral compass away from being a villain anyway. All it would take would be the same ruthlessness, the same manipulative tendencies, and no underlying concern for innocents and bystanders. (And this is why there are several people in Milliways Trowa gets along with well, understands pretty thoroughly, and does not trust an inch. He's well aware that if your worldview makes sense to him, he's not gonna trust you unless he also has clear indications of similar morality.)

River, too, just requires a moral compass flip. (And also has a lot of people she gets along with but doesn't trust, although with somewhat different dynamics than Trowa.) It's canon anyway that gunslingers have one foot in society and one foot in the vicious lawless outside, and it's only a combination of trained morality and careful self-control that keeps them on the side of the angels. River as a villain is basically an Operative working for herself.

Alternately: River never escaped from the Academy. Maybe Simon didn't get her messages, maybe he tried to break her out and failed and died or was imprisoned, but either way, River is a psychic assassin tool of the less savory sectors of her government. She does what she's told, and she's viciously effective, and then she goes back to her quarters and the doctors and the soothers and her fellow graduated students.

Regan... hmm. I mean, Regan would be a friendly, warm, polite, amoral backstabbing businesslady out for number one no matter who got hurt along the way. She and evil!Gabriel would make a hell of a power couple!

Thor as a supervillain would be kind of terrifying. (In the movieverse. In the comicsverse... uh, it's happened, and anyway the comicsverse has a vastly larger roster of both heroes and villains.) But he's basically indestructible, he can fly, he can electrocute anything he likes, he's got a terrible temper -- there's a reason he can face off against the Hulk. The only saving grace is that he's pretty easy to manipulate.

A lot of how this went down would depend on whether others of Asgard were fighting against him too, or if nobody cared -- whether this was a Thor-Loki swap, basically, or if the entirety of Asgard was evil or didn't care in the least if Midgard got smashed to bits. (You can make a case that Asgard doesn't particularly care anyway, although that's not how I play it, but in the movie they have a certain willingness to intercede low-level and to make up for what one of their own royal family has done.)

Clare would be an Awakened One. It's always a possibility hanging over every warrior's head; she comes close, a couple of times.

[jothra]

*sudden terrible realization*

Ambriel would help kill Clare if she Awakened.